The State of Political Dissent in America

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The USA a totalitarian fascist state

oh please.

There are valid criticisms to be made of the government in this country, of the current administration, of the police, of the military, of the corporations headquartered here...

but every time someone resorts to calling us a totalitarian fascist state or calling Bush Hitler or comparing the Republicans or Democrats to the Nazi party in Germany (and both comparisons, sadly, have been made more than once)... they make themselves seem like complete boobs. Read a history book. The USA has its problems, but it is NOTHING like Nazi Germany in the 1930s, which was a true totalitarian fascist state. We are not even remotely close. Argue with me on this point and I promise I will make you look like an idiot.
 

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oh please.

There are valid criticisms to be made of the government in this country, of the current administration, of the police, of the military, of the corporations headquartered here...

but every time someone resorts to calling us a totalitarian fascist state or calling Bush Hitler or comparing the Republicans or Democrats to the Nazi party in Germany (and both comparisons, sadly, have been made more than once)... they make themselves seem like complete boobs. Read a history book. The USA has its problems, but it is NOTHING like Nazi Germany in the 1930s, which was a true totalitarian fascist state. We are not even remotely close. Argue with me on this point and I promise I will make you look like an idiot.

Am I saying that Bush is Hitler? Ok Prescott Bush supported Hitler in his claim to faim and GW Bush might have a few swastikas, a Mein Kampf and a picture of Hitler stashed away in the White House, but yeah I would say the power behind the power in the White House(regardless if it's Republican or Democrat) resembles a totalitarian fascist state.

Sure Hitler came at a time when radio, pictures and (tv?) were up and coming. So he was one of the first that could make proper use of these media for indoctrinating the masses. But he obviously wasn't the only one.
But I would say a totalitarian power would still rely on these media.
And as Chomsky said:"Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media."

And it should be called fascist, coz as the first modern fascist(mussolini)said on this Fascism it is the merger of state and corporate power.
And looking at Iraq, I'm sure some examples of this can be given.
 

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Am I saying that Bush is Hitler? Ok Prescott Bush supported Hitler in his claim to faim and GW Bush might have a few swastikas, a Mein Kampf and a picture of Hitler stashed away in the White House, but yeah I would say the power behind the power in the White House(regardless if it's Republican or Democrat) resembles a totalitarian fascist state.

Sure Hitler came at a time when radio, pictures and (tv?) were up and coming. So he was one of the first that could make proper use of these media for indoctrinating the masses. But he obviously wasn't the only one.
But I would say a totalitarian power would still rely on these media.
And as Chomsky said:"Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media."

And it should be called fascist, coz as the first modern fascist(mussolini)said on this Fascism it is the merger of state and corporate power.
And looking at Iraq, I'm sure some examples of this can be given.

I'll give you that the current political climate in America does bear some strong resemblances to fascism, but the US is still NOT a totalitarian state. You didn't equate Bush to Hitler, I was just saying that this would be a similarly qualified comparison. The USA today = a totalitarian fascist state is as strong an argument as George W Bush = Adolf Hitler, and both arguments typically get made by the same people around the same time.

Anyway, if we were a totalitarian state then the Democratic party would have been disbanded by now. Hitler turned Germany into a one-party state two months after becoming Chancellor. Can you imagine that happening in the US? As much as the Republicans might try to marginalize the opposition party, that didn't stop the Dems from retaking Congress during the last midterms. If this were a totalitarian state that would not have happened.
 

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NIC is right, Bush is way too dumb to be compared to Hitler.

The only thing that footage provesd to me was either

A - American police/security forces are as scared as the population about nothing

or

B - They're just plain soft. It took seven of them and a taser gun to subdue one rowdy uni student? Please!
 

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I'll give you that the current political climate in America does bear some strong resemblances to fascism, but the US is still NOT a totalitarian state. You didn't equate Bush to Hitler, I was just saying that this would be a similarly qualified comparison. The USA today = a totalitarian fascist state is as strong an argument as George W Bush = Adolf Hitler, and both arguments typically get made by the same people around the same time.
It's not a similar comparison, because for one I don't believe Bush has the power, whereas Hitler was the fuhrer, Bush is only a puppet.
Actually I'd even go further than that, it's a slap in the face of the people who believe they actually have a choise. It's like the ppl that are really in power are saying with Bush,:"Docile masses do you really believe this idiot is the most powerful man in the world?Can't you see yet that we're fucking with you?If you still have any doubts that the president is the man in charge, the one who has the real power, then we give you BushII"

I actually think that giving the public the illusion of choise makes it even more totalitarian. At least in a recognised totalitarian regime the people don't take the media too seriously. They know it's all propaganda. In a 'free country' where the president is chosen 'democratically' they'll tend to believe whatever they hear. Coz afterall the media is free and the news you get is objective, right?


