The Supreme Court gets it wrong

Discussion in 'Politics' started by KimJong, Jun 29, 2009.

  1. KimJong

    KimJong New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2009
    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Montana
    Awww th poor white firefighters were discriminated against??? I think not. What type of weird decision is this? How many minorities are there in Conn. anyways? come on this just sets a bad example for the rest of the country that actually has problems such as Texas, Florida, Miss., and areas around New Orleans.
    It was a weird decision, very pointless, and does nothing to further along progress in America.
    The Supreme Court gets it wrong this time along with some other cases such as the Exon Valdez case amungst others.
    Hopefully some of those white fools along with that dumb ass black judge who votes against civil rights get bumpe off the court.
    The court needs to be much more multicultural. I welcome Sotomayor, and there needs to be a REAL black judge, not a fake @ss republican one.
    P.S. I am a white male
     
  2. B_VinylBoy

    B_VinylBoy New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2007
    Messages:
    10,516
    Likes Received:
    7
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Boston, MA / New York, NY
    Both sides of the argument make valid statements, even though I tend to favor institutions that not only focus on hiring the best talent but also pay attention to diversity of the workplace. It's a hard balance because either side is bound to complain.

    IMO, I think a public workplace should be as diverse as the population it represents (or at least close to it). We can use Census data based on state and/or city calculations, and encourage employers to have a employee roster that mimics it.
     
  3. houtx48

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2006
    Messages:
    7,095
    Likes Received:
    35
    Gender:
    Male
    i liked that Clarence was the only desenting judge on the question should you make a 13yo take all her clothes for a strip search over asprin at school, the rest of them said no but not long dong silver. Who said Miss Anita was lying?
     
  4. SEXXXX

    SEXXXX New Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2009
    Messages:
    312
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    1
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    NYC
    I think progress is the result of ability instead of color preference
     
  5. tripod

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2006
    Messages:
    5,249
    Albums:
    3
    Likes Received:
    459
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Statesville N.C.
    Either way... it is a definite wrench thrown in the process and gives serious ammunition to her detractors.

    The fucking case is ridiculous, it has always seemed like a joke to me. Nobody can see what was in the test anymore which is pure bullshit. Can we bnot see if the test was biased or not? Of course not... because then the case wouldn't be a fucking sick joke.

    How the fuck do you make a firefighting test that is preferential to whites?

    You can't unless you deliberately design it that way.

    What the hell is racial about firefighting?

    Not a damn thing... the case was a set up and Sotomayor fell for it hook line and sinker.

    She let her pride get in the way of saving her ass.

    She's fucked and will be withdrawn I do believe.
     
  6. Industrialsize

    Staff Member Moderator Gold Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2006
    Messages:
    24,276
    Albums:
    2
    Likes Received:
    2,093
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    United States
    I disagree, the Ricci decision was widely predicted to be overturned. It will make some interesting questioning during her confirmation hearings, but she will be ultimately confirmed.
     
  7. tripod

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2006
    Messages:
    5,249
    Albums:
    3
    Likes Received:
    459
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Statesville N.C.
    The Obama administration expected this? That's confusing... :confused:
     
  8. Zeuhl34

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2008
    Messages:
    2,104
    Albums:
    2
    Likes Received:
    40
    Gender:
    Male
    While this will give some ammunition to Sotomayor's detractors, I don't think it will cause much of a ruckus, and she will eventually be confirmed.
     
  9. BiggerInTexas8

    BiggerInTexas8 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2009
    Messages:
    145
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    TX
    hahahahahaha LMAO
     
  10. FantomX

    FantomX Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2008
    Messages:
    148
    Likes Received:
    26
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    In a van down by the river!
    How is the test biased? Latinos also passed the test. If you were in charge of a company, would you rather hire/promote the best suited for the job or someone the gov't forces you to hire/promote? Black, white, green... I don't care what color you are. If there is someone better suited for the position, they deserve the job more.
     
