The trump presidency

[rbkwp]

 

[malakos]

sargon20, I tried posting this numerous time with the quote function, but the formatting kept getting messed up and making the quotes invisible, so I'll just use quotation marks instead. It's also more than 10,000 character, so I have to break it up into 2 parts.

Part 1:


"All members of the same club just different factions that view the bogus idea of "race" as a valid way to categorize homo sapiens into discrete groups."

"Discrete" is not a term that I used or would use. I understand the scientific findings on the matter. There are not sharp separations along the lines of racial categories. Furthermore, the level of collective variations in genes between one grouping and another is quite small, especially compared to the level of in-group variation. However, there are clusterings of genetic groups roughly along the lines of more academic systems of racial categories, and it is simply dishonest to say that there is no organized variations between these groups. This truth has been acknowledged even by the likes of Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris.

To suggest that such a position is akin to advocating for genocide is outrageous.


""Race is real. Race matters. Race is the foundation of identity." according to white supremacist Richard Spencer.
"Not exactly, but I it would be a lie for me to say I see zero truth there." your response to do you believe it."

That is a misreading of the sequence of posts.

Industrialsize asked me why someone would want to enact a White ethnostate. I provided a 4 part basic explanation of the line of thinking. What you just quoted here was from point #1. Industrialsize then asked me if I agree with points #2 and #3. In my response to that I said "Not exactly, but I it would be a lie for me to say I see zero truth there." So a fair and logical reading of the sequence would recognize that my response was not in regard to point #1. Furthermore, if you took a charitable view of my post, there's reason to suspect that I bolded "utmost" as an expression of disagreement with the centrality of race in the Alt-Right's ideology.


"So you're not a white supremacist you just like I said like to play footsies with them."

For one thing, as I showed in my other post, numerous MSM outlets have stated explicitly that the truly accurate terminology for the Alt-Right's ideology is White nationalist, not White supremacist. I understand that you don't care about such distinctions, but I would argue that's because you just want to read evil and deception into anyone who disagrees with you in this matter.

As for playing footsies with the AR? No, I held my beliefs on race (which only overlap with the AR to a small extent) before I was aware of them. And as I said, I oppose their vision of a White ethnostate. I don't believe it could be accomplished in a moral manner given the conditions of our mixed society. So I'm not sure where this idea of "playing footsies" come in?


"The kind of "racial hygiene" you appear to want"

I don't recall using that phrase. I have not expressed support for imposed eugenics, and that's because I morally disagree with imposed eugenics.


"in your desire to preserve your "europid bloodline" is just one step away from supremacy."

That had nothing to do with eugenics (eugenics is broadly about seeking to preserve superior traits in numerous areas) and simply to do with wanting to, with respect to my acknowledgement of the truth that there is some reality to race, preserve my race rather than allowing it to totally dissolve in mixture with other races. The consequence of this would simply be that Europids become a little more conservative about mating with our own, at least until we can be sure that we won't become extinct. That is an individual and cultural responsibility. It has nothing to do with the ideology of eugenics or any sort of political imposition.

 

[malakos]

Part 2:


"You know a lot about white supremacist Richard Spencer and the next question is why is that?"

I follow a number of personalities on the Right, especially those that are around my age. He's just one of many. It's not like he's at the top of my list of thinkers I have regard for. If you want an example, I actually find myself agreeing with Ben Shapiro far more often than Richard Spencer. But I don't have qualms about listening to thinkers I disagree with. Sometimes they catch my ear because they sound particularly original or well thought out. I first encountered Mr. Spencer via the reporting on the National Policy Institute (the think tank he leads) convention last year. Pretty much all I saw were a couple minutes surrounding the Roman salutes, and it struck me as bizarre and I just mentally dismissed him for a while. Then I heard this interview on the radio:

https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/a-frank-conversation-with-a-white-nationalist/

I was simply impressed by the manner in which Mr. Spencer conducted himself and the clear and thoughtful way in which he explained his perspective. So I gave him another chance and looked him up and found this is more the norm for him. I appreciate him as a speaker and I grapple with what he has to say. It's simply unfair for you to suggest that the consequence of this is that I have broad agreement with him. I understand how limited our perspectives as individuals are, so I make a point of challenging myself with different views. Sometimes that leads to some adoption of what I formerly rejected. Sometimes it leads to a synthesis wear I see a glimmer of truth that needs to be parsed out and incorporated into my own differing beliefs.

