Frankly, I think Spike is being a big whiner. He used to be a talented director, but anyone think Spike engineered this whole flap just to get publicity for his new film about african american soldiers in WW2? I mean think about it, he insults Eastwood's movies along a racial line. Clint responds that "he should shut his face", and points out that when he does moves about African Americans (like Bird, about Charlie PArker) he cast AA's and when he does movies about white people, he casts white people... Predictably, instead of a rational response, Spike goes right to "he's not my father and we aren't on a plantation." i mean seriously...anyone think this is a bit histrionic on Lee's part? --------- here is the exchange in chronological order: first Spike Lee, talks about Clint with no provocation at the Cannes Film Festival where he was promoting his own WW2 film. There were many African-Americans who survived that war and who were upset at Clint for not having one [in the films]. That was his version: the negro soldier did not exist. I have a different version."..."Clint Eastwood made two films about Iwo Jima that ran for more than four hours total, and there was not one Negro actor on the screen," Lee said. "If you reporters had any balls you'd ask him why. There's no way I know why he did that ... But I know it was pointed out to him and that he could have changed it. It's not like he didn't know."In an interview Eastwood answered back. In typically outspoken language, Eastwood justified his choice of actors, saying that those black troops who did take part in the battle as part of a munitions company didn't raise the flag. The battle is known by the image of US marines raising the American flag on Mount Suribachi. "The story is Flags of Our Fathers, the famous flag-raising picture, and they didn't do that. If I go ahead and put an African-American actor in there, people'd go: 'This guy's lost his mind.' I mean, it's not accurate." Referring to Lee, he added: "A guy like him should shut his face."..Defending the racial make-up in his films as historically accurate, Eastwood referred to another of his films, Changeling, which was set in Los Angeles before the city had a large group of African-Americans. "What are you going to do, you going to tell a fuckin' story about that?" he said. "Make it look like a commercial for an equal opportunity player? I'm not in that game. I'm playing it the way I read it historically, and that's the way it is. When I do a movie and it's 90% black, like Bird, then I use 90% black people. "He was complaining when I did Bird (the 1988 biopic of Charlie Parker). Why would a white guy be doing that? I was the only guy who made it, that's why. He could have gone ahead and made it. Instead he was making something else." (*note....there were black extras in Flags of our Fathers, shown on transports, since they were only allowed to participate as part of a munitions company due to the Armed Forces restrictions....this is a brief cutaway to show they were not, indeed totally ignored) Eastwood told Focus when asked about Lee's criticism. "The U.S. military was segregated til the Korean War, and the blacks in World War Two were totally segregated. The only black battalion on Iwo Jima was a small munitions supply unit that came to the beach.------------- ImageShack - Hosting :: flagsstillzo8.png if that doesn't work try below http://i25.tinypic.com/rjmed2.jpg ---------------- Clint finished by stating Eastwood's next project, The Human Factor, will be about Nelson Mandela's attempts to foster national unity in post-apartheid South Africa. Asked if he would remain historically accurate with depictions of the former president, he said: "I'm not going to make Nelson Mandela a white guy." ------------ Spike Lee's response "First of all, the man is not my father and we're not on a plantation either," he told ABCNEWS.com. "He's a great director. He makes his films, I make my films. The thing about it though, I didn't personally attack him. And a comment like 'a guy like that should shut his face' -- come on Clint, come on. He sounds like an angry old man right there." Lee has a proposal for Eastwood: "If he wishes, I could assemble African-American men who fought at Iwo Jima and I'd like him to tell these guys that what they did was insignificant and they did not exist," he said. "I'm not making this up. I know history. I'm a student of history. And I know the history of Hollywood and its omission of the one million African-American men and women who contributed to World War II." "Not everything was John Wayne, baby," Lee added. "I never said he should show one of the other guys holding up the flag as black. I said that African-Americans played a significant part in Iwo Jima," he said. "For him to insinuate that I'm rewriting history and have one of the four guys with the flag be black no one said that. It's just that there's not one black in either film. And because I know my history, that's why I made that observation." "Even though he's trying to have a Dirty Harry flashback, I'm going to take the Obama high road and end it right here," he told ABCNEWS.com. "Peace and love." --------------- is it just me, or does Spike Lee want to just argue with everybody on the face of this earth? I mean, nobody is denigrating the contributions of AA's to WW2...there are some great films about the Tuskegee Airmen and others who fought so bravely. It's true that AA's and whites did not fight together in mixed units at the time apparently, in the marines AA's were not trained as the assault troops, but in nominally rear echelon functions, such as ammunition supply, orderlies and burial parties. The first waves of marines were attacked by the Japanese defenders after they had landed on the beaches. In the chaos which followed, some of the black supply troops got mixed up with the fighting troops, and ended up fighting anyhow. .......... Apparently 110,000 marines were sent to Iwo Jima, and official estimates of the AA contingent was around 900. In the supply companies like the Marine Depot Companies which had black Marines. two black Marines were awared Bronze Stars for their actions as well. so everyone knows they participated....but it Clint also didn't go into the heroic actions and those white troops who won awards that weren't involved in the flag raising either... so what do you guys think? is this fair criticism or just bitching and whining by Spike? After all, A native american was one of the flag raisers...is it such a big deal that Eastwood did not show some cutaways of AA's firing machine guns when he didn't show anyone else really fighting down on the beach as teh fight moved up Mt. Suribachi, and focused only on the company of guys who were in teh flag raising group? Or is Spike just trying to stir up some publicity for himself? Clint has always supported African americans in film, Forrest Whitaker, Morgan Freeman, has made movies about important AA's like Bird about Charlie Parker....True Crime about a wrongly accused young africanamerican man, is making a film about Mandela... Is this all bullshit?