The Senate race in Mass

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And when we all wake up tomorrow, Democrats will still have the majority and Republicans will continue to be the party of no. At least now, they won't have to worry about not being able to use the filibuster, because that's precisely what they planned to do until they either gain the majority again or get Obama out of office.

All I have to say to that is... be careful what you say "no" to. Now, everyone is paying attention and taking notes.

This is so fucking tired. For every "no" vote cast by the minority republican party the past year, I'll show you a "no" vote from the minority Dems between 2004-2006. Its what minority parties do.
 

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That is true . BROWN didn't win as much as COAKLEY lost. As you said her campaign was abysmally handled . She needed to be handheld by the Democratic machine in MA but instead they took for granted the citizens of the commonwealth would be sane enough to elect her no matter considering the horrible opposition and they now pay for that egregious assumption !!!


HH

Yeah and Barack Obama didnt win as much as John McCain and the rebulicans Lost. Once you admit that one, we will entertain the other.
 

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Yes, I admit, it my roommate...she's in law school and she's helping me phrase my replies. (She's into aggressive debating, and it comes off as sort of masculine, don't you think?) She said you're such a Tea Bagger, 'starinvestor,' and you should give yourself an education by reading Article 1, Section 8, of the U.S. Constitution:

...and this is the reason why right-wingers like you think the U.S. Constitution is such an obstruction to fully implementing your self-righteous agenda. This is why you wing-nuts are sooo wanting to change it.

U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

BTW you dirty high school graduate, starinvestor...look me up when you get older, say, when you turn 21, then you can afford to take me out on a date without having to get the approval of your classmates, yes?

(And leave your magnum-sized "raincoats" behind, they're much, much too big for you).

;)
 

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... why it appears we've found another that needs to find out how to use the search function. It's nice to see that Fox is now a respected news source.

Your thread is a pile of half truths and stretched facts and figures. I read it the first time it appeared on this site. I read your drivel.

But this isn't about that, is it? You've been trying to get me kicked off this board for quite a while now. Baiting, antagonizing, inciting then running to the moderator. Yeah, I know you tattle like a 5 year old, it's ok. This is standard liberal operating procedure. If you can't beat their arguments then beat the person.

If I really wanted you banned, we wouldn't be having this er, um conversation... you're amusing. The good people all need some bad guys to rail against on this site, you'll do quite nicely.

As to your opinion: You think you're credible? I don't. I sincerely couldn't care less what you think should, or should not, be done; now or ever.
Tripod, I quit taking you seriously when you repeatedly posted hateful and racist comments. If you want to fess up to that then we'll talk about that in another thread. I guess we just have different opinions on what "civil" means.

I'm the hateful and racist one? lol!! I'll tell you what... I do have a lot of hate for evil men that let their sad little monkey brains do all of the thinking for them. I am against hate... so if you are filled with it? Then I have something for your sorry ass. Don't blame me because I took the good side and you are on the bad one. There is no valor in what you stand for, only the sad little confederate mind in the skull of a 21th century man.

I'm guessing that you know it isn't "civil" to post comments solely for the purpose of attacking me personally?

I was just pointing out that you are wrong, a debate if you will. It's called intelligent discourse, look it up.

DE___fucking___NIAL. Keep it up. please. Gonna love to see how you try and explain away the 8-9 senate seats the dems lose in November and the 30-40 they lose in the House. DEEEEEEEEENIAL.

SHE WAS A WEAK CANDIDATE... you are absolutely in DE-fucking-NIAL or are feigning ignorance. Use your head and some common sense, don't just repeat the crap that you hear from the right wing. I don't fucking read the left wing blogs, nor do I listen to Air America. I haven't drank the Democratic Kool-Aid... so I can actually think for myself. Every bit of footage I have seen of her on TV looked absolutely pitiful and her speeches were downright sad.

If you think that she was a strong candidate, then you are as delusional as the rest of the teabaggers, and that would also mean that you don't really know much about politics. I thought that you at least knew a little about it... maybe I was wrong?

You fucking WISH that she was a weak candidate so then you can feel good about the victory and feel that you will carry this momentum and sweep the 2010 elections. It's nothing more than a fantasy scenario though.

But, anything is possible... and nobody ever made it to the poorhouse underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
 

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I think you're being a touch extreme there but....

all I can say is I'm fed up with politics. My vote doesn't matter. My opinion will never be heard by the people that run our country. Things will always be the same as they have forever.

