The Senate race in Mass

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  1. swordfishME

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    The senate race is unexpectedly coming down to the wire.....

    Although I do personally believe that Coakley will beat Brown on Tuesday, what happens if Brown wins...... The health care bill will almost certainly be done for and I believe that most of Obama's agenda will go up in flames.
     
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    And I, for one, can only hope so. I'm just sorry I'm not a MA resident anymore so I can't place my vote for Scott Brown!
     
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    Oh, Taxachusetts. What a mystical commonwealth you are.
     
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    hell they elect porn stars in Europe here and there, brown could be the senates.
     
  5. Onslow

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    Come on Brown! It's up to you to kill off that insane and unjust heavy on the taxes joke of a health care bill!
     
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    Can you show me exactly where in the bill are unjust heavy taxes to be found?
     
  7. Onslow

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    Any increase in tax just to ram through a poor quality healthcare bill is unjust.

    From the Wall Street Journal: Nancy Pelosi's New Health-Care Bill - WSJ.com

    "Under another new tax, businesses would have to surrender 8% of their payroll to government if they don't offer insurance or pay at least 72.5% of their workers' premiums, which eat into wages. Such "play or pay" taxes always become "pay or pay" and will rise over time, with severe consequences for hiring, job creation and ultimately growth. While the U.S. already has one of the highest corporate income tax rates in the world, Democrats are on the way to creating a high structural unemployment rate, much as Europe has done by expanding its welfare states.
    Meanwhile, a tax equal to 2.5% of adjusted gross income will also be imposed on some 18 million people who CBO expects still won't buy insurance in 2019. Democrats could make this penalty even higher, but that is politically unacceptable, or they could make the subsidies even higher, but that would expose the (already ludicrous) illusion that ObamaCare will reduce the deficit"

    My understanding is also that insurance providers will not only be upping their premiums in part by passing along the new taxes which they will be subject to.

    Of course as the article also notes, Pelosi is willing to sacrifice seats of Democrats, she probably hadn't thought through the possibility that it miight happen before the bill was passed, which she had figured would happen before the new session began.
     
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    Not sure what this has to do with the Senate race, but "Taxachusetts" is more mythical than mystical. Do a google search for tax burdens by state - Mass is in the middle, not at the top:

    Local and State Tax Burden Maps | Newgeography.com
     
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    I don't put much stock for accuracy for OPINION pieces from the WAll Street Journal. You may as well quote Fox News.
     
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    Considering the corruption of the what has been termed the Kennedy machine, it will do whatever is necessary to ensure she is elected. I do wish for one enormous reason that Brown will win. It will shake up the stupid people already in Congress. Many moderates will get the clue that the public is mad as hell at the unending expansion of government, and the arrogance of politicians thinking they know what is best for us whether we want it or not.
     
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    generally when asked by their nation to give the ultimate sacrifice in time of war..the men and women of america will rally to the flag'; but when the conservatives of america are asked of their ultimate sacrifice to spend more taxes for the poor and provide better health care they cry ' hell no to tax raises '. typical.
     
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    You are a fool.
     
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    for expressing an opinion..way to go dipshit
     
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    It will be a pleasure to cast a vote in the election tomorrow, no matter what the outcome. the damage has already been done, any race in Mass. that has the kennedy "seat" close to being handed over to a republican has got to have the Libs shiteing their panties. A gay bussiness owner i know told me alot of gay,dem, libs he knows are voting for Mr. Brown. I think Coakley will take it by a small margin but so close the political atmosphere will change. I will vote for Brown, our State needs some Diversity of opinion in the capital. Diversity of Ideas=Only diversity that matters
     
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    I'm a dipshit just for expressing my opinion?! Way to go, cunt-casket!
     
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    Im flattered...imitating a remark made by a so called ' fool '. Way to go.
     
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    Yep, all we need is another Tea Party supporter in Congress like Scott Brown. Tea Party is a distinct, neo-conservative but loud minority in American politics, and Fox News would want you falsely believe that they represent the majority of Americans.

    If Scott Brown gets elected, Brown said he would vote against Health Care to give his GOP peers the filibuster to kill this much needed reform. Granted, the reform is far from perfect, but considering the sorry state of health care and the insurance industry that we have now, you have to admit it's a step in the right direction.

    And the GOP are in lockstep, like Rush Limbaugh, to kill progress in their country. But this should come to us as no surprise, since the new GOP is anti-progressive... they would be happy if they were able to roll the nation backwards in many socioeconomic respects to what our nation suffered through, in the early 20th and 19th centuries.

    If that happens, if the Tea Party takes over the GOP, the moderates in this country will find, among other things, that they and their children are getting their insurance claims rejected for getting sick, their taxes getting slightly lower but their bills and debts skyrocketing, there will be even less jobs, and there will be even more religious overtones, more legalized ethnic prejudice, and more institutionalized racial discrimination ... and in response, the people will go to the ballot boxes, and accelerate the trend in other states for Republicans to lose more elections.

