The sabotage of obamacare begins.

[Klingsor]

It is really amazing that liberals still defend Obamacare. They just can't admit they are wrong. I wonder if they REALLY believe it or not. It is true mental illness.

I've never thought Obamacare was a perfect, or even adequate, long-term solution to U.S. healthcare problems. But it's benefited millions of people, myself included; that's indisputable.

I would be fine with replacing Obamacare--but not with something far worse, like all the Republican proposals so far.

 

[BULLDOG00]

Obama care was on the right track.

Obamacare took the very worst parts of socialized medicine and the free market and put it together in one shit sandwich. It was never on the right track.

 

[BULLDOG00]

I've never thought Obamacare was a perfect, or even adequate, long-term solution to U.S. healthcare problems. But its benefited millions of people, myself included; that's indisputable.

I would be fine with replacing Obamacare--but not with something far worse, like all the Republican proposals so far.

It also hurt millions of people, but for the most part I agree with your post.

 

[Industrialsize]

I am not interested in your life story. Just please get help with the drinking. I am sure the Australian health system covers treatment. Meanwhile, as Obamacare continues to fail and more and more people lose coverage, Americans can't get help because of a failed system and Democrat obstruction. We need a solution. Keeping Obamacare is NOT an answer.

Please tell us how the Senate Bill is the answer to the Nation's Healthcare. (That will be hard as you don't even know what's in it)

 

[BULLDOG00]

Please tell us how the Senate Bill is the answer to the Nation's Healthcare. (That will be hard as you don't even know what's in it)

It is not. It will only make marginal improvements if the Cruz amendments stay in the final bill. You keep assuming I agree with everything Republicans do.

 

[185248]

Obamacare took the very worst parts of socialized medicine and the free market and put it together in one shit sandwich. It was never on the right track.

How come the UK system is for the people, our Aus system is for the people. But the nation or President who sprukes it's "for the people, by the people", does not have one?

 

[Industrialsize]

It is not. It will only make marginal improvements if the Cruz amendments stay in the final bill. You keep assuming I agree with everything Republicans do.

How does the Cruz Amendment help with healthcare in the United States.

 

[BULLDOG00]

How come the UK system is for the people, our Aus system is for the people. But the nation who sprukes it's for the people, by the people, does not have one?

Ask Hillary Clinton. She fought against Medicare for all.

 

[185248]

Ask Hillary Clinton. She fought against Medicare for all.

I'm asking you. I'm not all that interested in links to others thoughts.

 

[BULLDOG00]

How does the Cruz Amendment help with healthcare in the United States.

The "Consumer Freedom Amendment" would leave existing ObamaCare plans on the individual market, while also allowing insurers to sell plans that don't comply with requirements of the Affordable Care Act.

"What that does — it leaves existing plans on the market but it gives new options so that people can purchase far more affordable health insurance. It will enable a lot more people to be able to afford buying health insurance," Cruz told The Hill on Thursday afternoon.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/339033-cruz-floats-amendment-to-senate-healthcare-bill

 

[BULLDOG00]

I'm asking you.

Democrats AND Republicans don't want such a system as they take too much money from the health insurers and medical industry.

 

[Klingsor]

Obamacare took the very worst parts of socialized medicine and the free market and put it together in one shit sandwich. It was never on the right track.

Partly because it was based on Republican ideas--Hatch, Grassley, and Lugar back in '93; The Heritage Foundation; Romneycare in Massachusetts.

Nevertheless, for all its faults, Obamacare has made significant advances in the availability and standards of US. healthcare--all of which is at risk under the current administration.

 

[185248]

Thanks bulldog. I remember that you said you were not a sole supporter of one party or the other.

We have been of late here catching politicians out of their financial backing. Especially from China.

Something I think should take place over there too.

You need to remember, us over here need to stay up late to converse with you guys over there.

 

[Klingsor]

The "Consumer Freedom Amendment" would leave existing ObamaCare plans on the individual market, while also allowing insurers to sell plans that don't comply with requirements of the Affordable Care Act.

"What that does — it leaves existing plans on the market but it gives new options so that people can purchase far more affordable health insurance. It will enable a lot more people to be able to afford buying health insurance," Cruz told The Hill on Thursday afternoon.

We need plans that don't cover anything. *Everyone* can afford those!

 

[Industrialsize]

The "Consumer Freedom Amendment" would leave existing ObamaCare plans on the individual market, while also allowing insurers to sell plans that don't comply with requirements of the Affordable Care Act.

"What that does — it leaves existing plans on the market but it gives new options so that people can purchase far more affordable health insurance. It will enable a lot more people to be able to afford buying health insurance," Cruz told The Hill on Thursday afternoon.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/339033-cruz-floats-amendment-to-senate-healthcare-bill

So it would divide the health risk pool into 2 parts, the healthy and the sick. The healthy would buy cheap insurance that doesn't cover anything. The sick would purchase ACA compliant plans. Separating the risk pool into 2 parts will cause a death spiral of the insurance market. Premiums would sky-rocket for who need ACA compliant plans. Also, the Senate bill requires continuous coverage of insurance, if you lapse, you need a 6 month waiting period to re-enter the insurance market. Tough luck for anyone who has one of Cruz's cheap plans. They don't count for continuous coverage. I don't expect you to understand a word of this as you've proven yourself to not know thing about any of Trump's policies.

 

[BULLDOG00]

So it would divide the health risk pool into 2 parts, the healthy and the sick. The healthy would buy cheap insurance that doesn't cover anything. The sick would purchase ACA compliant plans. Separating the risk pool into 2 parts will cause a death spiral of the insurance market. Premiums would sky-rocket for who need ACA compliant plans. Also, the Senate bill requires continuous coverage of insurance, if you lapse, you need a 6 month waiting period to re-enter the insurance market. Tough luck for anyone who has one of Cruz's cheap plans. They don't count for continuous coverage. I don't expect you to understand a word of this as you've proven yourself to not know thing about any of Trump's policies.

What is YOUR solution?

 

[Industrialsize]

What is YOUR solution?

Right now it's calling all of my elected representatives as well as Mitch Mconnell EVERY DAY to tell them not to pass the Senate bill and to work towards fixing the ACA by stabilizing the individual markets with a public option.

 

[185248]

What is YOUR solution?

It's what is "OUR" solution. No links to "THEIR" solution.

What would be a solution offered different from "THEM"

Forgive the capitals. Just that individual thought would be appreciated.

 

[BULLDOG00]

Right now it's calling all of my elected representatives as well as Mitch Mconnell EVERY DAY to tell them not to pass the Senate bill and to work towards fixing the ACA by stabilizing the individual markets with a public option.

So you agree that Obamacare is failed and must be replaced?

 

[Industrialsize]

So you agree that Obamacare is failed and must be replaced?

Don't put words in my mouth. I am not going to have a back and forth with you as you don't know beans about healthcare policy. I may as well be talking to my dining room table. You continuously only post "buzzwords" with no idea of the policies behind them.