The Tories say..

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  1. Levi

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    They are going to do all these wonderous things. but they never say how they are going to do them which is basically stop all public spending, close hospitals and schools and lower standards all round, hurrah!!!

    BBC News - Tories say they will give people more control

    with a bit of luck they will be able to reduce us to a third world country and a call centre for emerging empires such as india and china within a couple of years.
     
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    But the Socialists have achieved those things already,and dragged us into a war we didn't want costing billions AND sold off our gold reserves at their lowest price etc etc etc.Yes please I'll have more of that!!
     
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    Your country is doing just fine when compared to the rest of the world.

    Yes, you guys got dragged into a war but have much less blood on your hands and have at the very least been an example of how to fight intelligently to the U.S. forces. You haven't spent anywhere near the money that the U.S. has spent and haven't lost nearly as many lives.

    Hell, it's great to get involved in a war but not get in too deep. It keeps your fighting forces in top shape and doesn't cost much in treasure or blood.

    Plus, the pound is doing very well against the Euro and the dollar.

    You guys have it better than you think that you do. I just hope that we don't take y'all down when we finally collapse here in several years...
     
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    The pound isn't doing too hot now. It's been as high as 2 dollars to the pound, but I think it's now somewhere around $1.50. That's a big drop. UK has more debt as a % of GDP than does the US. They're in deep doo doo too.
     
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    Much of the macroeconomic policy will be the same whoever is in charge. There must be reductions in the debt. The rule of thumb with any country, anwhere, any politics is that you have to do this about 20% through increased tax and 80% through public sector cuts. If you increase tax more than about 20% you kill the recovery (and trying to target taxes on certain groups is not particularly effective).

    The problem is how the markets will react. They will have no confidence in a hung parliament. Hung parliaments cause uncertainty and markets hate uncertainty. The uncertainty risks our credit rating and could well tip us into a debt spiral.

    By contrast markets will respond well to a Conservative government.

    Right now £1 at $1.50 is much where it has been for 30 years. The range is perhaps $1.30-$1.80 - I know we touched $2 briefly, but that was very short lived. If we get a Conservative government we should avoid a debt spiral and there is a good future for the UK. Who knows maybe we will see $2 again! The problem is if the credit rating agencies decide the risks associated with a hung parliament are enough to downgrade Britain - in which case we're in deep trouble. Hung parliament spells poverty for Britain, and that will hurt the poorest most, it always does.
     
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    Tories will make false economies. We are still pretending to be a world power and spend billions trying to prove it. Liberals and Labour are no different. The ruling elite will scupper real financial reform. The poor as always carry the burden of taxation (low pay is a form of inequitable tax) but you try and cut high court judge's, hospital managers, chief constable's inflated salaries and they will bring governments down. More corruption in UK today than in the 18th century. Vote for the morality and honesty of the candidate, not for his/her politics.
     
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    That's not such a bad idea.
     
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    Tee hee, you said hung:biggrin1:
     
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    You know, being an American citizen, I don't know how much water my opinion carries, but a good start would be getting rid of the monarchy. The idea that anyone deserves to be head of state because of his/her birth is repugnant really.
     
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    She's a figurehead. Not a head of government, just a head of state.

    Also, this is somewhat ironic, coming from a country that had a father-son presidency seperated by only one guy.
     
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    The Queen is Head of State,head of the Armed Forces,head of the Church of England and head of the Commonwealth and is there by the will of the people!!!
     
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    What socialists? We dont have a Socialist party anymore. Did SWP gain power?
     
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    As someone said, she's there by the will of the ppl. It gives the UK a sense of occasion and history - that draws in a lot of tourists. Plus she does actually contribute a fair amount to the treasury (and not just in tourism).

    I'm slightly worried at the Tories ability to deliver on their promises. A stable changeover with moderate, sensible economic changes to reduce gov spending/debt would be my favoured approach.

    I've resented a lot of Labour's recent policies, especially in terms of the economy and Europe - but I guess their experience counts in their favour. It seems like a bit of a gamble voting Tory - but I'm still slightly in their favour...but only just. Would also want them back in the EPP - not because I agree with their policies, but because of the connections/influence, which would (imo) make it easier to achieve our aims in terms of our EU relationship.
     
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    To be honest, I don't trust the Tories. Saying that, I don't trust Labour either. They've been in power too long and it's never a good thing for one party to have too many terms in power. I think it's definitely time we had a change in government, but I've a horrible feeling that the Tories would screw things up even more than Labour already have. At least with Labour, you know what to expect, and I just can't bring myself to put any faith in David Cameron. He's just to slick and slippery.

    I'm not sure that a hung parliament would be such a bad thing after all. It would certainly be interesting to see what would happen if the LibDems actually had some real influence in the running of the country. I must admit I'm coming round more and more to the idea of a Labour government with a LibDem chancellor. OK, the markets might suffer a bit of a blip, but I think it would soon get back to business as usual. Saying that, I'm not sure how the economy would take to a blip in the market, so...
     
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    I don't trust any of them, whatever happens there has to be some cuts, we are deluding ourselves otherwise. Councils, schools, hospitals, etc etc.

    Public services employ close to 6 million, that is 6 million voters, so no party is going to say we are cutting your budgets.... what about their pension deficits?

    Yet again, the private sector has to bear the brunt of the public sector waste and that means higher taxes for all, whether this is direct taxation or indirect it's going to happen. Has to happen!

    Walk past any public building at night the lights are on but nobody's at home! (that applies all the time) Were paying for that waste! Are all the jobs necessary or just desirable....these are the decisions the next shower of theives have to decide.
     
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    That's what I said...."head of state". I never said head of government. I was quite careful with my words. How is it in any way ironic? They were (ostensibly) free elections. Why don't you have a referendum on whether to keep the coddled royal family?
     
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    I can see I've touched a nerve. Interesting. Britain will go on with or without a king/queen.
     
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    Don't worry dude. We just like sticking up for the Royals, even tho we criticise them all the time, ourselves. :wink: :biggrin1:
     
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    Advantages of the monarchy:

    1) It is cheap. Far, far cheaper than the presidential system in the US, or a presidential system in France (which is a country of similar size).

    2) Most of the people most of the time are pretty happy with what the Queen does. Very few presidents enjoy such popularity.

    3) She actually does a pretty good job because she has been around for ages. Is there any president who has half a century of experience, of knowledge of the movers and shakers, of the secrets of a nation?

    4) Selecting a head of state at random (by accident of birth) on average leads to a much better head of state than a selectionprocess. People who actually want the job of head of state are among the least suitable for it. They are typically coniving back-stabbers up to their ears in gutter politics.

    5) The Queen unifies the four home countries and the Commonwealth.
     
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