    The Republicans, to get more votes, are openly siding with the wing-nuts. The American Public and the rest of the world sees this. I recall a few decades ago, that the GOP was much like the Dems in some positive ways. But something happened after 2002... I recall Barbara Bush warned her husband not to bring in the religious right into their election campaigns, but Bush and the Party needed more votes, so unfortunately, he did it anyway. The GOP opened their doors to the Bible-Thumpers, then the Neo-Cons were appointed into power on Wall Street by wealthy Clinton-Bashers, and they turned around and appointed their kind into bureaucratic power, in the private sector banking systems, of which opened the doors to even more political extremists. And they all brought with them their extremist ideas on how to run the nations' economy with an anti-science, pro-religion political bias, a lack of controls, and brought with them excessive de-regulation in critical industries where oversight was sorely needed. And we all know what happened to our economy after they did that, while their men, G.W. Bush and Cheney were in power.

    Now there's talk of the Tea Party taking over the Party of Lincoln. I predict if Scott Brown get elected, this tragedy will begin to come true on Capitol Hill. "Brown Shirts" taking over half of Congress. A politically and religiously extremist minority will be holding the reins of power in the GOP.

    But like any set of bad ideas and misguided, arrogant leadership that ruins innocent people's lives in the name of their ultra-extremist ideologies, the people -- and businesses -- will get tired of it -- and later, if democracy still exists for the common man and it hasn't been taken over by some bizarre, theocratic corporate culture of wealthy, ultra-right-wing Christians -- the people will vote them back out of power.

    But how to remove those extremists in the corporate boards of America or in government offices that weren't voted in, but appointed or promoted into semi-permanent positions of power by their extremist political peers... that will, and has already become, a real problem for America's moderates and America's diverse labor-force that are finding doors unjustly closed to them -- because of the politically-and-religiously-motivated prejudices of unqualified wing-nuts that are now in power in organizational hierarchies all over the nation.
     
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    Actually, it is a step in the wrong direction. The bill is such a conflict-laden, lobby-influenced piece of dung that it would set the industry back even further than it is now. The bill sucks. And it's going to be 1/6th of the federal budget. We have no recourse to fix the pile of shit once it passes we are stuck with it.

    The 19th century? What in the hell are you talking about?

    Please put the crackpipe down, walk away, and count to ten.

    You do realize that Barbara Bush is married to George Herman Bush, right? Also, what campaign was Bush running in 2002?

    This is the best part of your post. Who gets 'appointed' into power on Wall Street? Are you talking about CEO's?

    Who are these mysterious, wealthy 'Clinton-Bashers' that evidently placed bible thumpers in charge of Wall Street?

    Is this the fear/panic they are selling out there in Hollywood nowadays? That's some good solid Hollywood tabloid stuff.
     
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    Holy shit... you just ripped someone for citing the WSJ, and you funkin' are cut/pasting links from DAILY KOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ...there have been six polls of the Massachusetts Senate race released in the last 24 hours, five of which show Scott Brown with leads of 5 points, 7 points, 9 points, 10 points and 10 points, respectively. Only one poll shows the race tied. Hmmmm, whom would that be.

    Funny how a major newspaper (The Boston Globe) is being called out as a liberal outlet (no shocker with this poster) in this piece.

    It's not until five paragraphs later we learn that the poll the Globe is citing is from Daily Kos, along with a further bit of spin:
    The poll, done for the liberal Daily Kos blog by Research 2000, found Brown and Coakley tied, 48-48, which would be consistent with a raft of other polls that have suggested that Brown, until recently a little-known state senator, has made an extraordinarily strong run against Coakley, the state's attorney general.
    I'm sorry, but citing the most favorable poll by far for Coakley and suggesting that it is "consistent" with the other polls is such a blatant distortion of the current state of the race that the Globe should be ashamed of itself. That would assume, of course, that the Globe is interested in providing its readers with the truth as opposed to putting its thumb on the scale in favor of a preferred political candidate.
    Then again, people who get their political news solely from the Boston Globe are probably surprised to hear the race is a "dead heat" given that just eight days ago the Globe's own poll affirmed to readers that Martha Coakley was leading Scott Brown by 17 points while other pollsters had the race far closer ...



    Blah blah blah. Believe what you want to believe... post bullshit fear mongering links from the 'Kos.

    You're sweatin' bullets. Even more so, since Obama just did another one of his "grim reaper on death's door" moves by showing up the final day (a la Olympic bid style) to campaign for Coakley.

    In the meantime, keep bitching about Sarah Palin.

    We can only hope, as did Jets fans yesterday morning, that Brown help put an end to an agenda that doesn't fit our times.

    Best of luck to Mr Brown.

     

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