The State of Israel should be dismantled...

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  1. B_RedDude

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    and a single state created for and governed by both Palestinians and Jews.

    That would force them to get along.
     
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    and HOW would that work if they can't even live side by side? Seriously!
     
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    Uhuh. While your at it, put the Clintons and Obamas in the same house. Oh shit, that will happen in a few weeks.
     
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    No idea but it will probably be better than the parochial selfish CLUSTERF*CK than the "Bush" presidency was....hope all you selfish bastards made all the "HE!HE!- I'm the decider" money you could because that stupid loser is going RIGHT BACK to where he belongs...TEXAS!:biggrin1: We should have given you dicks to Mexico when we had the chance! F*ck the ALAMO!:biggrin1::tongue::redface:
     
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    i love texans
     
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    Aren't there already Arabs that live and work and are citizens of Israel? :cool: About 20% of the population in fact! :eek:

    Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Point to ponder, Israel and Pakistan are the only 2 nations created exclusively based on religion.:confused:
     
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    My experience is that they're pretty enthusiastic sex!
     
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    Seems like they will have to come to something like that eventually.
     
  9. Jason

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    The solution in Northern Ireland has been to create an assembly with the membership so constructed that both Unionists and Republicans have real power and there must be agreement for policies.

    Of course a prerequisite was that on the Republican side Sinn Fein IRA had to agree to a cessation of terrorist murder. Even so the Northern Ireland assembly has been suspended for much of its life as group of Sinn Fein IRA were caught plotting to murder their Unionist colleagues. Anyway the assembly functions under the umbrella of a politically stable United Kingdom, and with a lot of support from outside the UK, including Ireland and the USA.

    It is an interesting model, and with lots of reservations does more or less seem to be working. There aren't bombs going off in Northern Ireland, and there is an economic renaissance in Belfast. But the idea of Jews and Arabs in the Holy Land making such a thing work is at the moment far fetched. A starting point would have to be a complete cessation of violence and disarming by Hamas. Then there would have to be real will by the peoples of both sides to make it work.

    The two-state solution seems much simpler. I have wondered if a three-state solution would be even simpler - and therefore more likely to work.
     
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    America would never let that happen. Israel is America's power trip and gateway to the middle east...ever played Risk?
     
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    who saaid we wanted bush back in texas he really belongs in Connecticut where he came from in the first place. headline in the dallas paper ''BUSH'S BUY HOUSE IN PRESTON HALLOW IQ FOR AREA DROPS 40 POINTS.''
     
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    were that it were that easy
     
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    I think it was a valid point.

    The Jews fleeing Europe moved into what was then known as palestine to 'reclaim" their Jewish homeland...

    And, aside from the fact the Zionists embarked upon a campaign of terrorist bombing to try and force the British out... they got along fairly well with the Muslim population.

    But their massive historical mistake was in making their nation a JEWISH state.

    IF they had kicked out the British and formed a SECULAR state in which the Muslim population had an equal voice, NONE of this shit of the last 50 years would have happened.

    Moreover... given that America's One great accomplishment was the realization that church should have NOTHING to do with state, the U.S.'s blind endorsement of Israel's Non-representative government seems contradictory to the values the U.S has traditionally stood for.

    When 20 to 30% of your people, of your workforce, have ZERO representation in government... you will never know peace.
    When One religion has access to power denied all others... you will never have equality nor true freedom.
     
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    When Palestine was partitioned, only one of the sixteen administrative regions had a Jewish population majority and Arabs owned 87% of the cultivateable land. Given these facts you might not be so surprised that the Arab World did not think that they were getting such a good deal in getting half.
     
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    x704, many Jews consider themselves a race more than a religion. Hitler made his claims against them as racist claims not religious discrimination. Israel was created to give Jews a homeland to live in without political persecution. The problem is the United Nations created them but didn't back them up with anything more than words.
     
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    Actually the British were instrumental in creating them a "homeland" and one of the biggest problems is/was that those who took it actually wanted Eretz Yisrael rather than the land that was portioned. The British also left the Palestinians mostly unarmed and disorganised whilst the Jews were well organised and well armed.
     
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    The British played a large role but the United Nations was the one to formally recognize their existence. I still don't understand how anyone could think you could remove people from their land, and expect them to live in peace with the new owners.
     
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    It's like anything of this sort.
    We have the actions of the extremists shoved into our line of sight, make judgements based on very limited interpretations and don't realize that the majority of those involved live peaceably day-to-day. Even if they have harsh beliefs, most don't actually act on them. So we are left with the "news makers" and the "news rakers."
     
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    U.S. support for Israel is a huge unrecognized black mark on its foreign policy.

    Besides, one has to wonder, from a practical point of view, what strategic advantage does this support give the U.S.? Is having Muslims hate us a strategic advantage?

     
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    If the democrats and republicans cannot get along here how do you expect the Palestinians and Jews to get along there?
     
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