Actually, the most weighty sort of rethinking I've been doing the past couple years has not been in favor of race-based politics, but actually with respect to liberalism. As I've tried to convey in a number of my posts, the strongest influence in my drift towards the Right (that has been going on for the past 13-15 years) has been traditionalist conservatism (along the vein of classical Toryism). This inclination naturally lends to a not-quite-fascist approach to the organization of society. So I used to be considerably more authoritarian. Doing some digging into the Enlightenment and classical liberal philosophy, and relating that to recent challenges to freedom of speech, my perspective has shifted a lot, and I have actually come to appreciate our classical tradition of liberties. Though I have shifted towards favoring classical liberalism to a far greater extent than White nationalism, the former doesn't get overtly addressed in the mainstream as often, so naturally there's not as much opportunity for me to be expressing my views on it.


"What do you find appealing about his views?"

Specifically? I actually don't find too many of his specific beliefs particularly appealing. I skimmed an article he published on Radix on abortion a couple months back. I'm of the belief that all persons of all races are human (as opposed to theories of subhumanity) and that humans by nature are of great value. Humans also carry certain basic natural rights that must not be infringed upon. One of those rights is the right of one's life not being taken (by homicide). So naturally I'm opposed to elective abortions for all groups of humans. Mr. Spencer, however, wrote an appalling article in which he basically said that White people are of immense value and therefore we certainly should not have abortions (except perhaps in the case of severe defects), but perhaps persons other races having them isn't so bad. After all, according to them it serves as a stop valve in overwhelming the White population.

He's actually not my favorite thinker on the Alt-Right. But to answer your question more directly, basically what I find appealing is with respect most basic level of his ethos: dismissing White guilt, taking pride in our race again, learning to value our heritage (no, not all of it, but overall), and seeking to preserve it. As I've already said numerous times, I do not agree with his vision of what exactly preserving our race should look like.


"You haven't said you find the White Nationalist agenda wrong only that its implementation would be a problem."

Look, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and grant that perhaps your cognitive bias is preventing you from perceiving my posts clearly, rather than that you're deliberately twisting what I've said. What you wrote here is not at all an accurate portrayal of what I've said. Here's exactly what I wrote on page 96:

"I said that I can't imagine how that could be enacted without a humanitarian crisis (perhaps catastrophe might be a good word), at least in highly mixed societies like the USA. So I don't think it would be a good development. I don't believe the trend will develop that far down the track, and I'm glad for that.

I legitimately do care more about human dignity and value than the average ARer would appear to."


"I guess that's where the Nazi's ran into a little problem but if that could be solved you're in?"

Obviously my issues with the idea are not strictly pragmatic.


"I'm still waiting for you to answer this question..."

It will come in due time. I'm still thinking on it. It's taking more effort than even this post did.

 

[1101550]

That whole thing with the Mooch though. Comedy.

 

[rbkwp]

how thick is that sort of appointment,even simple thinking me can understand that
yes i said that

UNITED STATES
Thiel is Trump's intelligence guru

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https://www.intelligenceonline.com/...mpaign=PROS_EDIT_DOS&did=107932949&eid=306022


dont tell me that is so, well
naaah i doubt it,theyre likely as stubborn a diehard as he is??

Are Trump’s strongest supporters having second thoughts?
William A. Galston | @BillGalston

New polling data shows that just 43 percent of white, working-class Americans—widely considered President Trump’s base—approve of his job performance after his first 200 days in office.

 

[Klingsor]

I'm wondering how you guys think Gorsuch would have voted (he recused himself) and why Thomas dissented. (Actually, I have figured that part out, but its still a fun exercise.)

For the record, Roberts, Kennedy, Breyer, and Alito *also* formed part of the majority decision. Lest anyone get the impression this was just a liberal thing.

 

[Max_Polo]

For the record, Roberts, Kennedy, Breyer, and Alito *also* formed part of the majority decision. Lest anyone get the impression this was just a liberal thing.

Of course it was not, I'm just poking the bears because Elena Kagan wrote the majority opinion and the sole dissenter was the most conservative member of those who voted. I just think it's funny as is the cricket chirping response of most illustrates their confusion when confronted with something that doesn't fit their preferred narrative.

 

[deleted15807]

sargon20, I tried posting this numerous time with the quote function, but the formatting kept getting messed up and making the quotes invisible, so I'll just use quotation marks instead. It's also more than 10,000 character, so I have to break it up into 2 parts.

Part 1:


"All members of the same club just different factions that view the bogus idea of "race" as a valid way to categorize homo sapiens into discrete groups."

"Discrete" is not a term that I used or would use. I understand the scientific findings on the matter. There are not sharp separations along the lines of racial categories. Furthermore, the level of collective variations in genes between one grouping and another is quite small, especially compared to the level of in-group variation. However, there are clusterings of genetic groups roughly along the lines of more academic systems of racial categories, and it is simply dishonest to say that there is no organized variations between these groups. This truth has been acknowledged even by the likes of Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris.