Anyway, if we were a totalitarian state then the Democratic party would have been disbanded by now. Hitler turned Germany into a one-party state two months after becoming Chancellor. Can you imagine that happening in the US? As much as the Republicans might try to marginalize the opposition party, that didn't stop the Dems from retaking Congress during the last midterms. If this were a totalitarian state that would not have happened.
Do you think totalitarian regimes stay the same over time?
Don't you think they also tend to learn from their mistakes?
It's like in Holland, there is a man called Wilders that wants to throw all the muslims out, calling them (all)retarded, and saying that the Koran should be banned coz it preaches hate.
When ppl start comparing him to Hitler, ppl say:"He's nothing like Hitler, Hitler was antisemitic!"
He's not against Jews, he's ok, he's only against muslims....

If you admit that the state of affairs resembles a fascist government, then you'd also be as well admitting that it's the big financial conglomerates that rule the USA. The power behind the power. Do you really think it will make any difference who's in power Republican or Democrats? That's just an illusion of choise to keep ppl thinking they live in a democratic country. Do you think Kerry and Bush were so different? Both members of skull & bones is a dead give away. Besides from what I read they already have their (best)man ready, even if the indoctrinated masses choose differently they have their methods to get the desired outcome.
 

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From what you have read? What is that, anyway? The Weekly World News? I can list all the ways the United States is not a totalitarian state if we're going to have a rational discussion but I can't argue with insane conspiracy nuts. They just make shit up that there's no way of discounting.

and Wilders is also not Hitler. The differences between Holland now and Nazi Germany in the 30s are just as substantial as the differences between the United States and Nazi Germany. Don't whine to me that you didn't make the comparison this time because you did just imply that there was some merit to it. If you think the only difference is Muslims and Jews you're fucking stupid, or willfully ignorant, or both.
 

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From what you have read? What is that, anyway? The Weekly World News?
I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, but yes we don't all get our news from Fox. I know they say theyre objective and all that so you'll probably believe everything they have to say, but most ppl in Europe view things slightly different. Maybe you should check the backgrounds of your media outlet and maybe then you'll discover that your view of reality is controlled by a few conglomerates. Also I'd look into the background of the FED and the IRS and see the 'democratic' way those agencies came into being.

I can list all the ways the United States is not a totalitarian state if we're going to have a rational discussion but I can't argue with insane conspiracy nuts. They just make shit up that there's no way of discounting.

You can't debate full stop, your lack of intellectual depth is apparent from the typical oneliners with which your newsnetwork typically dismisses anything that questions the official government story.
I'll bet you even believe the official story that Oswald shot Kennedy as well?


and Wilders is also not Hitler. The differences between Holland now and Nazi Germany in the 30s are just as substantial as the differences between the United States and Nazi Germany. Don't whine to me that you didn't make the comparison this time because you did just imply that there was some merit to it. If you think the only difference is Muslims and Jews you're fucking stupid, or willfully ignorant, or both.

They're are obvious differences I can see now why you want to debate that Bush=Hitler so you can bring out your infantile arguments. That Bush was born in the USA and Hitler was born in Austria, that Hitler looked like Charlie Chaplin and Bush didn't.....etc

You're completely missing the point. Both Hitler and Wilders are using a scapegoat to blame all the problems on in a country. Both have a simplistic solution for solving it. And both are using the feelings that are already there certain parts of the population.

I know you probably just accept that Hitler was a devil that misled the German population into doing these terrible things. But let me tell you that Hitler was just a clever politician. Do you think he would have scapegoated the Jews if the Germans weren't already antisemitic? He was a populist, he knew those issues would make him popular. The same with Wilders.

Obviously different circumstances but I'm surprised a supposed 160IQ doesn't see that they're both using the same tactics.
 

