The truth about 9/11

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There is a new article out today that offers yet more proof that BUSH & co had warnings prior to the 9/11 attacks . It is quite damming to W b/c it says he was told in a PDB in May about a cell that was planning a terrorist attack led by Bin Laden.

I was curious as to where my fellow LPSG'ers here in America and elsewhere all over the world, stood on the TRUTH about 9/11.
Are you a truther, do you think W should be completely absolved of any Responsibility.... Are you like most Americans torn between the two opinions ?

Here is where I stand.
I am a somewhat truther b/c the evidence is so overwhelming.
I hate to think that our President could ever be involved in something so appalling but knowing the greedy corrupt history of the BUSH family, it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Not saying W masterminded and created the attack like some do, God knows he did well masterminding the act of chewing a pretzel.
There were very powerful people BEHIND Bush & co. and that group could have masterminded it.

I recall that morning very well. I was eating breakfast and getting ready to go to work when I saw on the news a plane had collided with the WTC. My first thought was what a tragic accident, those poor people. After I got to work, we were watching the coverage on CNN live when the second plane blasted into the other tower. I knew then this was a coordinated terrorist attack and as I had tears streaming down my face while watching the horror I said to my friend sitting beside me, that bastard did this. I meant the BUSH administration not W himself.
I would love nothing more than to be proved WRONG about this but everything I have seen and read leads to one conclusion, they either KNEW it was gonna happen and purposely did NOTHING to thwart the attacks, knowing he benefit, both monetarily and politically BUSH & co would gain from it or for reasons unknown to US but known to them made it happen.

The plane into the pentagon is an absolute scam.
1. The hole left by the so called plane crashing into the pentagon left a PERFECT CIRCULAR hole... not the kind of a hole the nose of a jet would cause on impact.

2. NO JET FUEL anywhere either in sight or that could be smelled

3. Most damaging of all , ALL Videos that recorded the so called plane crash were confiscated and TO THIS DAY have not been seen.
If it is just a plane crashing into the Pentagon, why the fuck hide it from America ?

As I said, I do believe BUSH & co are quite culpable either in part or entirely though as much as I despise the most inept President in the history of our country, I still hate to believe it could be TRUE.


Where do you stand and what are your thoughts ?

Do you think we will EVER learn what actually happened the day our country was brought to her knees, like never before ?

On this day of solemn remembrance I wish to offer my continued sympathy to the family and loved ones affected by the great tragedy .


GNOTHI SEAUTON
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Sorry HH, while I share your dislike of the neocons, this sounds like more government conspiracy scare tactics to sway voters during an election cycle.
 

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There is a new article out today that offers yet more proof that BUSH & co had warnings prior to the 9/11 attacks . It is quite damming to W b/c it says he was told in a PDB in May about a cell that was planning a terrorist attack led by Bin Laden.

I was curious as to where my fellow LPSG'ers here in America and elsewhere all over the world, stood on the TRUTH about 9/11.
Are you a truther, do you think W should be completely absolved of any Responsibility.... Are you like most Americans torn between the two opinions ?

Here is where I stand.
I am a somewhat truther b/c the evidence is so overwhelming.
I hate to think that our President could ever be involved in something so appalling but knowing the greedy corrupt history of the BUSH family, it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Not saying W masterminded and created the attack like some do, God knows he did well masterminding the act of chewing a pretzel.
There were very powerful people BEHIND Bush & co. and that group could have masterminded it.

I recall that morning very well. I was eating breakfast and getting ready to go to work when I saw on the news a plane had collided with the WTC. My first thought was what a tragic accident, those poor people. After I got to work, we were watching the coverage on CNN live when the second plane blasted into the other tower. I knew then this was a coordinated terrorist attack and as I had tears streaming down my face while watching the horror I said to my friend sitting beside me, that bastard did this. I meant the BUSH administration not W himself.
I would love nothing more than to be proved WRONG about this but everything I have seen and read leads to one conclusion, they either KNEW it was gonna happen and purposely did NOTHING to thwart the attacks, knowing he benefit, both monetarily and politically BUSH & co would gain from it or for reasons unknown to US but known to them made it happen.

