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Yep I grasp that it's on going. What I don't grasp is him not officially charging anyone thus far with collusion. If he had evidence of collusion he'd have already charged someone with it.

Collusion is not a specific crime. If he is still collecting evidence, he can't file a charge. Already the list of guilty pleas and convictions is long and close to Trump. There remains a high likelihood that the Trump kids are looking at multiple charges at the Federal AND separate state level. This isn't an episode of Matlock.
 
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Collusion is not a specific crime. If he is still collecting evidence, he can't file a charge. Already the list of guilty pleas and convictions is long and close to Trump. There remains a high likelihood that the Trump kids are looking at multiple charges at the Federal AND separate state level. This isn't an episode of Matlock.

Often it's not the crime itself as you know but the cover-up. Trump commits obstruction of justice daily in-your-face kind. It's as blatant as the orange tone to his skin. He rants constantly that "his attorney general" isn't protecting him. Trump thinks Sessions is supposed to be his consigliere.
 

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Collusion is not a specific crime. If he is still collecting evidence, he can't file a charge. Already the list of guilty pleas and convictions is long and close to Trump. There remains a high likelihood that the Trump kids are looking at multiple charges at the Federal AND separate state level. This isn't an episode of Matlock.

The Russians were trying to help us during the 2016 Presidential election. They were only looking after the best interests of The Grand Ole' Party. Really, they just wanted the Family Values Party to take America back and make it great again. That's all. Russia is just getting all this heat because they wanted what is best for this country. How dare the Liberals? How dare the Independents? How dare these anti-Trumpskis? Put Russian first and then the USA. That's called American patriotism at its finest.
 
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The Russians were trying to help us during the 2016 Presidential election. They were only looking after the best interests of The Grand Ole' Party. Really, they just wanted the Family Values Party to take America back and make it great again. That's all. Russia is just getting all this heat because they wanted what is best for this country. How dare the Liberals? How dare the Independents? How dare these anti-Trumpskis? Put Russian first and then the USA. That's called American patriotism at its finest.

Bill Maher nails it.

Bill Maher: Race Explains Shift From Party Of Reagan To Party Of Putin
 
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It sounds like Carson's personal 'upward mobility' program. No degree? No experience? No expertise? Perfect, here's another $25,000. Perhaps you would also like to have lunch with me at my $30,000 dining table to celebrate.

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development awarded promotions and pay increases to five political operatives with no housing policy experience within their first months on the job, demonstrating what government watchdogs and career staff describe as a premium put on loyalty over expertise.

The raises, documented in a Washington Post analysis of HUD political hires, resulted in annual salaries between $98,000 and $155,000 for the five appointees, all of whom had worked on Donald Trump’s or Ben Carson’s presidential campaigns. Three of them did not list bachelor’s degrees on their résumés.

Ben Carson’s HUD: Political loyalty required, no experience necessary
 

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Collusion is not a specific crime. If he is still collecting evidence, he can't file a charge. Already the list of guilty pleas and convictions is long and close to Trump. There remains a high likelihood that the Trump kids are looking at multiple charges at the Federal AND separate state level. This isn't an episode of Matlock.


Fine we'll use the word conspiracy which is what Manafort was charged with against the Justice department and the Treasury department. To be technical I suppose.
 

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Trump declassified the Russia probe material - because - (are you surprised?) - Trump Ordered the Release of Sensitive Intelligence at Sean Hannity’s Request

There isn't any evidence that Trump declassified the FISA request documents because Sean Hannity told him to. Read the following carefully.

Buck Sexton: Have you reviewed the memos yourself? What do you expect them to show, if so?

President Trump: I have not reviewed them. I have been asked by many people in Congress as you know to release them. I have watched commentators that I respect begging the president of the United States to release them….I have been asked by so many people that I respect, please — the great Lou Dobbs, the great Sean Hannity, the wonderful great Jeanie Pirro.

So many people in congress - MANY CONGRESSMEN
so many people that I respect - MANY PEOPLE
and then there are the names: Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity and Jeanie Pirro

The truth is that Trump ordered the FISA request documents to be declassified because the public has a right to know THE TRUTH. But primarily it is because he knows that he is innocent and that congress deserves the right to know what kind of malfeasance the Justice Department has been up to.

Heads will fucking roll when it gets declassified. The only reason the Democrats are trying to block the declassification is because they know that the jig is up.

We're dealing with "Friendly Fascism." Wake up, 'Merica!

There is no way on earth that greater government transparency can lead to fascism. The declassification of simple FISA warrent requests is a GOOD thing for the American people. Daylight is always the best disinfectant.

It's the other way around.

Increased government secrecy is necessary in order for fascism to flourish
 

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There isn't any evidence that Trump declassified the FISA request documents because Sean Hannity told him to. Read the following carefully.

Buck Sexton: Have you reviewed the memos yourself? What do you expect them to show, if so?

President Trump: I have not reviewed them. I have been asked by many people in Congress as you know to release them. I have watched commentators that I respect begging the president of the United States to release them….I have been asked by so many people that I respect, please — the great Lou Dobbs, the great Sean Hannity, the wonderful great Jeanie Pirro.

So many people in congress - MANY CONGRESSMEN
so many people that I respect - MANY PEOPLE
and then there are the names: Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity and Jeanie Pirro

The truth is that Trump ordered the FISA request documents to be declassified because the public has a right to know THE TRUTH. But primarily it is because he knows that he is innocent and that congress deserves the right to know what kind of malfeasance the Justice Department has been up to.

