The Strauss-Kahn case

[atlclgurl]

Gentlemen, the facts are this:

He was registered and occupying a suite in the Sofitel, where the maid went into clean the room, not knowing that he had requested a late check out.

Somehow in a span of around 5 minutes, there was some sort of sexual contact as verified by DNA proof of his DNA splattered on the floors and walls precisely where she claims to have spit out his semen, and on her dress.

He then checked out and left the hotel.

At some point, after the "encounter", she made a report to the hotel management and they contacted the Police.

The Police took him off his flight after checking into her story (however briefly, they felt justified in removing him)

She was examined and discovered to have a bruised vagina as well as a dislocated shoulder. Her stockings were also torn.

The maid is the one who came forward with her lies in regards to her gaining asylum in the US, she told her attorney that she had lied and he was the one who notified the DA's office.

The charges against him have not been dropped and the NYC DA's office insists they will not drop the charges of sexual assualt and attempted rape.

As a woman, I KNOW its not possible for me to have a consensual sexual encounter with a man I just met inside of 5 minutes. I hghly doubt any woman who is not a prostitute could do so, therefore I think he DID rape her.

I leave you with this quote from the female NYC ADA prosecuting this case: "The fact of a sexual encounter was and is corroborated by forensic evidence, and the very brief time period inside the hotel suite strongly suggested something other than a consensual act," Assistant District Attorney Joan Illuzzi-Orbon

Read more: Dominique Strauss-Kahn goes free without bail, but prosecutors do not drop rape charges
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The maid's attorney gave a long statement to the press, you can see it here: Attorney: DA has evidence Strauss-Kahn bruised maid’s vagina


Just because she lied about somethings, does not mean she was not raped. After all, his past isn't exactly spotless. He's been accused of attempted rape by the god-daughter of his second wife! Here's a report of that from the UK's Guardian newspaper: Dominique Strauss-Kahn faces further claim of sexual assault | World news | The Guardian

 

[deleted15807]

As a woman, I KNOW its not possible for me to have a consensual sexual encounter with a man I just met inside of 5 minutes. I hghly doubt any woman who is not a prostitute could do so, therefore I think he DID rape her.

That is the thing. No woman is going to that with a complete stranger. Something did happen and the DA did a very poor job of handling the case.

 

[eurotop40]

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She was examined and discovered to have a bruised vagina as well as a dislocated shoulder. Her stockings were also torn.
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As a woman, I KNOW its not possible for me to have a consensual sexual encounter with a man I just met inside of 5 minutes. I hghly doubt any woman who is not a prostitute could do so, therefore I think he DID rape her.
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Just because she lied about somethings, does not mean she was not raped. After all, his past isn't exactly spotless. He's been accused of attempted rape by the god-daughter of his second wife!

I am always appalled at the linguistic and anatomic ignorance even of US attorneys: I guess she had a bruised VULVA... and not a vagina unless she accomodated an elephant dick (I would not be surprised...).

She IS a prostitute (according to the last revelations).

Has he been found guilty?

It is so interesting how these cases always are a shock for the profound sexual purity of the US american people.

 

[superbot]

...I also think what is equally disturbing was the treatment he received at the hands of the New York Police dept.Parading him in handcuffs under the noses of waitng press photographers as though he were some sort of mobster did the police a bad diservice.I understand that this is some sort 'trophy' ritual that they adopt for high profile cases and is meant to somehow give them kudos in the eyes of the world.Frankly,I find it pretty revolting not to mention unjust and i understand that French are furious.Quite right.

 

[Cobalt Blue]

Gentlemen, the facts are this:

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Just because she lied about somethings, does not mean she was not raped.

The latest revelations show that she has lied about everything:
Dominque Strauss-Kahn's accuser was hotel hooker, insiders say - NYPOST.com

Absolutely stunning. The list of lies and scams Diallo/Famotidina has committed takes up three pages of this New York Times article! If you can't be bothered to wade through the whole list, atlclgurl, read just page two. That should give you a flavour of the type of scammer we are dealing with here...

 

[Hoss]

Where it stands now

A woman who has given conflicting reports at 1 point she left the room with DSK and reported it and hadn't been back in the room, at another point she had the encounter, left cleaned another room then returned to the DSK room. Which is the real story?

The latest saying she had the encounter, cleaned another room then went back to the DSK room adds to a lost case and created problems since her return before anybody could check the room forensically and her saying she then cleaned the room would taint the evidence.

She has a history apparently of prostitution, so she might have had sexual encounters with more than 1 man. Even if she only had an encounter with DSK the simple fact that she went back into his room after he had left, supposedly to clean it creates a new issue. He could have actually had an encounter with her, used a condom and she then distributed the semen from the condom in the room and on her clothes.