The plane into the pentagon is an absolute scam.
1. The hole left by the so called plane crashing into the pentagon left a PERFECT CIRCULAR hole... not the kind of a hole the nose of a jet would cause on impact.

2. NO JET FUEL anywhere either in sight or that could be smelled

3. Most damaging of all , ALL Videos that recorded the so called plane crash were confiscated and TO THIS DAY have not been seen.
If it is just a plane crashing into the Pentagon, why the fuck hide it from America ?

As I said, I do believe BUSH & co are quite culpable either in part or entirely though as much as I despise the most inept President in the history of our country, I still hate to believe it could be TRUE.


Where do you stand and what are your thoughts ?

Do you think we will EVER learn what actually happened the day our country was brought to her knees, like never before ?

On this day of solemn remembrance I wish to offer my continued sympathy to the family and loved ones affected by the great tragedy .


GNOTHI SEAUTON
HH

Read the book Everything They Ever Told Me Was a Lie by Pat Shannan.

There is a whole chapter about this and you have already touched on a couple of things that are brought out in this book. Trust me there is much more that is brought out.

I'm not saying I believe everything that's in this book but it does present some very strong evidence into what really happened that day. All I can say is read it with an open mind before making any final judgements.

Do I think we'll ever know the truth, the answer is no.
 

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I knew then this was a coordinated terrorist attack and as I had tears streaming down my face while watching the horror I said to my friend sitting beside me, that bastard did this. I meant the BUSH administration not W himself.
This right here shows that you probably cant be persuaded. Even in 2001 at the beginning of the bush term you loathed him and his administration enough to blame a terrorist attack on him with no evidence. If you are that far off from the beginning, nothing anybody says can convince you they are innocent. Meanwhile any inkling of evidence on the contrary is like a bombshell to you, even if it is the flimsiest of theories with no real proof.
 

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This right here shows that you probably cant be persuaded. Even in 2001 at the beginning of the bush term you loathed him and his administration enough to blame a terrorist attack on him with no evidence. If you are that far off from the beginning, nothing anybody says can convince you they are innocent. Meanwhile any inkling of evidence on the contrary is like a bombshell to you, even if it is the flimsiest of theories with no real proof.

And the same can be said of the anti-Obama sentiment. Attacks against Obama began as early as Summer '09, the year he took office, and haven't stopped since.

The Presidents aren't the problem....
 

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Read the book Everything They Ever Told Me Was a Lie by Pat Shannan.

There is a whole chapter about this and you have already touched on a couple of things that are brought out in this book. Trust me there is much more that is brought out.

I'm not saying I believe everything that's in this book but it does present some very strong evidence into what really happened that day. All I can say is read it with an open mind before making any final judgements.

Do I think we'll ever know the truth, the answer is no.

The best book I ever read on the events surrounding 9/11 is "Crossing the Rubicon" by Michael C. Ruppert.

Amazon.com: Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil (9780865715400): Michael C. Ruppert, Catherine Austin Fitts: Books

There are so many unanswered questions. We posted and tried to discuss this here way back in 2006 but it was still too fresh for people to be rational.
I asked then for instance, and still until this day, for just one photo showing any debris...plane parts, body parts, luggage, etc...at the site of the Pentagon crash. To this day I still haven't seen one. As ridiculous as it seems, I had one member, at the time, post a primitive animation video from a university student, showing a simulation of how a plane could have crashed into the Pentagon as proof that it really happened.

The easiest way to avoid any discussion of what happened that day is to yell conspiracy theory and stick ones head back in the sand. I'm interested to see if people have gotten past the "official" story.
 

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The aircraft that went down indeed did go down. Many sources have linked the Bush family to common links in the middle east. There are also common links in Halliburton which was the home of Dick Cheney for years.

While there are common links between the Bush family as far as acquaintance, it is very long stretch to go from acquaintance to knowledge of or participant in.

Now, on September 10, 2001 America was less pleased with "W" than they are presently with Barak Obama. The jungle drums were beating loudly and his lackluster performance was becoming obvious.

