The Stoning of Soraya M.

[Tattooed Goddess]

I am sorry, madam if this offends you but you exclude your own country from among the violators of women. You may not stone sexually compromised women but the US murders more women and girls than any other country. If your government cared about womanhood worldwide it wouldn't support tyranies like Saudi Arabia.

If i had to pick anywhere i'd want my daughter to grow up....it would be in a civilized country like my own. Take your US bashing elsewhere, it has nothing to do with this movie or Sharia law does it?

Go to the politics forum for that tripe.

You failed to mention...Did you see the movie? I suggest you watch it and tell me if the US comes to your mind at the last 45 minutes of the film. I thank my LUCKY STARS i live outside of these areas where this is considered normal. Sorry, i have a lot to say about it and i wish *I* could do more about it.

 

[HiddenLacey]

Thank you for sharing that MR. I definitely want to watch it. I have seen first hand how some of the women from these other countries are treated. I sat through an arabic service in our country. The women do have more freedom here. But even in America, our own country the women from some of these countries are still subservient to men. Makes me wonder WTH is going on around us.

 

[ConstantComment]

***But even in America, our own country the women from some of these countries are still subservient to men. Makes me wonder WTH is going on around us. ****

Yabbut, then we're told that we aren't appreciating other cultures when we try to empower women around the world. We're also told that we have no family values. I remember taking a presentation course at the borough college, the same as a community college in the US. A Chinese woman made a presentation about how China had greater family values and people treated their parents better or something like that. As an American I decided to be reticent. But an Australian asked her about the incidence of infanticide and some other practices.

 

[HiddenLacey]

***But even in America, our own country the women from some of these countries are still subservient to men. Makes me wonder WTH is going on around us. ****

Yabbut, then we're told that we aren't appreciating other cultures when we try to empower women around the world. We're also told that we have no family values. I remember taking a presentation course at the borough college, the same as a community college in the US. A Chinese woman made a presentation about how China had greater family values and people treated their parents better or something like that. As an American I decided to be reticent. But an Australian asked her about the incidence of infanticide and some other practices.

If they choose to live like that then they do, I have no problem respecting someones choices. After speaking with some I found out they were terrified and trapped in situations they didn't know how to get out of. I should have clarified what I meant

 

[Wish-4-8]

Ms. Rouge. What is more horrific? The way she was killed, or the fact that she was killed and the perpetraitors are able to get away with it.

This seems like a classic movie plot: Guy wants his wife dead for politcal gain and finds a loophole to legally kill his wife.

I am getting from the trailer that this seems to be the case. They use the word conspiricy.

Its interesting how it is easier to see the horrors in other cultures than our own. For example, how is this different from Henry VIII beheading his wives for not "giving" him a son?

I dont want to shortchange the reality of this horror. Im just saying that the world is smaller than we think.

 

[curiousvirgin]

Ms. Rouge. What is more horrific? The way she was killed, or the fact that she was killed and the perpetraitors are able to get away with it.

This seems like a classic movie plot: Guy wants his wife dead for politcal gain and finds a loophole to legally kill his wife.

I am getting from the trailer that this seems to be the case. They use the word conspiricy.

Its interesting how it is easier to see the horrors in other cultures than our own. For example, how is this different from Henry VIII beheading his wives for not "giving" him a son?

I dont want to shortchange the reality of this horror. Im just saying that the world is smaller than we think.

Yea cruelty is common, barbarism justified and humanity ignored...its everywhere really...its true what you say that its easier to see cruelty when so blatantly displayed yet how easy it is to ignore what is goes on right before our eyes just because it seems commonplace. I guess that brings us on equal footing as those that kept silent in the movie...and just as guilty

 

[Pitbull]

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[tray22nc]

