The trump presidency

[malakos]

Notice the absolute silence from the Reich Wing

I wonder what you're going to be saying once the Alt-Right actually becomes big and starts to carry some weight on the Right.

 

[Industrialsize]

I wonder what you're going to be saying once the Alt-Right actually becomes big and starts to carry some weight on the Right.

In your opinion, would this be a good development?

 

[chrisrobin]

With more generals in the West Wing than civilians is this a cause for concern - or just an extension of the presidents love of uniforms, medals and anything shiny?

 

[malakos]

In your opinion, would this be a good development?

That's hard to say... It would be easier to answer if I drew the hypothetical out a little further. I suppose, if you're wondering if I think it would be good if their influence became so great that they could actually push a White Nationalist agenda? Well, I haven't been able to figure how their White ethnostate idea could be enacted without a full blown humanitarian crisis, so I would be inclined to say that things developing that far down said track would not be a good development.

I think the (mainstream) Right could learn some things from them, but the fullness of their vision (which, not many are acutely aware of) is too extreme for me to think they should be allowed to acquire real power.

Which, come to think of it, is kinda similar to what I say about Marxism. It's good that we've been learning some things from Marx, but overall his vision had a few too many flaws and was too extreme to be a track we should want to go down.

 

[Industrialsize]

That's hard to say... It would be easier to answer if I drew the hypothetical out a little further. I suppose, if you're wondering if I think it would be good if their influence became so great that they could actually push a White Nationalist agenda? Well, I haven't been able to figure how their White ethnostate idea could be enacted without a full blown humanitarian crisis, so I would be inclined to say that things developing that far down said track would not be a good development.

I think the (mainstream) Right could learn some things from them, but the fullness of their vision (which, not many are acutely aware of) is too extreme for me to think they should be allowed to acquire real power.

Which, come to think of it, is kinda similar to what I say about Marxism. It's good that we've been learning some things from Marx, but overall his vision had a few too many flaws and was too extreme to be a track we should want to go down.

Would you like them to be able to enact their "white ethnostate"?

 

[malakos]

Would you like them to be able to enact their "white ethnostate"?

I said that I can't imagine how that could be enacted without a humanitarian crisis (perhaps catastrophe might be a good word), at least in highly mixed societies like the USA. So I don't think it would be a good development. I don't believe the trend will develop that far down the track, and I'm glad for that.

I legitimately do care more about human dignity and value than the average ARer would appear to. It may surprise you (though doesn't surprise me) that some of them are actually pro-choice, as they are encouraged by the disproportionality of non-Whites who get abortions.

 

[Industrialsize]

I said that I can't imagine how that could be enacted without a humanitarian crisis (perhaps catastrophe might be a good word), at least in highly mixed societies like the USA. So I don't think it would be a good development. I don't believe the trend will develop that far down the track, and I'm glad for that.

I legitimately do care more about human dignity and value than the average ARer would appear to. It may surprise you (though doesn't surprise me) that some of them are actually pro-choice, as they are encouraged by the disproportionality of non-Whites who get abortions.

Why would someone want to enact a white ethnostate?

 

[malakos]

Why would someone want to enact a white ethnostate?

To put it very basically: 1) their race is of utmost important to them (Richard Spencer has a slogan: "Race is real. Race matters. Race is the foundation of identity.), 2) they believe that the White race is under dire existential threat by various forces (Jews, Neo-Marxists, globalists, etc) seeking to destroy or subjugate it, that 3) the low White birth rate is caused by the corresponding lack of security because of Whites supposedly having no land for their themselves, and that 4) as a solution to the problems of #2 and #3, establishing a White ethnostate will give Whites a chance to protect themselves from their enemies and thereby also encourage a revival of reproduction and family life.

 

[Industrialsize]

To put it very basically: 1) their race is of utmost important to them (Richard Spencer has a slogan: "Race is real. Race matters. Race is the foundation of identity.), 2) they believe that the White race is under dire existential threat by various forces (Jews, Neo-Marxists, globalists, etc) seeking to destroy or subjugate it, that 3) the low White birth rate is caused by the corresponding lack of security because of Whites supposedly having no land for their themselves, and that 4) as a solution to the problems of #2 and #3, establishing a White ethnostate will give Whites a chance to protect themselves from their enemies and thereby also encourage a revival of reproduction and family life.

Do you believe numbers 2 and 3?

 

[Chrysippus]

Which, come to think of it, is kinda similar to what I say about Marxism. It's good that we've been learning some things from Marx, but overall his vision had a few too many flaws and was too extreme to be a track we should want to go down.

--Excerpted from Texas High School Essays of 2015

 

[malakos]

Do you believe numbers 2 and 3?

Not exactly, but I it would be a lie for me to say I see zero truth there.

I do believe there is a conspiracy to subvert Western civilization and I do to some extent see eye to eye on the identification of the forces behind it (no, I do not buy the narrative of innate enmity with the Jews). However, as I said, they regard our race as something of primary importance, and so their only concern seemingly in countering this agenda is protecting the White race. My concerns, particularly when it comes to globalism, extend far beyond my race, to all (loyal) citizens of Western countries, and on a broader level even to all of humanity.

