The Senate race in Mass

[tripod]

"The next time you get hurt, or get very ill, or your house catches fire for some reason, or if you become a victim of a crime and you've been mugged, assaulted or beaten up and robbed, don't bother asking anyone for help. Don't call the police for help, don't call the fire department."

Comparing this to healthcare is ludicrous. There are two kinds of firefighting. Not fighting it an fighting it. It's not exactly an intricate business that requires intensive debate over what should and should not be provided by the government to ensure the best balance of protection and personal liberty.

Fighting fires and fighting cancer are EXTREMELY similar noble endeavors that are a GODDAMN SERVICE to society. Are you saying that firemen and police officers don't provide a valuable serve that enhances the life of Americans via our tax dollars? Why should the business of fighting cancer be any less necessary than fighting chemical fires?

One can easily decide that a line can be drawn which includes fire and police as legitimate infringements on personal liberty for the greater good and find that government run health care is less efficient than allowing the private sector the liberty to do it itself. This is not saying I condone either, I am just refuting your strawman.

The comparison is legitimate.

The immune system FIGHTS bacteria, viruses and pathogens just like the police fight crime. May I remind you of your college biology classes and the inner workings of the immune system? I assume that you are highly educated, much more than I...

The bodies immune system are our body's first responder units... hell the arteries fight nicks and tears in their arterial walls by applying cholesterol like drywall mud to plug them up (The good cholesterol is excellent and smooth spackle and the bad cholesterol is chunky and does not provide a good patch leading to some of it breaking off and traveling through your blood stream until is settles, potentially building into a blockage that could lead to a stroke or a heart attack). The human body is CONSTANTLY fighting for life.

The private sector in America has proven time and time again that it CANNOT EFFICIENTLY provide quality healthcare at a price that will not bankrupt middle and lower class Americans. Why is this news to you?

By your logic we should have privatized fire fighting and privatized security, we already have public emergency services that feature crippling costs for the middle and lower classes... an ambulance ride to the hospital for an uninsured person could set them back financially for months and could upset their delicate financial situation leading to a possible bankruptcy.

But you have insurance and don't give a FUCK whether any one else has it. Thousands of people die every year because they don't simply have health insurance. But those deaths fit in right with your conservative dystopia right? The poor should die right?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

"The next time you get hurt, or get very ill, or your house catches fire for some reason, or if you become a victim of a crime and you've been mugged, assaulted or beaten up and robbed, don't bother asking anyone for help. Don't call the police for help, don't call the fire department.

Hate to say this, but that happens more than you know... especially in the 'hood. It's an unfortunate way of life for some people. You think Public Enemy was kidding when they made "911 is a Joke"?

 

[naughty]

This man is unbelievable he is already in DC and doing a victory lap around the senate. THough many see him a the Lancelot of the people I really am seeing a self service that may not bode well... They are virtually panting in anticipation of him as an option for the White House somewhere down the line. I agree the other candidate was not up to snuff but there is something about this man that gives me the chills....

 

[Qua]

Sigh....I said right in that paragraph that I was making no claim to whether I approve of health care reform or not. I DO.

It was a strawman argument used to make you all belittle someone unjustifiably. Please read what I have to say. This happened once before, ignoring my argument and latching onto an out of proportion example.

And....Tripod...NO WHERE did my logic suggest that we should privatize fire and police service...how the hell did you reach that conclusion? I was saying no more than calling out an argument based on trite talking points that was being used to internet bully someone by ironically claiming them to be a cliched lapdog of the right.

I was bullying a bully. Nothing more.

 

[tripod]

Sigh....I said right in that paragraph that I was making no claim to whether I approve of health care reform or not. I DO.

It was a strawman argument used to make you all belittle someone unjustifiably. Please read what I have to say. This happened once before, ignoring my argument and latching onto an out of proportion example.

And....Tripod...NO WHERE did my logic suggest that we should privatize fire and police service...how the hell did you reach that conclusion? I was saying no more than calling out an argument based on trite talking points that was being used to internet bully someone by ironically claiming them to be a cliched lapdog of the right.

Number one, Strawmen are tools of obfuscation and confusion, and lo and behold, you confused me...

I was just saying that why should the health care sector be any different than the fireman and the police... didn't mean to imply that you think that they should be privatized.

I was bullying a bully. Nothing more.

Shiznick is a bully? I didn't know that.

Sorry to misinterpret your words Qua, I just basically choose paragraphs and statements to debate here on this site... I tend to take people pretty seriously. Forgive me if I don't fully understand your Yoda-like ways. Maybe you're just too smart for us earthlings...

 

[Qua]

Yeah it was an obscure post, I'll definitely give you that. That's what you get when I'm up at 5am.