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This is what happens when parents let their child prance about, screaming like a grade-A bitch in order not to "inhibit" his or her "expression." I reckon mommy and daddy got their money's worth by sending the kid to college.
Nope. IT's what happens when kids are raised in a home where they're stricltly controlled and never allowed to speak. The momment they get an opportunity, they don't know how to handle it, or worse, use their parent's browbeathing harangues as a model for adult discourse.
 

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Yeah, I watch Fox News religiously. That's so obvious. Andro Man, you're a fucking retard.
The debate in Holland over whether or not they should allow birkas in the street is obviously exactly the same as suspending all rights for and sponsoring violence and brutality against one "race" of people, then sending millions of them to extermination camps. Practically the same thing. Bill O'Reilly complaining about far left extremists is obviously exactly the same as Nazi Germany banning all other political parties a couple months after Hitler rose to power. You're so right, these differences are every bit as superficial as Hitler being from Europe and Bush being from America. MAN you nailed me.
and yes, Oswald shot Kennedy. Thanks for exposing yourself as a conspiracy nut, too, and therefore rendering your arguments even less credible than they already were. Though we could have gathered that from the HIV/AIDs thread you started. I'm guessing you believe 9/11 was an inside job, as well? and I suppose we didn't ever walk on the moon? Please kill yourself.
 

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Yeah, I watch Fox News religiously. That's so obvious. Andro Man, you're a fucking retard.
The debate in Holland over whether or not they should allow birkas in the street is obviously exactly the same as suspending all rights for and sponsoring violence and brutality against one "race" of people, then sending millions of them to extermination camps. Practically the same thing. Bill O'Reilly complaining about far left extremists is obviously exactly the same as Nazi Germany banning all other political parties a couple months after Hitler rose to power. You're so right, these differences are every bit as superficial as Hitler being from Europe and Bush being from America. MAN you nailed me.
and yes, Oswald shot Kennedy. Thanks for exposing yourself as a conspiracy nut, too, and therefore rendering your arguments even less credible than they already were. Though we could have gathered that from the HIV/AIDs thread you started. I'm guessing you believe 9/11 was an inside job, as well? and I suppose we didn't ever walk on the moon? Please kill yourself.

I've already explained what Wilders is doing, so you can't claim ignorance just coz you don't live in Holland.

What's the 160IQ based on???

I'd say in Holland you'd be lucky to get 60. You're dumb beyond belief.

Haha, ever watched the Zapruder film? Yes you're government's right and I'm a conspiracy nut.And I thought they were kidding when they said that they were dumbing down the US population.
And 911 ever watched building 7 come down? There was even a show on Dutch TV about it, with a skeptical demolition expert who said he thought it was possible that the planes could have caused the first two, but then they showed building 7 and his face turned white."Was that on the same day?", he asked.This is clearly a controlled demolition.
And as with Kennedy the evidence was either tampered with or destroyed.

Anyways I feel like I'm arguing with a Down Syndrome child trying to convince him that his parents are lying to him, that Santa Claus doesn't exist.
 

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So what's your retarded take on it?
It would be funny to hear your take on the 'back and to the left' part of Kennedy's head also.
Let's hear some of your 160IQ reasoning, it'll be fun
 

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Kennedy's head rocked back because of the exit wound exploding out the front of his head.

WT7 collapsed because of an enormous amount of structural damage from thousands upon thousands of tons of steel and concrete falling on to it (leaving an enormous hole on one side of the building never shown on the sites you go to) and because of fire that raged for hours inside the building, fed by gas tanks under the building, that firefighters obviously were too busy to get to.

This information is available online from credible sources if you actually look for it.
 

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"Go back to bed America, your government is in control"

you crack me up.

Anyways this is a big dick site and I shouldn't expect too much intellectual depth
 

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YouTube - WTC 7 fires and south side hole

One of the many links in the link I already provided. Firefighter says "look at the hole in that building, world 7, it's coming down" long before it actually collapsed. Conspiracy nuts are willfully ignorant, the evidence against them is all over the place if you just look.
 

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That kid loved doing pranks, he knew the situation would escalate due to the nature of his questions. He seemed to milk the whole situation for the camera, I am all for freedom of speech, but he got what he deserved ( or rather, what he wanted).