I voted for Obama. I'm not ashamed that I did. I am disappointed in him, along with every other democrat and republican. They have lost focus on the things that matter to the people of this country. They only serve the wealthy and corporations.

Its a shame that nothing can really be done, because as soon as a good person gets elected to any office of the government in D.C., they turn into greedy money hungry morons.
Well you got thrown a loop by Obamas great speeches like most everyone else. The one thing to remember: How did he get to where he is at such a young age? Answer: by playing the politics game better than anyone else. He's a politician, plain and simple. You don't get ahead in politics by playing anything but the status quo. Now the people are learning that he's just another politician, but one that has 'star quality'. FWIW, he's doing an average job in my book. Could be worse I suppose. I'm really fed up with the status quo in the USA. It's time for a third party to stir the pot.
 

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The animosity in this thread needs to be significantly turned down. I would voice my opinion, but I would just be shown how I am wrong. As for the people yelling and cussing: do you realize your over-the-top shouting match is a mirror-image of the lack of bipartisanship you complain about? It seems as though you want the House and Senate to listen to one another, but you're not willing to do so at a non-political website?

No, I don't want anybody to listen. I want motherfuckers to start pulling out guns and start shooting each other. I want heaps of dead democrats and republicans.

When that took place there were no bail outs and the unemployment rate then and financial ruin was far worse.

Yes, let's read history again, shall we? FDR instituted massive programs, the depression did not end. The only thing that got us out was WW II.

Studying history is useless, if you only take the shallow high school version of it. It's even more useless if you assume that people aren't going to take their high school understandings, and use that to try and fix the situation. Our leaders/congress/president have about as much understanding of history as you do, and the lobbyists who control them couldn't care fuck all about history. Multinational corproations, and the banks that own them, don't need America to pull out of this... in fact, the more debt, the better... because under the fractional reserve system, money is created from debt.


you are absolutely in DE-fucking-NIAL

No, you are in denial. The Republicans are going to stomp the democrats faces on the curb, because the democrats are in power right now, that means they are perceived to be the ones who are supposed to be fixing the economic mess. If the mess gets worse, anti-incumbency will rise. That's reality. Sorry, Americans get dumber by the day. That's reality.

But, wait, maybe the democratic base could come forward, and save yoru beloved party's power!!

Ope, nope. Obama, and the democrats have not done a god damned thing, but argue about healthcare for a whole god damned year! No end in sight in Iraq, escalation in Afghanistan. What about the economy? Oh, we got a worthless pork bill passed. Again, I ask, where is the clean energy apollo project? Why aren't we building any bridges? How abotu just a couple of massive public works projects? A dream... a vision. If we are gonna spend $700 billion on a stimulus, let's do something amazing! Nope, no real infrastructure.

China just finsihed a thousand mile long high speed rail system, they will soon finish the three gorges damn. What has America done lately? And where the fuck is that freedom tower anyways?

Do you think the socialist types on the left, haven't noticed Obama packed his cabinet with bankers?

Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

---George Orwell's Animal Farm
 

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Yes, I admit, it my roommate...she's in law school and she's helping me phrase my replies. (She's into aggressive debating, and it comes off as sort of masculine, don't you think?) She said you're such a Tea Bagger, 'starinvestor,' and you should give yourself an education by reading Article 1, Section 8, of the U.S. Constitution:

...and this is the reason why right-wingers like you think the U.S. Constitution is such an obstruction to fully implementing your self-righteous agenda. This is why you wing-nuts are sooo wanting to change it.

U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

BTW you dirty high school graduate, starinvestor...look me up when you get older, say, when you turn 21, then you can afford to take me out on a date without having to get the approval of your classmates, yes?

(And leave your magnum-sized "raincoats" behind, they're much, much too big for you).

;)

Please tell your 'roommate' thank you!:rolleyes:

I'm quite familiar with Article I. However, I haven't a clue what you are implying. I have said nothing here that refutes anything in Article I. If you feel otherwise - please point it out. In fact, anything I have suggested is a ringing endorsement of your link.

Or perhaps, tell your 'roomate' I hope she doesn't pursue constitutional law. 'She' should probably look into personal injury, where most blind liberals end up - shaking down companies for tens of millions of dollars.
 

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No, I don't want anybody to listen. I want motherfuckers to start pulling out guns and start shooting each other. I want heaps of dead democrats and republicans.

