The Successful Temper Tantrum of the "right"

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Vinyl, why you waste your time here ranting is beyond me. You claim to be intellectually superior with your responses to just about everyone else here. If you're so smart, why would you spend your time here complaining to a few people, half of who think you're full of yourself?

Ah well, you should be happy about the results, as it gives more fuel for your hatred of anything and anyone you feel is beneath you. Serious issues, you have.
 

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Given my post history around here, it's more than apparent what my stance is on this piece.

I really don't care about your post history. And I'm not about to try and infer your thesis from your past writing. What if you've changed your mind? I'll look foolish. :biggrin1:

I will ask once more, what do you want people to take from the guy's blog? What is your position on his writing?

I thought that apart from noting a few demographic trends, his post didn't have much content, and frankly, didn't make much sense. I thought he seemed angry and a little bitter over the way yesterday's election went. I think he needs a hug.

Discuss.
 
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Vinyl, why you waste your time here ranting is beyond me.

Everyone needs something to do when the media files are rendering. But I digress... as much as other people rant on this board, I can do it occasionally as well.

You claim to be intellectually superior with your responses to just about everyone else here.

No I don't. That's your perception of me and it's not true.

If you're so smart, why would you spend your time here complaining to a few people, half of who think you're full of yourself?

Someone has to be the voice of the opposition around here. Otherwise the Politics section would be overrun with vacuous rhetoric, completely devoid of reality.

Ah well, you should be happy about the results, as it gives more fuel for your hatred of anything and anyone you feel is beneath you. Serious issues, you have.

And what "anger" do you think that is? The fact that some people don't think before they act? The fact that some people veil their paranoia and fears under the guise of phony political movements geared to separate instead of unite? The fact that some people honestly believe that a political party will solve our nation's problems when ultimately it's about individuals putting aside their biases and taking on tough problems? Or the propagated rumor that I'm supposed to be the evil, angry man that only beats up on Conservatives whenever they say something? Please... elaborate. I'd love to hear (and debunk) your speculations.

I really don't care about your post history. And I'm not about to try and infer your thesis from your past writing. What if you've changed your mind? I'll look foolish.

I will ask once more, what do you want people to take from the guy's blog? What is your position on his writing?

It's pretty sad that it's come to this... OK. One summarized walkthrough and ONLY one.
If we look at the election cycle that just passed, the temporary rise of noted political icons with extremist views and the social demographic of people who bought into it, one can easily see where our nation is heading. From a political angle, some people like to refer to it as the Southern Strategy coming back to roost. Some actually think it's a sign of regression to the way things used to be. Socially, I tend to think that it's a symbol of unstoppable progressive change. With every passing election cycle, the voices that yell this rhetoric of separation and fear gets smaller and smaller. In the 2008 election, the highest support for these extreme Conservative views came from an age demographic that started around 35. This time around, biggest support came from those who were in their 40s. IMO, all of the pop culture and historical references in the poem by Tim Wise reflect this in various forms of simile and imagery. You just had to put everything in their proper context to see it. It's too easy to sit back, take words at face value and write it off as being "angry and bitter" if you don't care. But in reality, if you believe in human equality it harbors a pretty positive message.
 
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Vinyl, why you waste your time here ranting is beyond me. You claim to be intellectually superior with your responses to just about everyone else here. If you're so smart, why would you spend your time here complaining to a few people, half of who think you're full of yourself?

Ah well, you should be happy about the results, as it gives more fuel for your hatred of anything and anyone you feel is beneath you. Serious issues, you have.


we like and approve :biggrin1:
 

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Two years and all that corporately funded angst and this was the best they could do? Three seats in the Senate, running as Republicans because they knew truly running as a real party would have been political suicide. Don't even play yourself out here. The taking over of the House was inevitable, but without the Senate you still have the threat of blatant obstructionism looming over your heads. Advantage - NOBODY.

None of the Teahadists ran under their supposed party label beyond the pandered lip service they gave to the easily duped. Old-time Conservatives were successful in taking a cow chip and shaping it into a brownie. Meanwhile you're still chewing it and pretending that it tastes good. Trying to propagate what happened last night to some kind of growth is like looking at the first sprout of a new seedling and comparing it to a redwood. The "Tea Party" was never a political movement... it was the clever repackaging of outdated, pre-existing Conservative views and it worked like a charm among the clueless who thought it was about "excessive spending" and "limited government". Anyone with a brain knew this as soon as they opened their mouths.

The same way Obama had these strong, ideological views in 2008 about bipartisanship, these so-called Teapublicans have their own... and once they run into the machine that is Congress they'll soon see how much more difficult for them to get their voices heard. Three new hard-right politicians in a Senate with no super majority won't change a thing. What happens with people like Rand Paul when our congress is forced to look at the possibility of raising the financial cap of the deficit? Does he believe the rhetoric he's spewed about "excessive spending" or does he do what every other Republican has done in recent memory and "fall in line"? And that's just the beginning of the shit storm we're about to experience.

