Originally posted by DeeBlackthorne+Apr 22 2005, 04:33 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DeeBlackthorne @ Apr 22 2005, 04:33 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-madame_zora@Apr 22 2005, 03:50 PM
Some of the posters here enjoy a spirited debate with each other, and while i agree that it sometimes takes a while to come around to sensibility, we usually do. Those threads are easy enough to avoid if it's not your cup of tea.
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I think this is somewhat true, Zora, but this recent thread on the Pope brought about one dispiriting truth that needs to be addressed. It's one thing if two or more members can have an honest and thoughtful debate about a topic, even on some of the more controversial stuff. But what came of that thread in particular was this gang-up-bashing technique that really crossed the line. To be more specific, even if Nelson and Phoenix were plenty valid in their own differences about religion, Catholicism, and what have you, people started joining the frey, if for any reason than to support the guy that a member may personally like, often adding comments that did nothing to feed the original (and thoughtful) debate that happened in the first place.
It may have went something like this:
N: I am glad that Catholicism is moving toward a better position with a new Pope at the helm.
P: I'm discouraged by Catholicism itself, much less any organized religion because it hurts and discredits a lot of people for things they can't control.
N: Intriguing. But not all Catholicism is like that and...
P: Oh yeah? Well, religion sucks!
N: How uncouth!
P: No, YOU shut the fuck up!
(squabbling)
A (friend of P): Well, he's cute and he's entitled to what he's got to say.
B (friend of P): Yeah, so shove it!
N: You're all immature!
X (friend of N): Seriously! Grow the fuck up!
(more squabbling)
And what were we fighting about again? Oh, that's right. We lost it way back on page 2.
I guess I feel justified in adding to db03's original remark because, as I had learned, quite a few people were feeling really knocked down in that fight. Catholicism became insulted more than anything else, and to our members who strongly adhere to that faith, they too became attacked. It's one thing to say "Don't read it if you don't like it," but simply leaving it at that means, you know, you can just say whatever the hell you want and without whim or mercy because you don't owe any decency to anyone on the board.
Is that the impression you want to leave while posting? That "free speech" means it's perfectly okay to say whatever you want, about whichever you wish, even if it really hurts someone's feelings on the inside?
Don't get me wrong. I know I've said bad things too, but situations like this are ripe for a learning opportunity. The fact is, there were several members around here who were willing to leave the LPSG for good because they saw just quickly and easily threads could degenerate around here AND that people were just ganging up and attacking one another without realizing there was a whole different group out there who really felt isolated and chastized. And as much as I appreciate a fair bit of "fleshpiling" and "cliquishness" around here -- we all need friends and gropes, yeah -- it was getting to be a bit extreme. And when it drives people away, then that's a bit of a problem we can ALL agree on. Don't you think so?
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