Theres No Gold Star Gay Men In Gay Porn Anymore. The Rise Of Sexual Fluidity.

[sylarrr007]

When Sexual Fluidity Is Turned Against Us
That article was written by a fellow bisexual that knows how the world works not just the west,the world but others wanna sit here and argue about something their fellow bi/sexually fluid/unlabelled can see

 

[sylarrr007]

Yes, if you choose to label yourself, do. I feel like I said that I take no issue with that several times. What demographic are you claiming I’m in? You’re just proving my point.

And you choosing to unlabel yourself is ok. What's not ok is you trying to gaslight this issue for people who have chosen and decided to adhere to a label, experiences differ and yet again you just proved my point about bathing in only waters

 

[Juicy22k]

And you choosing to unlabel yourself is ok. What's not ok is you trying to gaslight this issue for people who have chosen and decided to adhere to a label, experiences differ and yet again you just proved my point about bathing in only waters

He probably the same guy that believe that being gay is misogyny because they do not want to have sex with women, and do not wanna date women and will curse out a gay man for saying ew Vagina is gross, but praise a lesbian woman for saying dick is gross unless she’s talking about a trans woman.

 

[AfterHours69]

I love the mountain of assumptions about me.

People here are defining bisexuality as anything other than 100% gay or 100% straight, leaving no room for differences of opinion.

You don’t have to agree with me. You can try to attack and belittle me for being from “the west,” but the real issue is I don’t agree that you are capable of labeling others for them with your definition of sexuality, or denying their truth. That’s something as humans internally, no matter the time or place, we decide for ourselves. It seems like you are asking people to go against who they know who they are, based on their lives and personal journeys, their personal soul searching, so that it helps you by fitting into your world view. That’s just a different type of conversion therapy if you ask me.

 

[AfterHours69]

And if I told you I was a man who only had sex with men, aka “Gold Star Gay,”…what? It shouldn’t make a difference.

 

[Juicy22k]

I love the mountain of assumptions about me.

People here are defining bisexuality as anything other than 100% gay or 100% straight, leaving no room for differences of opinion.

You don’t have to agree with me. You can try to attack and belittle me for being from “the west,” but the real issue is I don’t agree that you are capable of labeling others for them with your definition of sexuality, or denying their truth. That’s something as humans internally, no matter the time or place, we decide for ourselves. It seems like you are asking people to go against who they know who they are, based on their lives and personal journeys, their personal soul searching, so that it helps you by fitting into your world view. That’s just a different type of conversion therapy if you ask me.

What you saying is actually kind of dumb labels are important to everybody, including to the non-labels. There is no such thing as a non-label world.

 

[Juicy22k]

And if I told you I was a man who only had sex with men, aka “Gold Star Gay,”…what? It shouldn’t make a difference.

No, it wouldn’t make a difference, but there are people that will be mad at you for only having sex with men. There are literal, feminine straight women that get mad at gay men for not dating and sleeping with a woman, and they caught them misogynistic for not dating and having sex with women there was a gay man who posted that he was 100% gay and a feminist woman with upset with him for saying that.

 

[AfterHours69]

No, it wouldn’t make a difference, but there are people that will be mad at you for only having sex with men. There are literal, feminine straight women that get mad at gay men for not dating and sleeping with a woman, and they caught them misogynistic for not dating and having sex with women there was a gay man who posted that he was 100% gay and a feminist woman with upset with him for saying that.

That’s their problem, no?

 

[AfterHours69]

What you saying is actually kind of dumb labels are important to everybody, including to the non-labels. There is no such thing as a non-label world.

I am not saying we live in a nonlabel world. My experience with labels is it gives people a false sense of your identity without getting to know you or your experiences as a person. For me, I chose to minimize the amount I use labels to describe myself and even others. That’s my choice and my preference. Anyone who chooses to can label themselves to their heart’s content. That’s their choice. I don’t have any issue with that. I do however take issue with people “correcting” other people’s chosen labels.

