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I had an internet friend a few months ago too who was a fundamentalist Christian. He was a kid from Texas who was a senior in high school and was a virgin. We IM'd a lot ( but no pics or cam) an naturally talked a lot about g/fs an sex (or wantin it) an of course masturbation. He an his g/f had pledged to virginity til marriage, but he was horny as hell an beat off about a half a dozen times a day--including while he was IMin me. I'd tell him he should get her to give him head or how he could finger fuck her, but all that was out of bounds too. I loved talkin about all that shit tho cause I know he was cummin about a quart while he was readin my IMs!
 

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. The interpretation of certain parts of the Bible during that era, and tradition mandated it. In the 21st century, nearly all protestant churches ordain women as priests and ministers. In America , more women study theology than men. What Corinthians - to go back to the book the poster mentions - said about women needing to keep silent in the assembly, is considered by most people today to be something to be understood within the context of the period, and which doesn't necesarily apply to our time.

Why would gays want to be part of a faith like that? Why would women have wanted to be part of a faith like that? I don't know, personal beliefs - a persons concept of his maker, is not always quantifiable. "This is what a Christian is", "These are the rules", "this person can, or cannot be one": are ideas that don't always apply. A person simply feels lead to express and live his faith. For my part, this is something to be honored and celebrated.


So basically where does truth in a religion begin and temporal interpretation end? That is what I don't understand. The bible is supposed to be the sole truth and word of god right? And I believe it says somewhere that it is not open to private interpretation, that being said, why have it if each period of time calls for a different interpretation? It sounds more to me like society and the present time dictate the bible, not the other way around. It's a whole mess and no wonder there are so many sects with each going after each other's throat. :smile:
 

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There are plenty of people who use this verse or that to support their own point of view. Ignoring the totality of its message, they say "The Bibile says........." Usually they are discussing how OTHER PEOPLE "ought" to behave. I call this selective literalism. Here is an satirical example:

>> Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality
who dispenses advice to people who call in to her
radio show. Recently, she said that, as
an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an
abomination according to the Old
> Testament, Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned
under any circumstance. The following is an open
letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which was
posted on the Internet.

Dear Dr. Laura

Thank you for doing so much to educate people
regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone
tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be abomination.
End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding
some of the other specific laws and how to follow
them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice,
I know it creates a pleasing smell for the Lord - Leviticus 1:9.
The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to
them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery,
as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am not allowed to have contact
with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual cleanliness - Leviticus
15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but
most women take offense.

4. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male
and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A
friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not
Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the
Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states she should be put to death. Am I
morally obligated to kill her myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating
shellfish is an abomination - Leviticus 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach
the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I
wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some
wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair cut, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by the bible, in Leviticus 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Leviticus 11:6-9 that touching the
skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if
I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting
two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of threads (cotton and
polyester blend). He also tends to curse a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town to stone them? - Leviticus 24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? Leviticus
20:14

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you
can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal
and unchanging.

Your devoted fan,

Marty
 

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As a straight Christian myself, I can understand he would go as far as mutual masterbating, but if he goes any farther, I wouldn't say he is a Christian or strong in his faith. As long as he dosn't have sex with you, then he is straight. You may have found a good friend, as long as he's a minor like you. Becareful, he might not be honest about his faith.
WHAT!!!
When and where did Jesus give you permission to decide who and who is not a Christian? My Bible says that Jesus and Jesus alone will be the judge of ALL humanity.
I am a Christian. Sin is something that separates a person from God. I know about THOSE passages. Gay activity is a sin in YOUR mind. The Bible says we all sin. How can we put one sin as forgivable and another sin as not? I for one think that God loves gays as much as he does straight people. Jesus came to save the world. God loves all of us more than we love ourselves. We have a committed gay couple in our church. They are the most loving and caring members we have.
 

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NEWSFLASH: A lot of people who consider themselves conservative Christians are having gay sex. What was his name? Oh yes, Foley?

As a straight Christian myself, I can understand he would go as far as mutual masterbating, but if he goes any farther, I wouldn't say he is a Christian or strong in his faith. As long as he dosn't have sex with you, then he is straight. You may have found a good friend, as long as he's a minor like you. Becareful, he might not be honest about his faith.
 

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Of course it is possible to be gay and Christian; there are many Protestant denominations that are somewhere on the continuum between tolerant to accepting and affirming. Check out the United Church of Christ and the Unitarian Universalists, for sure. Also, congregations individually vote on whether they want to welcome GLBT people in the following denominations:
Presbyterian Church USA, United Methodist Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Community of Christ, Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), and the American Baptist Churches. Well over 1,000 congregations including more than a million members of these denominations have voted to welcome openly GLBT persons to their churches. Don't let right-wing Christians let you think that they are the only Christians or even the only "real" or "true" Christians.
Of the churches you mentioned, The United Methodist Church is the third largest Christian denomination in America. The Presybyterian Church USA is in the top ten. And you left out the Episcopal Church which has a Bishop in an active gay partnership.
 