The entire case is a disaster.

 

[Cobalt Blue]

More here.

 

[deleted15807]

She IS a prostitute (according to the last revelations).

And of course prostitutes can't be raped

 

[Jason]

...I understand that this is some sort 'trophy' ritual that they adopt for high profile cases and is meant to somehow give them kudos in the eyes of the world...

I had assumed that DSK had received the same treatment as would be received by any other person arrested in NY, ie that all people arrested have to face the walk of shame. If however this really is some sort of special treatment because he is a prominent individual then it is a case of multiple breaches of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (article 2, no distinction by status; article 5, degrading treatment; article 7, all are equal before the law; article 12 attack upon reputation).

Assuming the case against DSK is discharged then it is surely possible that he would prosecute.

 

[superbot]

I had assumed that DSK had received the same treatment as would be received by any other person arrested in NY, ie that all people arrested have to face the walk of shame. If however this really is some sort of special treatment because he is a prominent individual then it is a case of multiple breaches of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (article 2, no distinction by status; article 5, degrading treatment; article 7, all are equal before the law; article 12 attack upon reputation).

Assuming the case against DSK is discharged then it is surely possible that he would prosecute.

The guy is innocent until proved guilty and it's not the role of the police to humiliate people in this way.

 

[Boobalaa]

The guy is innocent until proved guilty and it's not the role of the police to humiliate people in this way.

..and I would add to that.. however the role of the media to humiliate people in this way sells papers..:biggrin1::biggrin1:

 

[atlclgurl]

I am always appalled at the linguistic and anatomic ignorance even of US attorneys: I guess she had a bruised VULVA... and not a vagina unless she accomodated an elephant dick (I would not be surprised...).

She IS a prostitute (according to the last revelations).

Has he been found guilty?

It is so interesting how these cases always are a shock for the profound sexual purity of the US american people.

I gotta say, I'm always appalled at those who use ad hominem attacks.

You pick a grammatically error to support the proposition that she was NOT raped? Really? The fucking guy BRUISED HER.

That's like saying "No, he didn't give her a black eye, her periorbital tissue was contused." (No, I'm not saying this maid had black eye!)

Vulva, vagina, eye, periorbital tissue.... what's the DAMN difference? It's still BRUISED, it's still an act of VIOLENCE, which is an element of oh yeah... RAPE.

He has not been found, as of yet, guilty or innocent. Neither, might I remind you, has SHE. There are no charges against her. NONE. (Which, admittedly, might also be an "as of yet" situation too.)

You "gentlemen" (those defending him) are being just as judgmental about her as everyone was about him. You completely ignore the DNA evidence. The police would not have yanked him off the Air France jet without probable cause.

And, while we are on about the much reviled US justice system, he's not getting any preferential treatment as far as perp walks, etc... just look at the media swarm around any celebrity (think Lindsay Lohan).

Cobalt, the blog you linked to is just absurd. "Read – Strauss-Kahn seduced the gal with his French-Jewish-old fart charm, and she cried rape to avoid having her illegal activities come to light." REALLY? How would a consensual fuck bring her "illegal activites" into the light? Was DSK really going to crow to everybody that he had been fucking a (so called) criminal? REALLY? Would he be running to the police? "Excuse me officer, the woman, I just fucked is here in the country illegally. Kindly arrest her." REALLY?

 

[deleted213967]

Was DSK really going to crow to everybody that he had been fucking a (so called) criminal? REALLY? Would he be running to the police? "Excuse me officer, the woman, I just fucked is here in the country illegally. Kindly arrest her." REALLY?

While I have no respect for the man (an elitist hypocrite, evidently not above sexual predation), I am as guilty as many others of having rushed to judgement in this case.

Let's all recall that the defendant was panegyrized as a "very pious, devout Muslim woman" and has now surfaced as a hooker with moral standards below sea level, not to mention a blatant disregard for the law of the land that granted her asylum.

Adding to that the hubris of the publicity-seeking prosecution team, only weeks ago so cocksure about the solidity of this case, and it should come as no surprise that the pendulum as swung in DSK's favor.

 

[Cobalt Blue]

While I have no respect for the man (an elitist hypocrite, evidently not above sexual predation), I am as guilty as many others of having rushed to judgement in this case.

Let's all recall that the defendant was panegyrized as a "very pious, devout Muslim woman" and has now surfaced as a hooker with moral standards below sea level, not to mention a blatant disregard for the law of the land that granted her asylum.