Seems as if my math goes way beyond your simplistic arithmetic of 3>0. Too bad it's going to take two more years for you to figure it all out. Now if you're done playing the cheerleader of the ignorant, can you kindly address the thread topic?


It seems Democrats have short memories. Let's see if I can help you out here...the outgoing Republican President George W. Bush was little more than a worldwide laughing stock, he left your country in financial tatters, angered fiscal conservatives at home and engaged in unpopular and unwinnable wars abroad. His time in office should have kept the Republicans unelectable for years, but fast forward into the middle of Obama's presidency and the country are desperate for them to get back in. Obama was elected upon an enormous wave of goodwill (not only in the U.S but elsewhere too) spreading the word about "change", but in record time he's managed to blow it.

In the context of recent history I would say 3 seats and a publicity campaign that has gone viral is a remarkable achievement. The reason they're becoming popular is because they're listening to the public and offering them what they want, unlike Obama with his "nanny knows best" attitude. The republicans needed the Teaparty to give them a kick up the ass, and it's worked.

So yes I'll take that 3:0 thank you very much, I'm glad you admitted that you were wrong.
 

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Tim Wise is a whiny, fucking putz ...

Also, I was actually behind the Tea Party AT THE VERY BEGINNING - when it was formed on the basis of cutting expenses and making taxation responsible. Unfortunately, the far right ass-raped it and swallowed it like the borg.
 

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It seems Democrats have short memories.

No... just you. :rolleyes:

the outgoing Republican President George W. Bush was little more than a worldwide laughing stock, he left your country in financial tatters, angered fiscal conservatives at home and engaged in unpopular and unwinnable wars abroad. His time in office should have kept the Republicans unelectable for years, but fast forward into the middle of Obama's presidency and the country are desperate for them to get back in. Obama was elected upon an enormous wave of goodwill (not only in the U.S but elsewhere too) spreading the word about "change", but in record time he's managed to blow it.

If that was true, then the GOP would control the House & the Senate right now and they don't. As I stated earlier, historically speaking NO party has managed to maintain complete control of Congress for more than one session. A shift to the right, especially in states where people tend to vote Conservative was inevitable. That was reflected in the House of Representatives last night. However, with the Senate remaining in Democratic control (and Harry Reid managing to win re-election even after an approval rating below 30% in a state with the highest unemployment rate), these claims about our nation running back to the way it once was is bullshit. If anything, the playing field is more leveled off. The House & the Senate still have to play ball together and with no super majority in the Senate to prevent the minority party from filibustering it means that the gains Republicans made, beyond the usual played out ideological imagery, were predictable and rather futile. Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill.

In the context of recent history I would say 3 seats and a publicity campaign that has gone viral is a remarkable achievement.

Talk about turning lemons into lemonade. :rolleyes:

The reason they're becoming popular is because they're listening to the public and offering them what they want, unlike Obama with his "nanny knows best" attitude.

No they're not. These politicians aren't listening to a damn thing. They avoid talking about the issues and do nothing but chirp rhetoric about fiscal conservatism & smaller government. Ever tried asking one of these Teapublicans about the specifics? About how they would improve the economy? Which programs they would cut? Beyond extreme ideologies such as privatizing Social Security and eliminating the Department of Education that will never happen, they don't say a word. That's because they have NOTHING to offer. But hey, as long as they keep yelling "lower taxes" and "stop spending" over and over again you can get the easily duped to believe you. Hell, most of them didn't even know what the minimum wage was but they were sure they wanted to lower or eliminate it!

Obama's two key mistakes were the miscommunication of the current administration's achievements and the fact that he tried too hard to work with people who vehemently tried to block everything going through Congress. The current administration has done major things to help progress the nation, especially for women, college students, families with children needing health care assistance, gays & lesbians, small business owners and war veterans. Alas, there wasn't a pretty catch phrase such as "lower taxes" or "stop spending" nor was their a false political movement attached to these actions.

The republicans needed the Teaparty to give them a kick up the ass, and it's worked.

The mass majority of Teapublicans were people who voted purely Conservative to begin with. In other words, the more extreme factions of an already existing party decided to play dress up and amp up their deflated fan base. The Tea Party is not and never will be a political movement. It'll never be its own political party. They will always run under the (R) because beyond their loud screams they are cowards who can't do anything on their own.

So yes I'll take that 3:0 thank you very much, I'm glad you admitted that you were wrong.

Considering there was at least ten candidates running for Senate under the Teapublican label and only three of them won, your 3:0 statistic is also completely inaccurate. Thank you for illustrating that you don't even understand your own arithmetic. :rolleyes:
 
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Tim Wise's writing was a piece of work. A little on the long side for the amount of substance, but he didn't mean to be concise. But yes, I think the basic math is going to screw Republicans for a very long time. And I actually think that the short-term tactical victories like yesterday's will prove more damaging to their cause in the long run. Yesterday relied on white senior citizens in more remote parts of the country voting passionately (I might call it fearfully) against a tide that terrifies them. But the tide is bigger than they are and if they really care about things, they need to figure out how to ride it instead of trying to block it.