Like climate change you will never get 100% of scientists to agree so too with "race". It's an imagined reality that is remarkably self-sustaining. However the bottom line among the vast majority of scientists is:

Race Is a Social Construct, Scientists Argue
Racial categories are weak proxies for genetic diversity and need to be phased out​

There is no blood test that any lab will run that will input a blood sample and output your race. The human brain has remarkable abilities to create fiction.

And Sam Harris?

Sam Harris: Perpetually Misunderstood

"in your desire to preserve your "europid bloodline" is just one step away from supremacy."

That had nothing to do with eugenics (eugenics is broadly about seeking to preserve superior traits in numerous areas) and simply to do with wanting to, with respect to my acknowledgement of the truth that there is some reality to race, preserve my race rather than allowing it to totally dissolve in mixture with other races. The consequence of this would simply be that Europids become a little more conservative about mating with our own, at least until we can be sure that we won't become extinct. That is an individual and cultural responsibility. It has nothing to do with the ideology of eugenics or any sort of political imposition.

To be sure why not bring back miscegenation laws? How is this different than the Nazi's racial purity quest? You drop the superiority feature and declare yourself different than that crowd but the distinction is minimal if not non-existent once combined with your beliefs and thoughts of other cultures like Islam and your embrace of MG hate speech.

Everything you write boils down to one or two telling sentences that lay bare your abhorrent beliefs. If you really were so concerned about extinction you would instead focus on the the thousands of nukes Europids have pointed at each other and climate change. That will be the cause of your bloodline's extinction not interracial children.

 

[b.c.]

To be sure why not bring back miscegenation laws? How is this different than the Nazi's racial purity quest? You drop the superiority feature and declare yourself different than that crowd but the distinction is minimal if not non-existent once combined with your beliefs and thoughts of other cultures like Islam and your embrace of MG hate speech.

Everything you write boils down to one or two telling sentences that lay bare your abhorrent beliefs. If you really were so concerned about extinction you would instead focus on the the thousands of nukes Europids have pointed at each other and climate change. That will be the cause of your bloodline's extinction not interracial children.

Exactly, As a black person, and as one of mixed ancestry, some of which, no doubt, was the product of white men having their way with black slaves and servants, I think they have some fkng nerve to be concerned at this date with the so-called "preservation of the white race." And aside from an overwhelming inclination to tell those of that mentality exactly where they can shove it and how far, the whole of it amounts to more of the usual attempt to wrap racism, supremacy, hate, and bigotry up in shiny paper with a fancy bow.

This concern with the dissolution of "europoids" by way of intermingling of races is a bogus-assed false flag notion, predicated upon the equally false notion of ethnic purity in the first place. Inherent in it is the belief of the inequality of people of different races and a hatred for anyone perceived as something "other." And as such, Industrialsize's likening them to nazis was SPOT on.

They aren't fooling ANYONE.

 

[Max_Polo]

Of course it was not, I'm just poking the bears because Elena Kagan wrote the majority opinion and the sole dissenter was the most conservative member of those who voted. I just think it's funny as is the cricket chirping response of most illustrates their confusion when confronted with something that doesn't fit their preferred narrative.

Crickets.

We've got posts about failing (in seven months) to modernize a decades old nuclear arsenal but still no comment on why Justice Kagan was the primary author of a decision that was roundly pummeled.

Pin drop. I heard it.

Of course, we all know the answer - she's following the Constitution of the United States of America, but boy, if Justice Thomas and written this opinion, there'd be pages and pages of people here shitting on him for it. And he dissented this time for fucks sake! Doesn't that make him a hero?

Crickets. Pin drop. Me laughing my ass off.

 

[chicagosam]

Crickets.

We've got posts about failing (in seven months) to modernize a decades old nuclear arsenal but still no comment on why Justice Kagan was the primary author of a decision that was roundly pummeled.

Pin drop. I heard it.

Of course, we all know the answer - she's following the Constitution of the United States of America, but boy, if Justice Thomas and written this opinion, there'd be pages and pages of people here shitting on him for it. And he dissented this time for fucks sake! Doesn't that make him a hero?

Crickets. Pin drop. Me laughing my ass off.

Perhaps the crickets can help you pin your ass back on while you're waiting.

 

[Max_Polo]

Perhaps the crickets can help you pin your ass back on while you're waiting.

More squats I suppose.

 

[Industrialsize]

This Is What European Diplomats Really Think About Donald Trump
Interviews with six top officials paint a picture of a president who is regarded even by allies as erratic and limited, and whose shortcomings are compounded by the ongoing chaos beneath him in the White House.
.....The officials revealed that at international meetings, Trump has openly mocked his own aides, contradicting and arguing with them in front of other leaders. That has compounded the impression of an administration in chaos. “We can hear everything, it’s weird,” one diplomat said.