Adding to that the hubris of the publicity-seeking prosecution team, only weeks ago so cocksure about the solidity of this case, and it should come as no surprise that the pendulum as swung in DSK's favor.

atlclgurl,
I think you really need to calm down and read the actual facts of this case:
Dominque Strauss-Kahn's accuser was hotel hooker, insiders say - NYPOST.com
As I said before, Diallo has been systematically lying and scamming since she lied to get into the U.S. It is obvious that as a "pathological liar" [not my words, but the words of the prosecutor] she is simply unable to remember what the truth is now, since her whole existence seems to be based on the philosophy of scam everyone, everywhere, at every opportunity.

Anyway, atlclgurl good luck to you defending this piece of shit - hopefully she will get the weight of the American legal system thrown at her, but I fear her only punishment will be deportation...

 

[deleted213967]

atlclgurl,
I think you really need to calm down and read the actual facts of this case:
Dominque Strauss-Kahn's accuser was hotel hooker, insiders say - NYPOST.com
As I said before, Diallo has been systematically lying and scamming since she lied to get into the U.S. It is obvious that as a "pathological liar" [not my words, but the words of the prosecutor] she is simply unable to remember what the truth is now, since her whole existence seems to be based on the philosophy of scam everyone, everywhere, at every opportunity.

Anyway, atlclgurl good luck to you defending this piece of shit - hopefully she will get the weight of the American legal system thrown at her, but I fear her only punishment will be deportation...

Funny she should choose to be called Ophelia here...

Rings a bell?

 

[atlclgurl]

Cobalt, I am perfectly calm. Thank you for your concern.

Clearly you don't know (or don't care) that the New York Post is a gossip rag. Their stories are usually on par with the UK's The Sun.

And, I'm not defending HER, I'm saying that even if she was a prostitute, even if she was a liar about other things, hell, even if she's a convicted criminal, that does NOT mean she was not raped by this man at that moment.

Instantly, when a woman says "No." and a man forces her to have any kind of sexual contact with him, its RAPE.

Even his own defense team acknowledges that the DNA found in the sperm splashed on the walls, floors and her dress is indeed HIS. No one else's.

There is clear evidence of a violent encounter, the charges have not been dropped. We can only wait and see what the actual outcome will be, but even IF she is a "piece of shit" that does NOT mean this man or any man should be let off and not tried for RAPE.

If you take your position to its most "logical" extreme then woman who have been convicted and imprisoned should never complain even if they are raped in jail because after all, they're "pieces of shit". Right?

By the by, that "piece of shit" label can be applied just as easily to ya boy.

 

[august86]

I seriously doubt that.
His career is ruined, someone has achieved their goal.

From first time I heard about it, this story reaked of classical Political saboutage.

 

[deleted213967]

From first time I heard about it, this story reaked of classical Political saboutage.

It reeks more of a banal shakedown by an opportunistic low-life.

Even so, he would be hard-pressed to campaign for president from his ritzy Manhattan pied-à-terre: his semen is still drying on the walls of the oh-so-Socialist $3,000-a-night suite after all.

Should the charges be dropped, and the Socialists win the elections, I do wonder how this case woul affect US-EU relationship...

 

[atlclgurl]

From first time I heard about it, this story reaked of classical Political saboutage.

It reeks more of a banal shakedown by an opportunistic low-life.

There's no evidence of this kind of financial motive... (not that I'm saying she's not a low-life, mind you.)

Did DSK's Accuser Have a Financial Motive?
Investigators believe a sexual encounter did take place between a hotel maid and the former IMF director, but they haven't found evidence of premeditated blackmail, reports John Solomon.

DSK News: Evidence of Sexual Encounter With Maid But No Blackmail - The Daily Beast

 

[B_crackoff]

I gotta say, I'm always appalled at those who use ad hominem attacks.

You pick a grammatically error to support the proposition that she was NOT raped? Really? The fucking guy BRUISED HER.

No he didn't. Has there been a trial? How have you been made judge & jury?

Innocent until proven guilty?

You "gentlemen" (those defending him) are being just as judgmental about her as everyone was about him. You completely ignore the DNA evidence. The police would not have yanked him off the Air France jet without probable cause.

It's turned out that his versions, NOT the police's has turned out to be true. He left his mobile, & called the hotel from the airport, & told them where he was.

Believe it or not, most people who are arrested have the charges dropped, normally because investigation such as this proove their innocence. You're off your head to think an arrest in anyway proves guilt - it's a mechanism for inquiry.

As for the DNA evidence, I'm amazed it got anywhere near his clothes - as he was coming out of the shower - who's he - Cary Grant in Charade:biggrin1:?

Your argument that the revelations about her don't prove he didn't rape her, are as weak as kitten shit. You could say that about anything or anyone. IT HAS TO BE PROVEN that he did.

Shockingly, you're like the evil village gossip. Most of us are glad that it seems clear he didn't rape her

You're still HOPING that he did!