I hate Republicans and conservatives with a passion, but the bottom line is that if they were trapped in a burning building that I would risk my life to go in and save them. They are my American brothers and sisters and they do not deserve to die because they have a wrong way of thinking. Neither do I.

You're an inherently bitter man New End, I think that you are a brilliant man, but boy do you have a fucking mean streak a mile long.
 

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This could turn out to be a blessing in disguise for the Democrats........

They have been warned and now have 10 1/2 months to get their shit together and prove to the country that they are worth keeping in power. If they can't or won't than it is not to far fetched to see Pelosi lose re-election in her ultra-liberal San Francisco district.
 

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This could turn out to be a blessing in disguise for the Democrats........

They have been warned and now have 10 1/2 months to get their shit together and prove to the country that they are worth keeping in power. If they can't or won't than it is not to far fetched to see Pelosi lose re-election in her ultra-liberal San Francisco district.

Yep, if they don't get their act together, they do not deserve to govern.
 

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This is so fucking tired.

Actually, watching a bunch of goofballs beat their chest over remaining a minority is the tired thing. Amazing how some people can be proud to still be on the low end of the totem pole.

Forty-one! Forty-one! Forty-one! Forty-one! :rolleyes:
YAWN... wake me when you're done cheering for being on the bottom... STILL.

Let's get real,
All Republicans gained last night was more leverage to block legislation. They still remain a minority in the Senate as well as the House. With 59 seats, Democrats will find it practically impossible to pass a vote without the looming threat of a filibuster because that has been the underlaying political game plan of Conservatives since Obama took office. Why else would there be so much talk about 60 votes when all you really need to pass a bill is have a majority vote of 51? Filibustering, before the current Congress took the reigns, was something that rarely happened. Now, it's par for the course.

Republicans also find themselves moving further towards the fringe. Reaching out to the teabaggers as well as the birthers and other fringe groups is the only way they have maintained some kind of voice over the last year.

As for reaching out to independents? It's amazing how someone can run under the Republican ticket, vote 96% of the time on the Republican side, but still say he's an independent and use a silly catchphrase like, "The People's Seat" and rally up so much hype. I send out a call to the real independents out there... where are you?

For every "no" vote cast by the minority republican party the past year, I'll show you a "no" vote from the minority Dems between 2004-2006. Its what minority parties do.

More disingenuous BS.
It's already been well documented that the current Congress, with Republicans in the minority, has experienced more filibusters than any other Congress in our history. That goes way beyond a simple "no" vote. Welcome to 2010. It also further illustrates the game plan of Republicans from the very beginning... to be the party of opposition. To be the party of "no". And sadly, that's all the Republicans got right now, along with the pandering to fringe groups. Too bad your rabid disdain for "liberals" prevent you from seeing that.

In the end, it could mean a rough time in 2010 for Democrats and there's a good possibility that 5 seats could be in jeopardy come election time in November. But let's get real... what Republicans are really after is the White House. To continue "winning" in this fashion further pushes them closer to the fringes and further paints the party as one that freely embraces hate. I just hope that all of the die-hard conservatives have been taking notes, because it's going to be a LOOOOOOOONG campaign in 2012.
 

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I live in Massachusetts and am so glad the election is over. It has been impossible to watch TV. It was competing TV ads 24/7. The phone never stopped ringing with robo calls from both sides. I'm sure it's no secret that I am disappointed in the outcome, but I saw it coming months ago. I did not vote for Martha Coackley in the primary because I thought she couldn't win. I voted for Congressman Capuano who, I believe, would have won in a landslide. He is a populist, left of center Democrat who represents parts of South Boston, and Cambridge. He is a very popular "man of the people" who is great on the stump:
Here he is in action at a House Finance Committee meeting showing that he understands the "anger" bubbling up in the USA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKD2kVMuugA

People in this State have been very split on Martha Coackley for awhile. She rubbed a lot of people the wrong way in her handling of 2 trials. One was the Fells Acres child abuse case where she kept one of the defendants in jail Long after it was clear that no abuse had taken place. The other was the Louise Woodward baby nanny case which many people say she prosecuted with too much zeal. In fact at the sentencing, the judge threw out the verdict, reduced the crime from murder to manslaughter, sentenced Louise to time served and let her free. People have long memories.