Officials also expressed concerns over the status of the State Department, and the lack of seasoned diplomats and experts within the White House. One diplomat suggested that US counterparts have privately lamented to Europeans about the number of roles in the administration that have yet to be filled resulting in a lack of clear positions on many policy areas.

“The White House lacks crucial expertise,” one said. “The State Department and others are isolated. You have the generals, the National Security Council, and then a void. There aren’t enough diplomats, experts etc. in the White House. [Secretary of state Rex] Tillerson has a small team. Does Trump listen to [James] Mattis [secretary of defence], [H.R.] McMaster [national security adviser], to the experts?”

The officials think only Trump's family members, in particular his daughter Ivanka, really have the president's trust. They described the body language between Trump and Tillerson as “terrible”.

A senior US defence official, who also spoke to BuzzFeed News on condition of anonymity, described the many roles that still needed filling, some of Trump’s comments about US allies, and the apparent differing positions within the administration as “not ideal”.
European officials who spoke to BuzzFeed News said the effects of Trump’s “America First” agenda were already visible, and the potential consequences worrying.

“The main risk is a progressive disengagement from multilateralism, not just on economic issues, but also from political matters with potential risks linked to a return to unilateral action,” a diplomat said.

A number of the officials BuzzFeed News spoke to wondered whether the US would today intervene if there were a new conflict in the Balkans or an uprising in a country such as Algeria. “What happens then?” one source asked. “These are big questions, big imponderables.”
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonar...onald-trump-is?utm_term=.km9ddWo6P#.faJJJ8DVW

 

[Klingsor]

Crickets.

We've got posts about failing (in seven months) to modernize a decades old nuclear arsenal but still no comment on why Justice Kagan was the primary author of a decision that was roundly pummeled.

Pin drop. I heard it.

Of course, we all know the answer - she's following the Constitution of the United States of America, but boy, if Justice Thomas and written this opinion, there'd be pages and pages of people here shitting on him for it. And he dissented this time for fucks sake! Doesn't that make him a hero?

Crickets. Pin drop. Me laughing my ass off.

I never much followed the decision in the first place. But I guess it demonstrates there can be disagreement among those on the Left--as we've also seen amply demonstrated by the Right.

 

[Max_Polo]

I never much followed the decision in the first place. But I guess it demonstrates there can be disagreement among those on the Left--as we've also seen amply demonstrated by the Right.

That's about all we've seen from the right recently. My point was that the "intolerant right wingers" ain't got nothing on this crowd. When confronted with something that doesn't fit their simple intellectual construct...silence from many. Fortunately, not all.

 

[rbkwp]

WANKERS ie USA Presidents tweet like idiots, as well as
running/ruining a country if not the world/Planet!!!
what a total embarrasement, and its allowed to continually make it happen,with almost childlike tweets
ever wonder why most other leaders avoid using that medium

Celebrities Tweet Like Bots

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ties-tweet-like-bots/?WT.mc_id=SA_WR_20170809

 

[Industrialsize]

Trump Rebuffs His Opioid Task Force, Declines To Declare State Of Emergency
Instead, the president said we should arrest more people and lock them up for longer.
President Donald Trump has decided not to officially declare a state of emergency for the opioid crisis, his health and human services secretary said Tuesday, a week after a White House task force recommended the president take “urgent” action to stem overdose deaths.

Speaking at a press briefing at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey, HHS Secretary Tom Price said Trump is treating the opioid epidemic “as an emergency,” but without an official emergency declaration, which could provide additional government resources.

“We believe that at this point that the resources that we need or the focus that we need to bring to bear to the opioid crisis at this point can be addressed without the declaration of an emergency,” Price said.

The president also decried the downturn in federal drug prosecutions and the trend of shorter prison sentences for drug crimes.


“We’re going to be bringing them up, and bringing them up rapidly,” said Trump.

The opioid commission’s preliminary report didn’t mention law enforcement in its recommendations, though Attorney General Jeff Sessions has regularly argued that aggressive action from police and prosecutors will help curb problems of drug abuse and addiction.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-opioid-emergency_us_5989f5bae4b0449ed505daa8?ief

 

[deleted15807]

Is America toast yet?

In a new poll, half of Republicans say they would support postponing the 2020 election if Trump proposed it​

 

[Klingsor]

In a new poll, half of Republicans say they would support postponing the 2020 election if Trump proposed it

Maybe Bulldog will believe *this* poll.

 

[Max_Polo]

Is America toast yet?

In a new poll, half of Republicans say they would support postponing the 2020 election if Trump proposed it​

Don't know if I believe that. But if true, it's a bit distressing to think that anyone in the US could be that stupid, republican, democrat or neither.