"the Untouchables"

[madame_zora]

I believe I've already named one example who takes significantly more crap than you do. And that's without the groundswell of support that you receive because the stance he takes runs contrary to so many on this board. How much fun is it for you? Going on the examples of LargeLarry and JQBlonde it looked like tonnes of fun for everyone. Me included.

Haha, You've got a hardon for Big Dirge, that's hardly my problem. I've got a swell idea, when we're talking about how fun something is for ME, we'll just assume I can answer that best.

Yeah, I always go with the groundswell of support side. Fuck you very much.

Why? Because, I would hope, that their opinions are formed out in the real world not here on the board. Being new to the site doesn't mean a person is new to thinking. We're all here to exchange ideas, not pedigrees. I have been humbled by clearheaded posts from members I'd never seen before. Tenure doesn't automatically convey wisdom.

No one EVER actually answers my complaint there though, and neither did you. In WHAT situation does the person with the least experience set the rules? In WHAT situation does tenure count for zilch? All I'm saying is that in a group with a ten year history, someone who has been in it and posting for half the time has contributed more than someone who just arrived. Why is that so hard to understand? Why do n00bs feel a sense of ownership toward something they haven't done anything to build yet? Ever hear of "sweat equity"? You DO have more invested in something that you've contributed to than someone who has contributed nothing. As many times as I point this out, all I ever hear is "Yeah, but..." because people just can't admit to being selfish asses who expect something for nothing. It wouldn't fly in real life, and you damned well know it.

By the same token defending a longstanding member for that reason alone is also stupid.

Depends. I think it's fair to consider someone's overall contributions to the board when considering a specific incident, that's just exercising good judgement. Example- big dirge. Before YOU were here, he was a pain in the ass (you know I still love ya ducky). He was NOT a longstanding member, but a noob with an axe to grind. Who do you think defended his right to be an ass? Go ask the rest of the mods.

I'm surprised that you wouldn't agree with this. Through so many of your posts I see you urging people not to blindly follow a leadership figure (Bush), but to evaluate his deeds on their own merit.

Agree with what? Are you suggesting we have NO community standards? Do you really imagine we'd have the membership we do have, if we were like every other idiotic messageboard on the interweb? How do you imagine we got "lucky" enough to bag some of the brains we've got on here, magic?

Oh, let's not hurt anyone's feewings, evweryone's impowtant. Ugh.

I feel this should be applied everywhere. Support the posts that are well presented and you agree with, contest the ones that are neither. Even if they come from the same person.

Yes, obviously! What the hell's wrong with people!

 

[DC_DEEP]

Agreed. However, when you have a poster that isn't a large larry or even a n00b (has been around for at least a few months) and isn't a troll per se, but admits to being disingenuous, starts threads just for controversy, considers himself to be the authority on certain matters, is an incessant braggart, likes to push others buttons but cannot take what he dishes out, often doesn't find the error of his ways. Try turning the tables on these posters as I recently did. You'll find they don't respond as well as you might hope.

Ah, dear, I remember well when you were a n00b, too. But you presented yourself well, and you became a "regular" in a very short time. Without going into too many details, I had been a regular for over two years when a n00b (less than 3 months) stirred some shit with me. I had told him to back off when he was telling long-time members what they should and should not post. 3 of the (brand-new) mods scolded me, told ME to back off, and one sent me a warning by PM. At that point, not one single other member "defended" me. I ended up on a lot of shit lists because of that debacle. My most offensive statement to the n00b had been "please stop telling others that you are tired of this topic, stop telling them to 'give it a rest.' If you don't like the topic, please just simply do not read the thread. Some others may still have interest in it." Months later, that n00b ended up showing his true colors and getting banned, (temp, then perm).

Sometimes if you're a new poster who has quite a lot to say for himself/herself you can get jumped on by the oldtimers just because you're a newbie, a lot of times they feel you have to go through some sort of 'apprenticeship' period before your posts are accepted as valid. When joining any new site I just jump right in as if I've always been there, it's the net and I don't hold with cliques - as the ToS say, words to the effect of 'every member is of equal value.'

You've done so quite swimmingly, Princess. When you joined us, you did jump right in. That's how we got to know you. You didn't tell us how wonderful you are, you demonstrated it. As it should be.

 

[Lex]

Just as in any real social situation, people who have social skills stick around and become highly regarded while the awkward wallflowers and/or people without any social skills hang on the fringe complaining and those on the in(out)side who feel guilty try to make the people who put in work feel bad about it. Not.