Martha Coakley was the wrong candidate for the wrong time. Mike Capuano would have run on almost exactly the same policies and would have won in a landslide.

OK I'm done playing amateur pundit.
 
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Right here, watching with an expression of abject disgust and an ever-increasing sense of hopelessness.

Hazel

Should'nt an independent be somewhat happy with the results?

This changes the game and somewhat ensures that a middle of the road political ideology will have to be adopted to govern.
 

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I'm also wondering, is this filling of the seat by Brown anything more than just until November? I know Kennedy first got in back in 1962 although that was to fill the slot left empty by his brother so only a partial term running to 1964. He was most recently re-elected in 2006, so is Brown there until 2012 or just until this November? I honestly don't know how these fill-in spots work in the Senate, are they for the remainder of year term or only until the next even numbered year(Senate and Congressional race years)?

Either way, the Dems could manage to move forward with this, getting a solid candidate in there and capitalizing on how little Brown ends up doing or on how he hinders the Senate~~if indeed he does hinder, which is yet to be seen.
 

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I'm also wondering, is this filling of the seat by Brown anything more than just until November? I know Kennedy first got in back in 1962 although that was to fill the slot left empty by his brother so only a partial term running to 1964. He was most recently re-elected in 2006, so is Brown there until 2012 or just until this November? I honestly don't know how these fill-in spots work in the Senate, are they for the remainder of year term or only until the next even numbered year(Senate and Congressional race years)?

Either way, the Dems could manage to move forward with this, getting a solid candidate in there and capitalizing on how little Brown ends up doing or on how he hinders the Senate~~if indeed he does hinder, which is yet to be seen.
It was an election to fill the final 2 years on Senator Kennedy's term. There will be a new election in 2012.
 

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Vinylboy you need to get real. It's a case of tit for tat. When the opposing party was no longer in control of Congress, they acted like children that didn't want to play anymore because they didn't win. It's nothing more than tit for tat. People who truly care more about the country than stupid political parties and fantasy ideas are sick and tired of both sides. Sheesh. Where is a good independent freedom party when you need it?
I am still amazed at those on this site who slam people who believe in a diety but worship their political party. :doh:
 

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It was an election to fill the final 2 years on Senator Kennedy's term. There will be a new election in 2012.
Which makes it even more curious. I believe Gillibrand, the replacement for Hillary Clinton is scheduled to run this year, and Clinton's second term would also have concluded in 2012. Are the rules different in cases of death? That just doesn't seem right. And why is a Governor allowed~~New York and Illinois to appoint a replacement when a Senator {Clinton and Obama} leave for other positions but in the case of death thye aren't? Or is this related to some sort of bylaw relating to Massachusetts being a Commonwealth, not a State {and what the difference is between those, I won't ask, I will go research them}
 

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I hate Republicans and conservatives with a passion, but the bottom line is that if they were trapped in a burning building that I would risk my life to go in and save them. They are my American brothers and sisters and they do not deserve to die because they have a wrong way of thinking. Neither do I.

You're an inherently bitter man New End, I think that you are a brilliant man, but boy do you have a fucking mean streak a mile long.

You watch. I have spent enough of my time warning about all the shit that has happened, and will happen. The days of peace, love, joy, and America is too busy making money to get dragged into war, are over.

And I'm bitter because no matter what, you can count on one thing, America enslaving the world, killing the world, and patting itself on the back like it dun did a good thang.
They are my American brothers and sisters and they do not deserve to die because they have a wrong way of thinking. Neither do I.
My brothers and sisters are all over the world not just here in America, and they never deserved to die. Yet America keeps stuffing it's fat face with hot pockets while watching my worldwide oppressed and destitute brothers and sisters get murdered in green and black night vision on tee vee, never getting to see the real red blood that every bomb and bullet is spilling. It's all a wonderful movie to them where the good guy always wins.

To me, every Iraq soldier defending his country from invaders was a courageous hero, died a hero's death, and worth 1,000 pig Americans whose only goal in life is to get on American Idol. Yeah, that's right, I said it. Same with the Taleban. Yeah, I said it. A man that stands up and fights off foreign invaders from halfway across the world is worth 1000 politicians jabbering their useless tongues in congress.

Plus, the Sicilian in my blood doesn't appreciate rich assholes stealing from me so they can by more yachts. I wasn't born with balls just to let them get kicked by rich old white guys who can't stand the thought of having to give up their $8,000 a month golf club membership.
 
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