The War On Christmas

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Christmas and the term thereof, needs to eliminated or include all other forms of religious holidays (throughout the year). Otherwise, it constitutes a gross continuance of making non-Christians uncomfortable. Additionally, no government agency or government employee on behalf of said agency should be allowed to say the word Christmas. Separation of church and state.
 

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What I can't understand is how someone that doesn't celebrate Xmas takes a greeting as an insult.

I've seen people get so offended by being told to have a Merry Xmas, they look like someone called them a stupid c**t.

I'm not religious, but if someone offers me good wishes I'm not going to get mad. People flip out over this like saying Merry Christmas is an attempt to try and convert them or something.

People really need to chill out.........you know tis the season and all.
 

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What I can't understand is how someone that doesn't celebrate Xmas takes a greeting as an insult.

I've seen people get so offended by being told to have a Merry Xmas, they look like someone called them a stupid c**t.

I'm not religious, but if someone offers me good wishes I'm not going to get mad. People flip out over this like saying Merry Christmas is an attempt to try and convert them or something.

People really need to chill out.........you know tis the season and all.

some don't mind it... but we've gotten so PC... that if you say it, like at a store or in business... you catch many folk off guard (esp in states like CA or NY). they deftly dance around it... not sure how to respond, as they want to say same to you, but feel they need to caveat with the "happy holidays" drivel.
 
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I just say "Have a Happy Holiday" to strangers and "Merry Christmas" to my peeps. :smile:

Although if someone gave me a dirty look for saying Merry Christmas I would be fairly offended... :mad:
 

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I would just say that some people who have a problem with all this need to grow up and get a life and focus on some of the real problems of the world. I'm an non practicing jew who puts up a Christmas tree with glee. I send Christmas cards to my Christian friends who will appreciate it. I send Hanukkah cards out to my jewish friends and Happy Holiday's to everyone else. Do I get upset when someone wishes me a Merry Christmas?...No! With everything going on in the world...if this is the worst thing happening to these people than I say "Merry Christmas!"
 

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On the other hand, I don't know why some folks get all bent about others saying "Happy Holidays". In the last few years it seems it's being called "too PC" by everyone. It's been around a long time. I remember people saying "Happy Holidays" in the 60's and didn't Dean Martin record a song with that same title?

I agree, people need to chill out and quit being offended by every little thing that doesn't fit their view of how things should be.

Merry Christmas!
 

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I have never known anyone who was sensitive to hearing Merry Christmas, whether they were Christian or not. And, I have never seen anyone hesitate to say those words to anyone else, whether they knew them or not. I have lived in many parts of the country, in conservative and in flaming liberal areas, and no one ever balks at the term.

On the other hand, I have heard the term Happy Holidays all my life, being said out loud and on signs in stores. There is no difference in the use of those phrases now compared to 50 years ago. Anyone who thinks so is simply imagining things.
 
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I would just say that some people who have a problem with all this need to grow up and get a life and focus on some of the real problems of the world. I'm an non practicing jew who puts up a Christmas tree with glee. I send Christmas cards to my Christian friends who will appreciate it. I send Hanukkah cards out to my jewish friends and Happy Holiday's to everyone else. Do I get upset when someone wishes me a Merry Christmas?...No! With everything going on in the world...if this is the worst thing happening to these people than I say "Merry Christmas!"

Q F T !!

On the other hand, I don't know why some folks get all bent about others saying "Happy Holidays". In the last few years it seems it's being called "too PC" by everyone. It's been around a long time. I remember people saying "Happy Holidays" in the 60's and didn't Dean Martin record a song with that same title?

I agree, people need to chill out and quit being offended by every little thing that doesn't fit their view of how things should be.

Merry Christmas!

It is a time to be thankful as well. It does say "In God we trust" on the currency, these things are an indelible part of our history in this country. Are you going to stop getting paid because "In God we trust" is printed on the currency and you happen to be atheist? Please, by all means get over yourself. Merry Christmas!

I think people who take offense at a holiday well wish have severe mental and emotional issues. If someone were to walk up to you and say "Go to hell. It's Christmas. Fuck off and die!!" I am sure you would be offended as well. Stop being such an ingrate! Merry Christmas!

IMO there is just no way to make everyone happy. This is the day and age we live in where "good will to all" is an offensive statement. I say get a life, grow up and consider that the very act of drawing breath is considered an sacred act. There are so many other things to focus on and so many things to be truly thankful for.


MERRY CHRISTMAS!
 

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the only people making a big deal of this issue are ultra right wing conservatives who proclaim the US is a Christian nation.

Idiots like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly keep thumping the bible to rustle up the ire of the rednecks of this country and the sheep just follow along.
 

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the only people making a big deal of this issue are ultra right wing conservatives who proclaim the US is a Christian nation.

Idiots like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly keep thumping the bible to rustle up the ire of the rednecks of this country and the sheep just follow along.

Thing is, a fairly large % of Limaugh's and O'Reilly's listening base is Christian. That said, another large % of listeners are not religious.

On the flip side, left-side show hosts such as Bill Maher use every opportunity possible to ridicule religion and those that have one. Maher even wrote a book about it in his latest PR stint.

If being religious provides a certain segment with hope and a set of values, why are the libs so intent on squashing and ridiculing that belief? Didn't our founding fathers include God in the Declaration and the Constitution?

I am not religious, but don't understand the need to ridicule those that are.