Heads will fucking roll when it gets declassified. The only reason the Democrats are trying to block the declassification is because they know that the jig is up.



There is no way on earth that greater government transparency can lead to fascism. The declassification of simple FISA warrent requests is a GOOD thing for the American people. Daylight is always the best disinfectant.

It's the other way around.

Increased government secrecy is necessary in order for fascism to flourish

I don't have an issue with the declassification AFTER the investigation is over. It's not. This is a direct attempt to undermine it and distract from the issues on the table. In any investigation it is silly to reveal information and sources before all the evidence is gathered, evaluated and proved.
 

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What they are trying to ask for is "discovery" before they are even even charged with a crime

Anyone who has ever watched Law&Order or the movie The Lincoln Lawyer knows that discovery happens AFTER the criminal has been charged NOT before.
 

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Trump is gifted at deceiving people who cannot think for themselves. It's become a personality cult with his base - nothing much to do with policy these days (except the super rich and big corporations who want to hold onto those big tax breaks [understable to some degree as people will easily sell their souls for money|.

Trumpski has insulted every one in the world save Putin. I wonder why. I mean, Putin loves the US more than John McCain did. Trumpski loves them patriots. He respects our flag so much that he raised it prematurely from half mast to respect one of 'Merica's finest war heros. Congrats! Trumpski doesn't like soldiers who've been captured, even though he dodged the draft 5 times. What an American patriot!

If Trumpski were left to his own devices, he'd rule this country like Putin rules Russia. No doubt about it. A truly bad apple. Dangerous. Tragic.

I love Right Wing logic: Nothing has yet come out after a year of investigation. So we can now proclaim that Trump didn't conspire with the Russian on any level.

We don't know nada about what Mueller has on Trump - I mean nada.

It's highly peculiar that so many people around Trump have criminal ties to Putin.
 

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His word is just as good and hers. Both witness's she's cited said it didn't happen.
And other witnesses said it DID, or they heard talk of it for weeks. If Kavanaugh is so INNOCENT, then why has he been spending weeks at the WH (supposedly being kept apart from Trump - if anyone actually BELIEVES that BULLSHIT) being prepped and COACHED by Republican shills in an apparent attempt to get his fkn "facts" straight??

Kavanaugh: I will attend Monday hearing 'so that I can clear my name'

Meanwhile the GOOD OL' BOYS CLUB of all men are scrambling to find a female tok... er... representative to do their DIRTY work because they now know how SHITTY they look by having an all male committee.

Of course shit like that happens because conservative voters, including GOP women, continue to put those sorts into office. Stands to reason that if they (the GOP) fuck over you and you reward them by putting them in office, they're going to naturally ASSUME you don't mind being fucked OVER.


Yale Law dean: Reports that professor groomed female clerks for Kavanaugh 'of enormous concern'
But most are not duped by these fkrs duplicity:


Poll: More Americans oppose Kavanaugh confirmation than support it
 

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And other witnesses said it DID, or they heard talk of it for weeks. If Kavanaugh is so INNOCENT, then why has he been spending weeks at the WH (supposedly being kept apart from Trump - if anyone actually BELIEVES that BULLSHIT) being prepped and COACHED by Republican shills in an apparent attempt to get his fkn "facts" straight??

Kavanaugh: I will attend Monday hearing 'so that I can clear my name'

Meanwhile the GOOD OL' BOYS CLUB of all men are scrambling to find a female tok... er... representative to do their DIRTY work because they now know how SHITTY they look by having an all male committee.

Of course shit like that happens because conservative voters, including GOP women, continue to put those sorts into office. Stands to reason that if they (the GOP) fuck over you and you reward them by putting them in office, they're going to naturally ASSUME you don't mind being fucked OVER.


Yale Law dean: Reports that professor groomed female clerks for Kavanaugh 'of enormous concern'
But most are not duped by these fkrs duplicity:


Poll: More Americans oppose Kavanaugh confirmation than support it


You really should look at other more centrist news as opposed to all that left wing gibberish that you thrive on.

Her class mate said she couldn't say it happened and she couldn't say it didn't. Well if she wasn't there she can say that she didn't see it happen.because she would have no way of knowing first hand whether it did or didn't. Anything thing that she heard is hear say!
 

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You really should look at other more centrist news as opposed to all that left wing gibberish that you thrive on.

Her class mate said she couldn't say it happened and she couldn't say it didn't. Well if she wasn't there she can say that she didn't see it happen.because she would have no way of knowing first hand whether it did or didn't. Anything thing that she heard is hear say!
More people say they knew about it than didn't. She asked for an investigation (you know, that thing that Orrin Hatch used to be in favor of for matters such as this) and the GOP doesn't want one.

Hearsay was fine with the GOP in certain cases but now you pretend to be above it all? BULLSHIT!!
 

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What they are trying to ask for is "discovery" before they are even even charged with a crime

Anyone who has ever watched Law&Order or the movie The Lincoln Lawyer knows that discovery happens AFTER the criminal has been charged NOT before.

Not really discovery, it's a simple declassification of the FISA warrant request for Carter Page. There should be nothing to hide. If the warrant was filed with sufficient evidence, then there shouldn't be any problem. One side claims that the dirty dossier was used as the primary source for the evidence put forward to secure the FISA warrant, the other side said that there was other more important evidence...both sides have seen it but can only tell us what they've seen from memory as they had a limited time to survey the documents.

this has the potential to expose the FISA court as the ILLEGAL rubber stamping operation that it truly fucking is.

I'm tired of the Justice Department feeling like it is above the goddamn constitution... it most certainly is not.