I can think of several examples where new(er) members came on board and were instantly adored: Sorceror, Bliss, Altered, OhmahaBeef, Gisella, and the list goes on.

This whole load of crap about people wanting to feel important without ever contributing is bullshit. If you don't vote, how dare you complain.

I have said it before, if you want the board to go in a different direction: POST (Speak UP). You can't remain silent and expect things to change.

 

[naughty]

Just as in any real social situation, people who have social skills stick around and become highly regarded while the awkward wallflowers and/or people without any social skills hang on the fringe complaining and those on the in(out)side who feel guilty try to make the people who put in work feel bad about it. Not.

I can think of several examples where new(er) members came on board and were instantly adored: Sorceror, Bliss, Altered, OhmahaBeef, Gisella, and the list goes on.

This whole load of crap about people wanting to feel important without ever contributing is bullshit. If you don't vote, how dare you complain.

I have said it before, if you want the board to go in a different direction: POST (Speak UP). You can't remain silent and expect things to change.

WHy did you and Jana and Huggy bear Matthew retire? It hasnt been the same since, in many ways. Wuv Woo! LOL! :biggrin1:

 

[Lex]

WHy did you and Jana and Huggy bear Matthew retire? It hasnt been the same since, in many ways. Wuv Woo! LOL! :biggrin1:

I MUCH prefer my existence as a member over my existence as a Mod.

Now, when I slap people around no one can accuse me of being on a power trip. All they can say is that I am being an ass or that I am "untouchable."

LOL.

 

[Principessa]

I'm hurt Kotch, I thought you and I were cool now. :frown1:

I'm not sure I should be saying this, ya know, being a mod and all, but there is ONE person here, who pisses me off like nothing else. I'm not going to name the person for the simple fact that they are untouchable, and even trying will result in me being forced off the boards (tried once, ain't stupid enough to try it a second time)

This one person, is so fucking popular that they get away with fucking with peoples personal lives. She lies, bitches, back stabs, does anything she fucking can to stir the shit and ruin things for others..

The typical "I'm alone and sad so I'm going to make damned sure you are too"

But no, you just try stepping up with the proof, calling them on their lies and you'll have half the fucking board attacking you for it.

The worst thing about this site for me is how the men are so easily blinded to a womans true self simply because she's got her kit off in a few pics. Like being naked makes you sweet and innocent

(I feel so much better after that lol)

 

[madame_zora]

WHy did you and Jana and Huggy bear Matthew retire? It hasnt been the same since, in many ways. Wuv Woo! LOL! :biggrin1:

Lex and I did make good hatchet-men though, didn't we?:tongue:

You know it was just better for the board. Too many people don't understand that having an opinion and speaking it passionately is different than legislating it. Too many members (mostly n00bs who didn't know us at all) didn't trust us to keep our personal views separate. What's funny is that the ones complaining the most were so often the ones Lex and I were defending. Funny how wrong people can be when they make snap decisions about people they don't bother to get to know.

Fuck, we've been working on this sand-castle for a long time, haven't we?
I'm not about to let some turd pour water on it and ruin it now. You were one of the first people to say hi to me when I joined, who wouldda thunk we'd still be here by now? Tell me the truth, would you call my early "socialisation" a little bumpy?:biggrin1:

 

[Principessa]

It's a joke babe :biggrin1: I should have added j/k at the end of the post.

Nj, hon...

I'm hoping like nothing else that this is a joke right? You don't really think I'm talking about you?

 

[B_ScaredLittleBoy]

Such drama goes on behind the scenes here!

I just ate some scrambled egg on toast and it was mighty fine. I'm gonna go get a bottle of diet coke now to wash it down...

As for the subject of men being blinded by women: I work on the principle that every woman is in fact a man unless there is a lot of evidence (non-model pictures etc).

Peace and love :smile:

I agree with the 'untouchables' list.

 

[rob_just_rob]

There will always be popular kids wherever you go. It's more subtle in the workplace, more obvious in arenas that are more like a schoolyard - such as internet fora.

I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing - that all depends if you're one of the popular (or un-) kids.

 

[playainda336]

My name carries a lot of weight...you just don't know it yet. >_>

<_<

I'm probably one of the oldest members of LPSG on here.

._.;

(Which means absolutely nothing since no one remembers me)

 

[earllogjam]

From a newbie's perspective - I got lured in by the pictures, hooked on the threads and will return because of the intelligent banter.