If some are offended by a Merry Christmas greeting, those people should not get vacation on Dec. 25th. So as not to be a hypocrite.:rolleyes:
 

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I'm just giving everyone fair warning right now that because I don't drink, I'm declaring War on St. Patrick's Day. I'm just going to get all hypersensitive, and assume that if anyone wishes me a happy St. Paddy's Day this March 17th, I'm going to go off on them and accuse them of trying to blow my sobriety.

Plus, I tend to kill houseplants, so if anyone even THINKS about wishing me a happy Arbor Day, they are going to rue the day they ever crossed my path ....
 

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T.O. judge orders Christmas tree out of lobby
Updated: Thu Dec. 14 2006 5:31:35 PM, toronto.ctv.ca

A Toronto judge has ordered a Christmas tree out of a downtown provincial courthouse lobby, saying it's not an appropriate symbol to non-Christians.

The move by Justice Marion Cohen has upset staff, some of whom call the decision stupid and insulting.

Cohen says she understands the small tree has stood in the lobby at 311 Jarvis St. for years during the Christmas season, but in a letter to employees says non-Christians are "confronted" with the artificial decoration, which makes them feel "they are not part of this institution.''
The judge, who oversees administration at the courthouse, said it's inappropriate that a Christian symbol is the first thing visitors see when they enter the building.

A number of Christmas trees are on full display inside other public institutions, including at the Ontario legislature, Toronto City Hall and at Nathan Phillips Square. There are also trees inside the Old City Hall courts.
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty on Thursday slammed the judge's order.

"I think that's unfortunate,'' McGuinty said. "I think it represents a misunderstanding of what we are working so hard to build here in Ontario.'
"We enjoy the wonderful privilege of building a pluralistic and multicultural society.''

The premier said it's unfair to ask people to abandon their traditions, and noted it's important for everybody to learn about and share in each other's celebrations.

"At Queen's Park we celebrated Diwali a few weeks ago, as well at Queen's Park we celebrated Eid. Next week I believe I'm participating in a lighting of the menorah celebration,'' McGuinty said.
"What we're saying is, let's share in those opportunities, let's better understand those celebrations.''

Staff at the Jarvis Street courthouse were unwilling to comment on camera, but told CTV's Janice Golding they are disheartened. One man, who said the tree has been a Christmas tradition for decades, was infuriated when he learned of the decision.

Lawyers who work in the building were also upset and couldn't understand the reasoning.

"There's no reason why a Christmas tree can't be put wherever people want it to be. It's by no means an offense, I believe, to any religion," said Cynthia Mancia.

"I don't know that it falls upon judges to make decisions of that sort anymore than upon any other member of the public," added John Lamont.
There is currently no court or ministry policy that addresses this particular situation. Attorney General Michael Bryant said he'll be speaking to the chief of the Ontario Court of Justice about creating one.
Cohen would not comment on camera.

The tree has since been moved to an administrative corridor off to the side.

The story has triggered a flurry of angry responses from CTV viewers and readers.

Another Christmas incident in 2002 sparked backlash from the public when city hall officials put out a news release calling its giant tree at Nathan Phillips Square a "holiday tree."

Then-mayor Mel Lastman, who is Jewish, ordered staff to call it a Christmas tree. He then introduced a bylaw that prohibits the tree from being given any other name.

Any Canucks remember this?

It's interesting that Lastman, who is a Jew, wanted the Nathan Phillips Christmas tree to stay. Or should I call it a Holiday tree?
 

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It's interesting that Lastman, who is a Jew, wanted the Nathan Phillips Christmas tree to stay. Or should I call it a Holiday tree?

I'll tell ya -- some of the Jewish people I know enjoy Christmas more than anyone else. I don't know if it's a combination of not having the experience when they were kids in the same way ... or not having the ugly family Christmas baggage that many of us do ... but for whatever reason, these people (none of whom know each other) really, really love Christmas in a way that I don't.
 

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Thing is, a fairly large % of Limaugh's and O'Reilly's listening base is Christian. That said, another large % of listeners are not religious.

On the flip side, left-side show hosts such as Bill Maher use every opportunity possible to ridicule religion and those that have one. Maher even wrote a book about it in his latest PR stint.

I don't care for in-your-face tactics with any issues. Overly self-righteous atheists bother me as much as self-righteous religious people.

Didn't our founding fathers include God in the Declaration and the Constitution?

They didn't. There is mention of, "Nature's God," (not man's god; a distinction important in a time when humans were believed to be above nature) and another, "... by their Creator," in the Declaration of Independence, but no mention of the Judeo-Islamic-Christian god.

There is no mention of any deity in the Constitution.
 

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I don't know if it's a combination of not having the experience when they were kids in the same way ... or not having the ugly family Christmas baggage that many of us do ... but for whatever reason, these people (none of whom know each other) really, really love Christmas in a way that I don't.
I have seen this often. I think that this is why so many adult Christians end up hating Christmas. This holiday comes with so many issues that the other's don't.
 

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I don't care for in-your-face tactics with any issues. Overly self-righteous atheists bother me as much as self-righteous religious people.



They didn't. There is mention of, "Nature's God," (not man's god; a distinction important in a time when humans were believed to be above nature) and another, "... by their Creator," in the Declaration of Independence, but no mention of the Judeo-Islamic-Christian god.

There is no mention of any deity in the Constitution.

This is in the 2nd paragraph of the Declaration:

...that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

note that Creator is capitalized.

Also, in the Signatory section of the U.S. Constitution:

"Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven".

Not trying to nitpick you Jason, but these references appear to be to God.