As for #3, I think it's a way over simplistic evaluation of the problem. I think over the past several decades there has been a long trend of devaluing family and child rearing among Westerners, and the real solution to this is cultural reformation. Even if their vision of a White ethnostate could be accomplished, I don't see how it would resolve the cultural shift that caused the problem. The only extent to which I see eye to eye with the AR on this one is being concerned with low birth rates among members of our race, but beyond that there isn't much similarity in perspective as far as I've seen.

 

[Industrialsize]

Not exactly, but I it would be a lie for me to say I see zero truth there.

I do believe there is a conspiracy to subvert Western civilization and I do to some extent see eye to eye on the identification of the forces behind it (no, I do not buy the narrative of innate enmity with the Jews). However, as I said, they regard our race as something of primary importance, and so their only concern seemingly in countering this agenda is protecting the White race. My concerns, particularly when it comes to globalism, extend far beyond my race, to all (loyal) citizens of Western countries, and on a broader level even to all of humanity.

As for #3, I think it's a way over simplistic evaluation of the problem. I think over the past several decades there has been a long trend of devaluing family and child rearing among Westerners, and the real solution to this is cultural reformation. Even if their vision of a White ethnostate could be accomplished, I don't see how it would resolve the cultural shift that caused the problem. The only extent to which I see eye to eye with the AR on this one is being concerned with low birth rates among members of our race, but beyond that there isn't much similarity in perspective as far as I've seen.

Who is behind and responsible for this conspiracy to subvert western culture?

 

[Max_Polo]

Oh.... Oh no.

That's just, oh no.

And not nearly as funny as some of the other possibilities.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

 

[deleted15807]

Who is behind and responsible for this conspiracy to subvert western culture?

Good question. The answer should be interesting if you even get one.

I wonder what you're going to be saying once the Alt-Right actually becomes big and starts to carry some weight on the Right.

Actually malakos they've albeit under a different banner, carried weight since the democrats enacted the Civil Rights laws in the 1960s and the south has gone red since. Lean government and low taxes give no one boners except the rich so in order to sell their schlop conservatives had to pander to the racists and theocrats to win. And I have to give credit where credit is do and it's worked fantastically since then.

 

[deleted15807]

Trump’s malignant pattern: He woos people, rips them off and then abandons them — and he won’t stop
Trump has followed the same manipulative script over and over again, in politics as in business.

 

[chrisrobin]

The very interesting thing about this speech was the applause Trumper got when he said it was ok to bash heads when getting suspects in the car, knock them about a bit - from a very very WHITE lot of cops!

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

The very interesting thing about this speech was the applause Trumper got when he said it was ok to bash heads when getting suspects in the car, knock them about a bit - from a very very WHITE lot of cops!

Interesting isn't the word I'd use...

Disgusting sounds better in my head. But that's just me (and likely other people who have a sense of humanity)

 

[Industrialsize]

MAKE YOUR WORKPLACE DANGEROUS AGAIN!

Under Trump, Worker
Protections Are Viewed
With New Skepticism
There’s a relaxation in the approach to occupational
safety and business is getting a bigger voice, while
hard-won victories for safety advocates are being reversed.

The victory was so sweet that the head of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration sent thank-you notes to his employees.

Nearly four decades in the making, a new rule under the Obama administration was set to lower workplace exposure to beryllium, an industrial mineral linked to a lung disease that is to estimated to kill 100 people annually. And the nation’s largest beryllium producer had agreed to back the new restrictions.

“Once we finish, these workers will be protected and we will end the epidemic of beryllium exposure in the United States,” David Michaels, the OSHA chief, said at the time in 2015.

But several weeks ago, just as the rule was going into effect, the safety agency suddenly proposed changes that experts expect may exempt major industries from the tougher standard. It was one of several instances in which workplace safety decisions have been revisited in the early months of the Trump administration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/05/...n=latest&contentPlacement=3&pgtype=collection

 

[chrisrobin]

MAKE YOUR WORKPLACE DANGEROUS AGAIN!

Under Trump, Worker
Protections Are Viewed
With New Skepticism
There’s a relaxation in the approach to occupational
safety and business is getting a bigger voice, while
hard-won victories for safety advocates are being reversed.

The victory was so sweet that the head of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration sent thank-you notes to his employees.

Nearly four decades in the making, a new rule under the Obama administration was set to lower workplace exposure to beryllium, an industrial mineral linked to a lung disease that is to estimated to kill 100 people annually. And the nation’s largest beryllium producer had agreed to back the new restrictions.

“Once we finish, these workers will be protected and we will end the epidemic of beryllium exposure in the United States,” David Michaels, the OSHA chief, said at the time in 2015.

But several weeks ago, just as the rule was going into effect, the safety agency suddenly proposed changes that experts expect may exempt major industries from the tougher standard. It was one of several instances in which workplace safety decisions have been revisited in the early months of the Trump administration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/05/business/under-trump-worker-protections-are-viewed-with-new-skepticism.html?rref=collection/seriescollection/trump-rules-regulations&action=click&contentCollection=politics&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=3&pgtype=collection

Just look to see the major industries that will benefit from the relaxed rules, look to see if there are less than six degrees of separation from Trumps White Wing Administration Team.
To be more precise its about who will win big time and fuck the losers - or as Donny would put it "my people"