I think the "Untouchables" are untouchable because without them the board would be a waste of time, like 98% of the boards out there - filled just with sophomoric "how big is your cock really" "why does my dick leak precum?" threads. Though some of it is interesting most gets old fast and certainly not a reason to return for me. The day that this board looses its wit, intelligence, colorful personalities, candor, and humanity and sucumbs to just being a sex board of the lowest common denominator - I'm out of here and I think the Untouchables will be gone too. I think it is a rare treat to be involved in a board that is lucky enough to have some of the brains and people who have something meaningful to contribute and I think they stay because of the level of discourse here. No, this is not a question of "luck" this board is successful because of the posters. It's not the real world but somehow it feels like it when a member welcomes you by saying "glad you're here" or says thanks for giving yourself. I like it here, you people amuse me.

How do you imagine we got "lucky" enough to bag some of the brains we've got on here, magic?

 

[Principessa]

Imagine my surprise at the tender age of 35 when I took a new job and found out there was an unspoken law against there being two cute Black girls in an office.

There will always be popular kids wherever you go. It's more subtle in the workplace, more obvious in arenas that are more like a schoolyard - such as internet fora.

I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing - that all depends if you're one of the popular (or un-) kids.

 

[naughty]

Imagine my surprise at the tender age of 35 when I took a new job and found out there was an unspoken law against there being two cute Black girls in an office.

There will always be popular kids wherever you go. It's more subtle in the workplace, more obvious in arenas that are more like a schoolyard - such as internet fora.

I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing - that all depends if you're one of the popular (or un-) kids.

Who told you that? LOL! Well, no wonder my friend has a hard time in her office . She is built like a brick house with the face of Angela Bassett. Now dont tell me the heifers arent ready to riot!

 

[Principessa]

Imagine my surprise at the tender age of 35 when I took a new job and found out there was an unspoken law against there being two cute Black girls in an office.

Who told you that? LOL! Well, no wonder my friend has a hard time in her office . She is built like a brick house with the face of Angela Bassett. Now dont tell me the heifers arent ready to riot!

The secretary (ghetto girl & single mom) ruling the roost got up in my grill and let me know in no uncertain terms the 2nd week I was there that I was in the way. She played the race card supremely well. I've never done that, I was taught to study and work hard to get ahead and not expect handouts; but I digress. Since white people often affectionately describe me as the whitest, black girl they know; my presence was a clear and present danger to the secretarys' survival.

I was the Curator of Education for a small but prestigious historical association; it was my dream job but I lasted only 6 months. Three months in I realized the director was kind of a twit and would "forget" to do things then blame me when the trustees complained. I took a job with the state that paid $8K more a year and within 3 years had worked my way up through the ranges and doubled my salary. The black secretaries still hate me but I don't care. :biggrin1:

 

[Gillette]

This is familiar territory. I just love having my words spun so that the person replying doesn't have to address my ACTUAL point.
My inserts in blue.

Haha, You've got a hardon for Big Dirge, that's hardly my problem. I've got a swell idea, when we're talking about how fun something is for ME, we'll just assume I can answer that best.
Its a nonexistent problem so really it isn't any one's. And I never claimed to know how you felt I merely stated what it looked like.

Yeah, I always go with the groundswell of support side. Fuck you very much.
Kisses to you, too. I didn't say "go with". I said "received". I feel certain your reading comprehension is better than that. Your opinions do receive a lot of support because a large number of people agree with your point of view. I'm one of them. Most of the time. But when your arguments heatedly challenge points NOT MADE in the first place just for the purpose of making a poster look bad, you should expect to be called on it.



No one EVER actually answers my complaint there though, and neither did you. In WHAT situation does the person with the least experience set the rules? In WHAT situation does tenure count for zilch? All I'm saying is that in a group with a ten year history, someone who has been in it and posting for half the time has contributed more than someone who just arrived. Why is that so hard to understand? Why do n00bs feel a sense of ownership toward something they haven't done anything to build yet? Ever hear of "sweat equity"? You DO have more invested in something that you've contributed to than someone who has contributed nothing. As many times as I point this out, all I ever hear is "Yeah, but..." because people just can't admit to being selfish asses who expect something for nothing. It wouldn't fly in real life, and you damned well know it.

Answers to your questions. In WHAT situation does the person with the least experience set the rules? When they're the boss' kid? Realistically the newest person has no business setting the rules. In WHAT situation does tenure count for zilch? When the person with tenure is wrong. If a tenured professor says 2+2=5 and a student says that 2+2=4 the prof might as well admit he made a mistake.