I suppose bully was the wrong word. Internet strong(wo)man is more correct. And yeah, I responded by doing the same thing. It's a game anyone can play.

My argument wasn't a strawman, Shiz's was. Sorry, I was not clear about that at all.

She suggested that someone needed to take a college level poli sci course, and proceeded to attack him by raising strawmen, employing ad hominem and suggesting things the poster had not said. She accused him of using Rush/fox/etc for his talking points and then used the same trite strawmen examples democrats use regarding "socialism." It was base and really only useful for gathering support amongst those who would support her anyways.

I only listed my credentials as a response to the vapid, asinine suggestions that her target wasn't bright, hadn't taken a poli sci course or read the constitution. It was a simple ante upper to her internet tough guy stance.

The tone of her post was incredibly asinine, and I saw fit to poke it full of holes to demonstrate that the condescending tone was completely unjustified. Especially the military strawman...that was wonderfully ironic given that she accused her target of a lack of poli sci knowledge.

 

[deleted3782]

Who'd of thought that Jesse Helms' North Carolina senate seat would be held by a female democrat, and Kennedy's Massachusetts seat held by a republican?

When I was a kid they were such bitter rivals. Someone once asked Jesse when he would retire from politics and his reply was "the day after Ted Kennedy retires". In the end, he retired and then passed away a year before Kennedy did.

Such dramatic change. This is truely a sign that I am getting old.

 

[HUNGHUGE11X7]

Admittedly I knew NOTHING about BROWN before this week , only in name. I saw no reason to cause I never thought MA would be so damn stupid as to elect a fascist teabagger.... BUT then I did research, unlike so many neo-cons on here who hear REPUGNICAN and give an automatic stamp of approval .
I discovered while BROWN is Anti-Big Govenment and fiscally conservative he is also SOCLIALLY LIBERAL. He is pro-choice (GASP) , He doesn't believe in legalizing gay marriage nationally but believes it should be a state decision but opposes a ban or a constitutional ammendment banning same sex marriage .
Those two things are ANTI-TEABAGGER, so HOW did he get the support of the racist fascist teabagging homophobes ?


HH

 

[Qua]

Please shut up. That was the most idiotic thing I've ever read.

I'm fucking tired of this board if anyone hasn't noticed. And that post pretty much sums up why.

And shiz....are you gonna call him out on not understanding what the word fascist means? Didn't think so.

 

[BF2K]

OK, all of you "progressives" can climb back in your holes now - what happened in MA is a "revolution", the people want their power back - fuck the GOP AND the Dems. This is OUR country and not a fiefdom of Washington, DC!!

 

[B_VinylBoy]

OK, all of you "progressives" can climb back in your holes now - what happened in MA is a "revolution"

Yes, they put a stripper in Congress.
Even as a temporary "red state", it's more progressive than most.

the people want their power back - fuck the GOP AND the Dems. This is OUR country and not a fiefdom of Washington, DC!!

You can screw that, "this is OUR country" nonsense. That's a tightrope you don't want to walk on, unless you want to suggest that our country only belongs to people who think like you.

Also, BTW... Obama still maintains a high approval rate in Massachusetts. I guess in your midst of celebrating, you forgot to read all of the signs.

 

[B_Enough_for_Me]

My most anticipated reply from you was to somehow defend Obama and claim he was being transparent.

Have you seen the compilation yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyA2oNivEok

He promises CSPAN coverage at least 8 times. Now, maybe it is not his place to make these decisions for the Congress... but then, he should have educated himself and not made promises that he had no reasonable way of keeping. Oh, but wait, he was again, either being 1) willfully deceitful or 2) stupid.


PS. We only need 41 to kill the socialist agenda. :nana:

HA! that is awsome.

 

[BF2K]

Yes, they put a stripper in Congress.
Even as a temporary "red state", it's more progressive than most.



You can screw that, "this is OUR country" nonsense. That's a tightrope you don't want to walk on, unless you want to suggest that our country only belongs to people who think like you.

Also, BTW... Obama still maintains a high approval rate in Massachusetts. I guess in your midst of celebrating, you forgot to read all of the signs.

"We the People..." the first three words in the preamble of the US Constitution. It doesn't read "We the Democrats..." or "We the Republicans.." it says, "We the People..."

 

[B_VinylBoy]

"We the People..." the first three words in the preamble of the US Constitution. It doesn't read "We the Democrats..." or "We the Republicans.." it says, "We the People..."

I had no idea that your class is this far along in your 2nd Grade History course! Good for you!!! Have a gold star and a cookie!!!

Keep in mind, the first three words don't say "We the idiots", either... but we'll still let you speak once in a while.