This has happened before. In the 1840s and 1850s a lot of political and economic power was in the agrarian South. In the decades that preceded the American Civil War, Natchez, MS had more millionaires than New York. But the patterns of immigration, including the waves of Catholics and non-English speakers, combined with the Industrial Revolution meant that responding to the simple needs of planters was a role the U.S. Government had to outgrow. And in fact, by fighting that wave, the planters caused themselves great harm: how many millionaires live in Natchez these days?

I think every serious Conservative ought to really think through what they care about and where they are willing to compromise. I don't see the so-called Tea Party as offering more than an attempt to deny the hard realities of our current situation. Some things have to be sacrificed. Whether it is tax rates, defense spending, or some form of regulation, you have to pick a poison. To pretend that there is an eternal ethos in politics that offers powerful solutions is naive.

So, once the temper tantrum is over, what's the next act for the conservative movement or the Tea Party? Just remember, this might be your last chance to save your project.
 

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Tim Wise is a whiny, fucking putz ...

Also, I was actually behind the Tea Party AT THE VERY BEGINNING - when it was formed on the basis of cutting expenses and making taxation responsible. Unfortunately, the far right ass-raped it and swallowed it like the borg.
Please enlighten us,seeing you were there, exactly when and where and by who did the tea party begin?
 

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Please enlighten us,seeing you were there, exactly when and where and by who did the tea party begin?

For me, it was that moment on CNBC when Rick Santelli went on his rage about wasting money on the bail out and taxation, etc. I was inspired and excited to see someone cutting to the chase in a brave, outspoken manner. It was only a matter of weeks however that the churches and extreme far right elements grasped the movement and incorporate the anti-gay, anti-choice, etc. platform.
 

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most, but not all

don't know what it is, but Repubs in their 40s - 50s in their suits are, to me, ultra-sexy
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I've been wondering if you and other Conservatives/Republicans/Tea Partiers are aware of the top Republican politicians on the DL?

I know this might be OT, but I've always been curious about this. I know at least one 80+ year old gay man who thought secrecy in the past about being gay was really hot. Maybe Republican gays are more into gayness as an underground thing.
 

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I've been wondering if you and other Conservatives/Republicans/Tea Partiers are aware of the top Republican politicians on the DL?

only the ones in my fantasies

as a member of the Republican Central Committee I got to shake hands with some gubernatorial and Senate candidates

one, in particular, gave me an electric like charge as we shook hands; by the look on his face, it appeared that he felt it, as well (and, yes, a lot of people would have considered him hot)

but that's the closest I ever came to anything intimate with any of the top dogs ... :frown1:
 

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only the ones in my fantasies

as a member of the Republican Central Committee I got to shake hands with some gubernatorial and Senate candidates

one, in particular, gave me an electric like charge as we shook hands; by the look on his face, it appeared that he felt it, as well (and, yes, a lot of people would have considered him hot)

but that's the closest I ever came to anything intimate with any of the top dogs ... :frown1:

Interesting, I just wanted you to know that I have it on good authority that they are, if you pardon the pun, out there. As in guys that are on TV for the Republicans know their way around gay sex, but never own up to it in public.
 

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No they're not. These politicians aren't listening to a damn thing. They avoid talking about the issues and do nothing but chirp rhetoric about fiscal conservatism & smaller government. Ever tried asking one of these Teapublicans about the specifics? About how they would improve the economy? Which programs they would cut? Beyond extreme ideologies such as privatizing Social Security and eliminating the Department of Education that will never happen, they don't say a word. That's because they have NOTHING to offer. But hey, as long as they keep yelling "lower taxes" and "stop spending" over and over again you can get the easily duped to believe you. Hell, most of them didn't even know what the minimum wage was but they were sure they wanted to lower or eliminate it!


I must admit there is some truth in this statement. We've had the same thing over here, the Conservative party sort of based their campaign on cutting the deficit and the debt (although they weren't nearly as explicit as the Tea Partiers) but when it came to the spending review they actually decided to increase government spending year on year.

I don't know what the Tea Partiers would do if one of their number made it to office but at least they're saying the right things. The Conservatives too are saying the right things, which gives me hope. That's about as much as I can ask for!
 

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Vinyl, why you waste your time here ranting is beyond me. You claim to be intellectually superior with your responses to just about everyone else here. If you're so smart, why would you spend your time here complaining to a few people, half of who think you're full of yourself?

Ah well, you should be happy about the results, as it gives more fuel for your hatred of anything and anyone you feel is beneath you. Serious issues, you have.

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