The reason I didn't answer those questions the first time is because it was never my assertion that the new members were more important or had more rights or anything else. What I said was that they should expect and receive EQUAL privileges and protections.


Depends. I think it's fair to consider someone's overall contributions to the board when considering a specific incident, that's just exercising good judgement. Example- big dirge. Before YOU were here, he was a pain in the ass (you know I still love ya ducky). He was NOT a longstanding member, but a noob with an axe to grind. Who do you think defended his right to be an ass? Go ask the rest of the mods.
And for this I should swear fealty to you? BTW, he still IS a pain in the ass.



Agree with what? Are you suggesting we have NO community standards? Do you really imagine we'd have the membership we do have, if we were like every other idiotic messageboard on the interweb? How do you imagine we got "lucky" enough to bag some of the brains we've got on here, magic? *Mental head slap* What has this to do with equality? You can't possibly be suggesting that we draw more intelligent posters because as n00bs they'll be dismissed or outright dismantled until somebody 'important' deigns to acknowledge them. Hardly an attractive lure.

Magic hadn't occurred to me. I just assumed that a larger penis would likely have a larger head on it and since men think with their...nah, I'll leave that unfinished.

Oh, let's not hurt anyone's feewings, evweryone's impowtant. Ugh.
If you think this is my opinion, you are seriously mistaken. Laughably so.

I feel this should be applied everywhere. Support the posts that are well presented and you agree with, contest the ones that are neither. Even if they come from the same person.

Yes, obviously! What the hell's wrong with people!

If you agree with the last point how or why did you misconstrue the rest of my post?

 

[Big Dreamer]

As annoying as it must seem that some people (like me) seem to carry more weight than others, imagine how much fun it is for me when every new twat that joins thinks taking a shot at me will somehow earn them respect. Seriously, who do you see taking more crap than me?

And why is it that the interweb is suddenly the land where none of the rules which apply to social gatherings in real life apply here? Why would anyone assume that as a new member with very little contributions, that their opinions are interesting, nay vital, to the group? Where is it anywhere else that someone joins a club, and demands instant respect equal to that of longterm contributing members? Fucking ridiculous.

Two clues- 1) Contribute to the group so you can be judged by those contributions. We all had to go through the same thing and you ain't special. 2) Picking on older members before you even know the group dynamics is stupid and makes you look ridiculous, find better ways of making yourself known.

The reason the noobies take shots at you MZ, is because you flaunt your jewel encrusted LPSG.org Light/Middleweight title belt when you strut around the room. We see them sparkly jewels and we picture ourselves wearing it.

Seriously, I never saw anyone as touchable, untouchable, semi-gropable, or anything else in my short stay here. That might be because I arrived and used the same set of rules that a stranger (with survival skills) utilizes in any new situation. Spending your first 100 posts doing nothing but challenging long-termers is the equivalent of a stranger showing up at a party, cawing all night about how the music and the free food sucks, then telling everyone that they dress like shit and should re-evaluate their entire lives. This individual will most likely get tossed out on their ear and get their car towed home since the tires are slashed.

The sole advantage that long term members rightfully posess, is a lot more backup when the going gets ugly and someone starts attacking. It's pretty natural to stand shoulder to shoulder with a good friend (provided you agree with them) and launch a few bombs back from your keyboard to show support.

I'm fucking fed up with the whole "You're just backing so-and-so because he/she has been around here since the beginning of time". To those who feel victimized, it may be a simple case of pretty much nobody agreeing with your posts, not some elaborate hierarchy designed to make you look stupid. You live and die based on your written words, which over the long hall provide a pretty accurate snapshot of your personality.

 

[JustAsking]

I have a secret fondness for Big Dirigible. I almost never agree with him. But I always respect his fierce intelligence and his polemics. He loves to pick a fight and hang in there and duke it out to the end. The difference between him and JQBlonde is that Big D actually has some respect for those he is baiting into a fight. I think it would be a boring place without him.

My only disclaimer is that I don't recall him being a real asshole when he first joined up. It may be so, but I can't speak for that. I can only speak for recent history.

 

[madame_zora]

Well if everyone's done sucking Biggie D's significant dick by now, can we get back to me?????

Most of us who argue our points here don't actually dislike each other. Who would waste time speaking to someone they didn't consider a worthwhile adversary?