 

[Smallteaplant]

I am not saying we live in a nonlabel world. My experience with labels is it gives people a false sense of your identity without getting to know you or your experiences as a person. For me, I chose to minimize the amount I use labels to describe myself and even others. That’s my choice and my preference. Anyone who chooses to can label themselves to their heart’s content. That’s their choice. I don’t have any issue with that. I do however take issue with people “correcting” other people’s chosen labels.

Labels exist because we live in a society. In a society, everything comes with a material or social cost. Labels exist because it describes the attributes that an individual processes. Yes, labels are used to oppress others. But labels are used to negotiate one's boundaries and needs as well.

I have no issue with people "correcting" other people's chosen labels. Because labels aren't personal, they're communal. If men with bisexual attractions or past bisexual behavior that can affect gay men as a whole.

No, I can’t understand, and I guess I just never will.

Other people don’t get to define me. Other people can “think” sexuality is a choice, but my argument is the labeling is a choice, not the sexuality. I get that politically, people making or supporting these ideas that sexuality is a choice can make life difficult…but I also don’t owe those people anything. I don’t owe them an explanation for my life. I don’t owe them an apology.

If everyone would just mind their own damn business and stop inserting themselves in other’s lives, we’d be a lot better off. I get that we don’t live in that kind of world at the moment. Still, the choice I have is how I define myself, and by saying that, I am in no way endorsing conversion therapy. That is a warped way of interpreting that.

This is cute. But that isn't how the world works. You don't decide your own labels or even a non-label. Society will give you one anyway. You might not owe people anything, but someone might have to pay the cost for your behavior.

 

[Pitlick69]

After going through all this dumb arguments, I really feel like we don't deserve any rights. There were times when gays faced discrimination by this hetero-normal society only because they were a bit different and had a label. For this very label, they fought for their rights, for which their future generations will always be thankful for and take pride in. But some dumb people who have this rights nowadays are again turning hetero-normal saying really dumb (I repeat really dumb) excuses like sexual fluidity or normalising gays having sex with women and whatnot. It feels like, the rights that this old generation fought for are totally meaningless. If they see, for what kind of dumb people they started the Pride marches , they'll be ashamed and would think that we should have really been ashamed of ourselves afterall. Just imagine you fight for something really hard and get it, only to find out that your future generations giving up on that thing with dumb excuses. You'll surely be disappointed.
We are already a minority and the hetero-normal majority society will always be homophobic coz they think (majority of them) that their way of having sex is natural and the sex we have is some kind of unnatural thing, an addiction or a mental disorder and this so called broad minded gays are normalising their way of having sex with dumb excuses I mentioned above. Now some self-claimed broad minded gays will say that sexuality is just not about having sex it's about love, then the love you people talk about is also about people loving someone of same gender as them.

I admit I'm a really narrow minded gay guy coz I grew up with the idea that gay means a guy who loves guys ONLY!!!!! and my narrow mind can't comprehend the fact that gays have sex with women and still call themselves gay. It's not my concern what people do in their private lives but if it's really that private why do they publicize it in the 1st place saying I'm a gay guy and fucked my 1st pussy that too being really proud of their deed.

 

[AfterHours69]

Labels exist because we live in a society. In a society, everything comes with a material or social cost. Labels exist because it describes the attributes that an individual processes. Yes, labels are used to oppress others. But labels are used to negotiate one's boundaries and needs as well.

I have no issue with people "correcting" other people's chosen labels. Because labels aren't personal, they're communal. If men with bisexual attractions or past bisexual behavior that can affect gay men as a whole.




This is cute. But that isn't how the world works. You don't decide your own labels or even a non-label. Society will give you one anyway. You might not owe people anything, but someone might have to pay the cost for your behavior.

And who decides the labels? They’ve changed throughout history. How? Why?

And who is paying for the cost of my behavior?

I think some people need to ask themselves why they feel the need to control other people’s sexual identities.