I'm obviously not a woman, but I saw the title of this thread and read and wanted to post.
I saw this movie several months ago and it has stuck in my head since. The way that women, and minorities (anyone other than straight men) are treated around the world is appauling. In the story, which is based on actual events, this woman isn't even given the option of telling her story and no matter how hard or how many times she tries, she is denied.
I was born in Australia and raised in the US, but I consider myself to be a pretty well informed person of other cultures and ways of life, but cannot understand how one person has less value than another, no matter the place. Yet, all over the world this happens.
I am not saying this to offend anyone, but reading through the comments that some have left in regards to not watching the movie because it is either too violent or not having the stomach to watch it, etc....please, do yourself and everyone else a favor. Buck up and watch it. Giving an excuse like that is completely ridiculous to me. This is why things like this still happen....because people don't want to get involved, they don't have the stomach to deal with the situation to make life better for others.
There is a statement that I'm sure everyone has heard that I feel is applicable here. It was spoken by Pastor Martin Niemöller in 1946:
"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

As long as no one speaks up, nothing will change.

 

[bigwatcher]

I just finished this movie...so terrible. It is hard to think about how terrible people are treated in other cultures. This Sharia law bullshit is total nonsense. How can these people even consider this "God's Law"? Well I probably shouldn't go on, I know some boards don't allow religious talk.

This film was very touching and heartbreaking, so I appreciate you posting it Mademoiselle.

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

Bigwatcher, it was probably most difficult movie i've ever sat through. Right as the stoning started, my daughter walked in the door from swimming lessons. She cheered us up but we waited until she went to bed to finish it. It was so hard to go back to the scene and finish out the movie.

 

[B_dxjnorto]

Yeah, it's horrible. Agree with Wish and curiousvirgin too. We've got our own serious problems.

 

[bigwatcher]

I tend to get to caught up in almost everything I watch. By the time the verdict was reached I felt as if Soraya was a close friend sentenced to a cruel death. I would put this up there with one of the most disturbing movies I've watched, probably alongside Irreversible...another movie that left me depressed through the next day.

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

bigwatcher, i added that to my netflix #1 spot, it should be here in the next few days hopefully. I'll let you know.

 

[bigwatcher]

Oh cool lol. It is a little weird/artsy so I won't take offense if you hate it

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

actually im watching it now

 

[deleted356736]

Don't want to be American-bashing but, some of us in other parts of the world find the American propensity for executing criminals to be barbaric.

Islamic belief does follow on from the Torah, most of which is in the Old Testament of the Christian Bible. And there are lots of stonings, slaves, concubines, mass-murder, genocide, gross mis-treatments of women and so on in the Torah. Am I not right?

My view, shared by many, is that it's not possible to be Christian (Jewish, Muslim) and femininst. Because patriarchal religious beliefs (the all-seeing all-knowing single male God) evolved purely to subjugate women.

 

[tray22nc]

Islam follows the Qur'an, not the Torah. The Torah is the first five books of the "Old Testament" and is the Holy book of Jews.
In Judaism, there are different aspects of G-d including Shechinah, the feminine form of G-d. So, it is not impossible to be Jewish and a feminist.
I will give you that the Bible, ALL of the Bible is very violent and filled with slavery, murder, and tonnes of other grotesque crimes (at least considered crimes now). Why do you think that nearly every war in history was religiously based?

 

[cherychoper]

Just a quick "chime in" to say this movie is important and should be seen by all. We need to know what is happening in the world and work for world justice. An international legal system based on human rights could make this kind of thing less acceptable. And, yes, perhaps the US would finally stop it's capital punishment programs.

 

[dolfette]

no, i'm not going to watch it.

i already know it goes on so it feels a bit more like misery porn than education for me.

instead of watching it i'm going to make a small donation towards protecting women's rights.
maybe you can too?
sympathy and knowledge are very important but we shouldn't forget how vital cold, hard cash is to fight this!

 

[sbat]

no, i'm not going to watch it.

i already know it goes on so it feels a bit more like misery porn than education for me.

instead of watching it i'm going to make a small donation towards protecting women's rights.
maybe you can too?
sympathy and knowledge are very important but we shouldn't forget how vital cold, hard cash is to fight this!

The only way to fight this is physical force. That's the only way rights can be enforced when they are imposed externally. Look at Jim Crow following the 14th Amendment.

I don't necessarily mean violence, that has a way of snowballing - I still consider passive resistance to be physical force.