In spite of this I have doubts that "W" knew anything or even anticipated anything. I would think that if anybody wanted "W" in office it would have been the OPEC countries because under "W" they had a blank check full of American dollars. If there were any "orchestrations" of the events of 9-11 it would have taken place from those countries knowing full well that "W" would have continued to favor them over the American Consumer being gouged on oil.

He went from one of the lowest approval ratings in U.S. Presidential history to one of the highest based on this single event. He was himself not smart enough to engineer anything like this. This was a favor to assure that we would have "W" for two terms.

Nobody will ever know the truth on this one.
 

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I've exhausted any fight I have left in me regarding this topic. I'll just quietly accept in my heart that some in the GWB administration knew that a cataclysmic event of some sort, any sort, would cement their hold on power and political influence so they chose to allow events to unfold

All I can say at this point is: Thank God President Obama has kept us safe, in sharp contrast.
 

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It's been reported in the past, that George HW Bush was with a relative of bin Laden at the time of the 2001 attacks in New York City. A week later President Bush uses the White House Press plane to get the bin Laden family out of the U.S. The Bush family has strong ties to the middle East
http://www.georgebushconspiracy.com/bush911role.html
 
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Now, on September 10, 2001 America was less pleased with "W" than they are presently with Barak Obama. The jungle drums were beating loudly and his lackluster performance was becoming obvious.
He had a 1% higher approval rating than Obama does right now. Bush was at 51% Sept 10th 2001 while Obama is at 50%. During the election period (the main time when popularity counts) in 2004 he was back down to between 47-53%, which he maintained throughout the first half of that first year of re-election. Then he continued to dip.

9/11 only gave a very short term burst in popularity. American attention spans dont last long enough for it to have any real impact. If he orchestrated something he wouldve done it in 2003 so that it would actually be more fresh in the minds of the people. It is all rubbish.

Besides, if they did something to "cement their power"... then why did they lose? Unless you want to suggest Obama is in on it too?
 

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It's been reported in the past, that George HW Bush was with a relative of bin Laden at the time of the 2001 attacks in New York City. A week later President Bush uses the White House Press plane to get the bin Laden family out of the U.S. The Bush family has strong ties to the middle East
Bush Sr. was not with a relative of bin Laden, he was at an annual investor conference with hundreds of people. Was bin Laden's brother there? Yes. Is that relevant to anything? No.

Did you know that Jimmy Carter gave weapons directly to Osama bin Laden in 1979? It is true.

Is that really relevant? No. Much like having ties with a very rich and powerful family that are involved with a very rich and powerful company is not relevant.
 

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He did have warnings, but he ignored them. I doubt it was a conspiracy. I think he just had bad judgment.
 

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From what I remember, he did have warnings, but he ignored them. I doubt it was a conspiracy. I think he just had bad judgment.
I remember something similar, but that they were vague warnings with regard to time, location and how. We simply got caught off guard. It sucks that it happened, and I wish that it didnt... but America does not have perfect information all the time. Every day we sacrifice more of our liberty to get better information, but you have to wonder if that sacrifice is worth it.
 

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Apparently you don't remember Iran/Contra. Reagan gave arms to Iraq, in order for them to defeat Iran. That's the so-called weapons of mass distruction, Bushed was looking for. But those were shipped to Pakistan, because Iraq had plenty of time, to get them out of their country.


Bush Sr. was not with a relative of bin Laden, he was at an annual investor conference with hundreds of people. Was bin Laden's brother there? Yes. Is that relevant to anything? No.

Did you know that Jimmy Carter gave weapons directly to Osama bin Laden in 1979? It is true.

Is that really relevant? No. Much like having ties with a very rich and powerful family that are involved with a very rich and powerful company is not relevant.
 
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Apparently you don't remember Iran/Contra. Reagan gave arms to Iraq, in order for them to defeat Iran. That's the so-called weapons of mass distruction, Bushed was looking for. But those were shipped to Pakistan, because Iraq had plenty of time, to get them out of their country.
This wasnt the Iran/Iraq war that I am talking about, that was later (the war itself starting in 1980). This was during the Soviet war in Afghanistan (beginning in 1979). The Iran/Iraq war we funded Saddam, not Osama.