Big Dirge can shit on who he wants because one of his degrees is in thermonuclear astrophysics in the crab nebula- who's really going to argue the point? Jeez, I just pop a boner watching him unfurl that shit, seriously.
JQBlonde didn't have quite the same impact. Additionally, Dirge is not a two-dimensional character, and isn't too rigid (haha, I said "rigid") to stand for a correction if he's wrong, or even stretch to see things another way on occasion.

Gilette, what ruffled my feathers about being called out by you was that I felt you were making it a two dimentional argument, and I think I've given plenty of examples of myself being more expansive than that. I guess if that's what you see, that's your right, but you've had plenty of opportunity to see more if you were looking. Yes, tenure should be ONE factor being considered when assessing a member's overall value to the community. Hardly the only one, or even the primary one, but one. On the other hand, contribution probably IS the primary determining factor of a person's value to a group, so then one has to assign value to various methods of contribution, whether it be pictures, posts on the forum, gold membership, bringing in members- things that add value to the site. While everyone who reads the site adds to its popularity, posting pics and posts on the forum add to the actual content of the site- what people come here for. You can't really expect that someone who has contributed very little or nothing to be treated the same as those who have been loyal to the site and its growth, and given of their time and insights. That just doesn't make sense, and it doesn't happen like that ANYWHERE on Earth.

Nobody logs in to see what n00b number 6,072 has to say, but if he sticks around a while and keeps posting things that people find interesting, he'll be a valued member very quickly. He could be an ass just as quickly if his posts don't vary much. I'll quote a n00b and thank them for a post in a heartbeat if I see something I like, and I'll remember to look for more of their posts too, but I'm not going to take a lot of crap from one until they give me some reason to care about their opinion. There are certainly some people whose opinions I care about much more quickly than others, that's just personal preference.

There's probably only about 20 or 30 members still here who were around before Lex and I joined, and only half of those are still very active. Don't worry, we'll all die off eventually and you can pretend you created the whole thing yourselves.

 

[naughty]

Well if everyone's done sucking Biggie D's significant dick by now, can we get back to me?????

Most of us who argue our points here don't actually dislike each other. Who would waste time speaking to someone they didn't consider a worthwhile adversary?

Big Dirge can shit on who he wants because one of his degrees is in thermonuclear astrophysics in the crab nebula- who's really going to argue the point? Jeez, I just pop a boner watching him unfurl that shit, seriously.
JQBlonde didn't have quite the same impact. Additionally, Dirge is not a two-dimensional character, and isn't too rigid (haha, I said "rigid") to stand for a correction if he's wrong, or even stretch to see things another way on occasion.

Gilette, what ruffled my feathers about being called out by you was that I felt you were making it a two dimentional argument, and I think I've given plenty of examples of myself being more expansive than that. I guess if that's what you see, that's your right, but you've had plenty of opportunity to see more if you were looking. Yes, tenure should be ONE factor being considered when assessing a member's overall value to the community. Hardly the only one, or even the primary one, but one. On the other hand, contribution probably IS the primary determining factor of a person's value to a group, so then one has to assign value to various methods of contribution, whether it be pictures, posts on the forum, gold membership, bringing in members- things that add value to the site. While everyone who reads the site adds to its popularity, posting pics and posts on the forum add to the actual content of the site- what people come here for. You can't really expect that someone who has contributed very little or nothing to be treated the same as those who have been loyal to the site and its growth, and given of their time and insights. That just doesn't make sense, and it doesn't happen like that ANYWHERE on Earth.

Nobody logs in to see what n00b number 6,072 has to say, but if he sticks around a while and keeps posting things that people find interesting, he'll be a valued member very quickly. He could be an ass just as quickly if his posts don't vary much. I'll quote a n00b and thank them for a post in a heartbeat if I see something I like, and I'll remember to look for more of their posts too, but I'm not going to take a lot of crap from one until they give me some reason to care about their opinion. There are certainly some people whose opinions I care about much more quickly than others, that's just personal preference.

There's probably only about 20 or 30 members still here who were around before Lex and I joined, and only half of those are still very active. Don't worry, we'll all die off eventually and you can pretend you created the whole thing yourselves.

I happen to be one of those older members. Though my date says 2004 I actually joined at the end of 2002. I tried to stay out of this, but it really is getting to be unbelievable. Truer words unfortunately have not been spoken about the older members .Today alone I had three older members of this board let me know that because of the shift in things that has occured very recently they will not be back. They asked me not to mention their names. But They were quite valued members to this board.Wake up, people.