  11. Industrialsize

    Staff Member Moderator Gold Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2006
    Messages:
    24,276
    Albums:
    2
    Likes Received:
    2,093
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    United States
    Here is A short explanation of cultural bias on standardized tests. It exists:

    The Arena - Politico's daily debate with policymakers and opinion shapers | POLITICO.com
    Linda Sanchez, Rep. (D-Calif.):

    On the Ricci decision: "Buried in all the 'reverse racism' attacks Republicans are trying to cultivate is the fact that the promotion tests were flawed. The regatta question is nothing new in decades of critique of cultural bias. In fact, until recently, the SAT continued to use items about polo mallets, lacrosse, and regattas. How likely is a poor kid from the inner city to spend his or her weekend attending a regatta? I'll never forget taking one standardized test and being asked a question where the correct answer was; church: silence. Growing up on the west coast and attending masses where mariachi music filled the room, my church was anything but silent. Culturally-loaded tests don't reveal career potential but rather socio-economic class and background. No one should be surprised then when a city decides to throw out a test because only one type of person was able to pass......
     
  12. FantomX

    FantomX Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2008
    Messages:
    148
    Likes Received:
    26
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    In a van down by the river!
    That is truly a lame excuse... I never grew up around polo or lacrosse, but just because I am able to actually study for a test and prepare myself for it has nothing to do with what my race or socio-economic class.
     
    #12 FantomX, Jun 29, 2009
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2009
  13. D_Bob_Crotchitch

    D_Bob_Crotchitch New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2006
    Messages:
    8,498
    Likes Received:
    18
    I have seen the local fire fighters supervisor exam. Their is nothing in it that is remotely racely biased. It is all math calculations, and straight forward questions. If you can't pass it, you don't deserve the job. Now, we do have minority supervisors among the leadership. Is it because they studied, and they can read and write a properly structured sentence?
     
  14. sargon20

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2006
    Messages:
    11,368
    Likes Received:
    2,097
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Atlantis

    Nope. Not at all.
     
  15. B_VinylBoy

    B_VinylBoy New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2007
    Messages:
    10,516
    Likes Received:
    7
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Boston, MA / New York, NY
    Is there a link to this anywhere? I'm curious to see what the questions were like as well.
     
  16. b.c.

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2005
    Messages:
    9,251
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    1,657
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    at home

    Very good observation, VinylBoy. NO, no one qualified for a job promotion should be passed over or not promoted because of fears of challenges to the promotions (which in essence is what happened). It was highly unfair to those qualified white firefighters, and I agree with that position.

    From what I understand, blacks and Hispanics passed the test also. In fact the number of minorities who passed almost equalled the number of white firefighters who passed. The article went on to say, however, that of the 40 non-white firefighters who passed, only two Hispanics could expect promotion (along with 17 whites). There was no explanation as to why those particular numbers.

    This is where, I would think, other criteria (including as VinylBoy suggested, a desire for cultural diversity) should come into play when considering such promotions. The test should not be the only standard for such consideration.

    Nor should a desire for diversity be an impediment for one deserving of advancement. A difficult balance to attain, to be sure, but not impossible.
     
  17. D_Bob_Crotchitch

    D_Bob_Crotchitch New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2006
    Messages:
    8,498
    Likes Received:
    18
    I've only seen the actual tests. I helped one man study for it. It has questions like figuring water pressure, distance, psi, things of this nature.
     
  18. D_Bob_Crotchitch

    D_Bob_Crotchitch New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2006
    Messages:
    8,498
    Likes Received:
    18
    We will never reach the goal of Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream until all people are considered on the basis of their abilities and not on race, age, gender, religion or creed.
    If we go to percentage based systems, minority candidates who are the most qualified might not be hired simply because they had to hire someone else to fill a quota.
    I believe the best qualified person should receive the promotion. I don't care if you have 3 eyes in the middle of your forehead, and your daddy was Vulcan, I want the best person.
     
  19. b.c.

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2005
    Messages:
    9,251
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    1,657
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    at home
    It is indeed a dream, still, that we should ever strive to attain. To be neither advanced on the basis of the above, nor overlooked.
     
  20. Wyldgusechaz

    Wyldgusechaz New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2006
    Messages:
    1,259
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    I think you might be able to make an argument that a teacher position should have more diversity.

    I want the best firefighter based on objective tests. A single mistake would be horrific. Same with MDs.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted