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Discussion in 'Et Cetera, Et Cetera' started by Industrialsize, Feb 24, 2008.
vid speaks for itself:
YouTube - 5 Years Too Many
Bush and his lying cronies say the guys fighting this war want to be there, thats bullshit, most of those 19,20,21 year old men (Boys) do not want to be there. I mean who wants to fight a war??? It needs to end asap.
I/M/O, the Iraq war began in 1991 so it's been 17 years too many.
I didn't watch the video.
the vid made me cry..............and then made me angry...........
Direct part of your "anger" at G.H.W. Bush. He started it.
how about ALL of my anger.......
No, you started it :biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1:
Your right SteveHd shrub senior did start it.
Regardless of who started it...it needs to end. And when it does end, this country better be prepared to address the manifold issues that these men and women will bring home with them.
I'd say that's fair.
You can call me "Steve". :smile:
The British were openly lied to with unproven information about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction that were a direct threat to the UK, that's why we were there, but why was America there?
That's a genuine question before someone start bitching about anit americanisms.
That's interesting. I hadn't heard that spin before on the UK's involvement in Iraq. I thought they had their own independent intelligence. Are you insinuating that it was the US that lied to them? Does that make it their fault? convenient.
No, sorry, it's exactly as it reads.
In the UK, we were told that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction that are a real threat to UK security.
When this was questioned the governemnt blamed MI5/6 for bad intelligence, but by then, we were at war with Iraq and honering our 'special relationship' as Blair called it, with the states.
Don't try and make this about anti americanism, frankly it pisses me off with the amount of people on here bitching that no one likes the states.
I asked a question, thats it, you've just read why the UK was there, why was America.
Blair admits WMD may never be found | Politics | The Guardian
The UK should not have been there, we, as a nation, were lied to about the reasons war was essential.
Do we have to ask why America is there? I think it is pretty obvious.
Lied to? That's quite a leap from bad information. Whom are you accusing of lying?
If the UK government sends it's nation to war on information they can't, won't substanciate before action is taken, or after for that matter, then they lied to us.
Did Iraq have weapons capable of reaching the UK and causing mass destruction. No.
We went to war on a false pretences and many British men died.
We could use the same exact excuse (faulty intelligence). So if that flimsy BS absolves you it does the same for the USA.
Pup isn't meaning (I don't believe?) that US intelligence told the UK (or British intelligence) that Iraq posed such a threat, though of course the national agencies involved shared lies and misinformation, sorry intel.
I read his post as meaning the people of the UK were told that by their Government. I thought that was common knowledge. There's plenty of evidence. The US' reasons for being there are equally well known and it's all been debated to death.
BBC NEWS | UK | Politics | Blair issues fresh Iraq warning
BBC NEWS | Politics | Blair fails to win war of persuasion
I especially liked all the backtracking when none of this crap was swallowed by anyone with even half a brain, although of course by then it was too late.
The Guardian is rather liberal but the fact that the British people were intentionally deceived is pretty much unarguable. The interview with Beckett is a peach, that women is such a liar.
Full text: Tony Blair's speech | Politics | guardian.co.uk
How Beckett's answers raise more questions on Iraq | Politics | The Guardian
Cheers Dong, but I think my post was clear enough that I was talking only about the UK peoples.
All i asked was will someone please say, hopfully an American member, what reasons were you as a nation given to go to war on?
Why were they in Iraq? I've already said why we were there.
Insinuating anti americanism is the approved trend though on LPSG.
Rugbypup, were they lying if they truly believed at that time the information was valid?