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The rules of Christianity change all the time. This is why the Protestants broke from the Catholic Church. This is why there are constant divisions and new denominations popping up all the time within the Protestant religions. This is why some churches allow gay marriage. This is why some churches allow gay ministers. Even the good old Catholic Church changes all the time. Ever hear of Vatican Two? It's the new standard set by the Pope about fifty years ago, issuing in all sorts of changes, such as the rule that Catholic masses are no longer said in Latin.

I'm just curious on how a gay would want to be christian. Christianity has its own rules and they will not change. I don't think a gay can be a christian truthfully speaking. The bible has references of homosexuality as evil and something that god hates. I think some where in corithians it says they, along with drunkards and those who do sexually immoral things will not be welcomed in heaven. Why would a gay want a religion like that? How can you reconcile with an ideology like that? From what I gather, christians want people to change from being "sinful" to being "holy," whatever that means. So why would a gay want to follow that? It is beyond me.
 

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The hallmark of the Protestant branch of Christianity is the doctrine of "priesthood of the believer." That means we all read the Bible and pray to God. No one including the ordained clergy have any more "special knowledge" than anyone else.

Also, the Bible is a record of man's interaction with God during ancient times. Many of the rules of the Old Testament were civil laws. The Bible was the Word of God and the "constitution" for the Jewish state at that time. Civil laws follow the culture to a great extent.

Christianity is supposed to be growing and learning new concepts and learning more about God. Christian law is primarily based on the teachings of Jesus, not the Old Testament. A rule of thumb if it is in the Old Testament and reaffirmed in the New Testament it may still be valid. If it is mentioned in the Old Testament and not in the New Testament, then we can assume that it may not have a relevance to us today.

There was a whole thread on this not that long ago. Those passages n the New Testament were talking about male prostitutes that were trying to be a part of the Christina worship service. In those days, there were religions that used sex with men and women as part of the worship practice. Paul was saying that, no, sexual activity is not a part of divine Christian worship. Paul never mentioned men in a committed gay relationship. The New Testament does not deal with this issue at all.
 

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This thread is interesting, to say the least. Who is right...and who is wrong? As a Christian myself, I have come to one conclusion after many years. I should be the LAST person to judge anyone. I'm not even sure if I should even be here at this website, although I'm as straight as an arrow. Sex just happens to interest me a lot and me and my wife both enjoy this website.
I often wonder if it's any less of a sin to be attracted to almost every female on the face of the earth like I am (even though I'm married) or is someone who is gay more of a sinner than me? To me, there are no degrees. I believe that there is only one guy that never made a mistake, and I'm sure not Him.
Is being gay right or wrong? Not sure, all I know is I believe I am to love everyone in my heart the same and to forgive everyone, because I have sure been forgiven of A LOT!
My 2 cents. Hope I didn't bore anyone or come off as preachy.
 

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last night the flying spagetti monster came to me in a dream and said that gay is ok, and that I must kill all Christians.


You can't prove it didn't happen
 

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Speaking as a gay Christian, Spiritual Life Coach (certified; and two M.A.s in Theology & Ministry [both Berkeley]), proud member of LPSG and member of the human family, I'd love to discuss any and all aspects of this thread with anyone who cares to PM me...some outstanding things have been written and I think, in terms of mutual understanding, we're onto something...peace and light,

Phenix:smile:
 

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The rules of Christianity change all the time. This is why the Protestants broke from the Catholic Church. This is why there are constant divisions and new denominations popping up all the time within the Protestant religions. This is why some churches allow gay marriage. This is why some churches allow gay ministers. Even the good old Catholic Church changes all the time. Ever hear of Vatican Two? It's the new standard set by the Pope about fifty years ago, issuing in all sorts of changes, such as the rule that Catholic masses are no longer said in Latin.

Protesting the Catholic Church and changing the rules of Christianity are two different things. You cannot equate the two. One claims to teach the truth that came from the early Christians called the "church fathers" and the other follows an augustinian priest named Luther. The former calls the later heretical. Not all denonminations allow gay marriage or ministers. The Vatican recently released a document stating that homosexual men must not be allowed in seminaries and must never be ordained to to their "disorder." Whatever that means. They are even sending investigators to seminaries to root out dissident gay professors, rectors and so forth. A seminary in Austria was closed down by the Church for homosexual behavior.

As for Vatican II? They only changed the externals, the internals or doctrines remains the same: no contraception, no gays, no women priests, no abortion, etc. Changing the vernacular, vestments, or making a priest face the people are not doctrinal changes. The Church has constantly stated that they do not have the authority to change any doctrine or what they call "dogma." Hence, bishops like that one that married in the Moon sect were simply excommunicated instead of allowed to dialog. Denominations that do favor gays seem to be declining and are on the road to schism.
 

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There are plenty of people who use this verse or that to support their own point of view. Ignoring the totality of its message, they say "The Bibile says........." Usually they are discussing how OTHER PEOPLE "ought" to behave. I call this selective literalism. Here is an satirical example:

>> Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality
who dispenses advice to people who call in to her
radio show. Recently, she said that, as
an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an
abomination according to the Old
> Testament, Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned
under any circumstance. The following is an open
letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which was
posted on the Internet.

Dear Dr. Laura

Thank you for doing so much to educate people
regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone
tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be abomination.
End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding
some of the other specific laws and how to follow
them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice,
I know it creates a pleasing smell for the Lord - Leviticus 1:9.
The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to
them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery,
as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am not allowed to have contact
with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual cleanliness - Leviticus
15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but
most women take offense.

4. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male
and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A
friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not
Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the
Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states she should be put to death. Am I
morally obligated to kill her myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating
shellfish is an abomination - Leviticus 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach
the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I
wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some
wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair cut, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by the bible, in Leviticus 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Leviticus 11:6-9 that touching the
skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if
I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting
two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of threads (cotton and
polyester blend). He also tends to curse a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town to stone them? - Leviticus 24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? Leviticus
20:14

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you
can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal
and unchanging.

Your devoted fan,

Marty


I think Dr. Laura would probably respond that the writer mixed moral laws and cultural customs with ritual and judicial laws. They all are both different and distinct things and must be taken into context. To read them as a single entity will result in this type of confusion and sarcasm. :smile:
 

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Speaking as a gay Christian, Spiritual Life Coach (certified; and two M.A.s in Theology & Ministry [both Berkeley]), proud member of LPSG and member of the human family, I'd love to discuss any and all aspects of this thread with anyone who cares to PM me...some outstanding things have been written and I think, in terms of mutual understanding, we're onto something...peace and light,

Phenix:smile:
Each mind is a world, so discussing it would probably be fruitless. It all boils down to faith I guess. People just follow God and set organized religion aside with its "holy books." But I am interested in hearing from you on how you as a "gay christian" with an M.A. in Theology can reconcile the passage in Corinthians that states that homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Sure one can say the Gospels don't mention homosexuality and Jesus was some kinds of a love preaching hippie, but the Bible is more than just the Gospels right? And isn't all scripture "inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;...?" Also, the Bible condemns homosexuality and never approves of it. That being said, how can you believe in such a book? :smile:
 

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As a straight Christian myself, I can understand he would go as far as mutual masterbating, but if he goes any farther, I wouldn't say he is a Christian or strong in his faith. As long as he dosn't have sex with you, then he is straight. You may have found a good friend, as long as he's a minor like you. Becareful, he might not be honest about his faith.

His homosexuality wouldn't keep him from being Christian. I try not to get riled about religion and its followers, but it's too difficult.

If the two of you enjoy jacking each other, what difference does it make if he's Buddhist? Interestingly enough, my gay roomie just asked me this morning if I wanted to jack with him. It would've been cool if it had been anyone else, but he's like a bro to me. Just felt too creepy.
 

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NEWSFLASH: A lot of people who consider themselves conservative Christians are having gay sex. What was his name? Oh yes, Foley?

Yeah.:rolleyes: And and and that guy, y' know the one who...um, took some crystal meth and and and he got a masseur to give him a Shiatsu massage...in his rectum...and and and he told a bunch of people that "he din't do it" but later they found out he did...and he went away for a few weeks and he is straight now. Oh, yeah--Ted Haggard!!!
 

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:smile: They must indeed be taken IN CONTEXT, but from my perspective, when dealing with ancient Israel (esp. from a scriptural standpoint), the lines between moral, cultural, judicial, and customarial blur greatly...just an observation...the most important point you make is that these scriptural citations cannot be taken out of context...the question is: what relevance do they have in the early 21st century? peace out

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First of all, the NT (and I mean Paul here) condemns certain KINDS of homosexuality...were you to read the passage in I Cor. you refer to in the Greek, you'd find that Paul is condemning the practice of male temple prostitution and pederasty...Paul would be utterly confused and bewildered, nay would have no concept of being "gay" as we know it today...and forgive me if I'm being semantical, but this IS about Semantics (and, of course, faith as you rightly mention)...as for the passage you cite from I Tim. about "all scripture is profitable, etc," there was no NT Testament when this was written...it's the Hebrew scriptures that are being spoken of...moreover, to flip it back on Paul, we don't live under the Law as Christians...Jesus came to fulfill the Law (and turn it on its ear), but not to abolish it...now what do we do with that little theological paradox? How can the Law (i.e., the Torah) be fulfilled yet not abolished? Peace out,

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