 

[AfterHours69]

After going through all this dumb arguments, I really feel like we don't deserve any rights. There were times when gays faced discrimination by this hetero-normal society only because they were a bit different and had a label. For this very label, they fought for their rights, for which their future generations will always be thankful for and take pride in. But some dumb people who have this rights nowadays are again turning hetero-normal saying really dumb (I repeat really dumb) excuses like sexual fluidity or normalising gays having sex with women and whatnot. It feels like, the rights that this old generation fought for are totally meaningless. If they see, for what kind of dumb people they started the Pride marches , they'll be ashamed and would think that we should have really been ashamed of ourselves afterall. Just imagine you fight for something really hard and get it, only to find out that your future generations giving up on that thing with dumb excuses. You'll surely be disappointed.
We are already a minority and the hetero-normal majority society will always be homophobic coz they think (majority of them) that their way of having sex is natural and the sex we have is some kind of unnatural thing, an addiction or a mental disorder and this so called broad minded gays are normalising their way of having sex with dumb excuses I mentioned above. Now some self-claimed broad minded gays will say that sexuality is just not about having sex it's about love, then the love you people talk about is also about people loving someone of same gender as them.

I admit I'm a really narrow minded gay guy coz I grew up with the idea that gay means a guy who loves guys ONLY!!!!! and my narrow mind can't comprehend the fact that gays have sex with women and still call themselves gay. It's not my concern what people do in their private lives but if it's really that private why do they publicize it in the 1st place saying I'm a gay guy and fucked my 1st pussy that too being really proud of their deed.

They fought for the right to be authentically themselves, and for others to live authentically as themselves.

And, you know, the first Pride parade was only in 1970, not a thousand years ago.

 

[Pitlick69]

And who decides the labels? They’ve changed throughout history. How? Why?

And who is paying for the cost of my behavior?

I think some people need to ask themselves why they feel the need to control other people’s sexual identities.

Have you ever heard about a thing called coming out? It's a thing where a person tries to express his feelings in words called as labels. This very words differs that person from the rest people.
The thing is that we as a community (if you think you are part of it) are together solely because of this labels.

About your behaviour, I'll say that imagine you as a gay guy(sry to label you) have sex with a woman and her bf finds out. He'll surely turn homophobic afterwards if he wasn't before. That's how your broadminded behaviour affects someone and our community as a whole

They fought for the right to be authentically themselves, and for others to live authentically as themselves.

And, you know, the first Pride parade was only in 1970, not a thousand years ago.

And we're already making them feel ashamed with this dumb argument.

 

[Smallteaplant]

And who decides the labels? They’ve changed throughout history. How? Why?

And who is paying for the cost of my behavior?

You're thinking too small at the individual level. Those who decided the labels are the people who control the discourse and the institutions. Every day people also have a part in deciding which labels are valid or not. It's not a conspiracy against you.

The why is for numerous reasons. One being status, power, and material rewards.

I think some people need to ask themselves why they feel the need to control other people’s sexual identities.

Civilization is built on the control and repression of people's sexual lives. Due to the link between procreation and sex, sexuality has always been controlled. Even hunter and gather societies have sexual taboos. Everything in life comes with a price, even sex. Sex is probably the one thing that most psychoanalysts would argue can never be fully liberated.


And what do you mean by "control other people’s sexual identities"? Take a look at this female-dominated forum where they're talking about this man who announced that he's dating a transwoman. Just by that announcement, many women labeled him non-straight or un-dateable.

Former Bad Boy Artist from the Group B5 Comes OUT! + Relationship with L&HH Trans D Smith

Did he label himself? No. But his actions did.

 

[AfterHours69]

About your behaviour, I'll say that imagine you as a gay guy(sry to label you) have sex with a woman and her bf finds out. He'll surely turn homophobic afterwards if he wasn't before.

That’s on that dude, not me. I’m not responsible for his thoughts and feelings. I used to think as a child that I had to be a “model minority,” but you know what? When you act a certain way to gain acceptance, people who already have biases against a certain group, they will just say, “He’s one of the ‘good ones.’”

As to my point about who decides and why have they changed over time, it’s important. The term “bisexual” as we know it today wasn’t even accepted as a term until the late 70s. Why? Because people were like, “Gay…doesn’t fit me. Straight…doesn’t fit me.” I imagine people had the same arguments y’all 100% are having here, but reversed. “You’re a man who is attracted to men! You’re a queer!” But the Bi’s pressed on. It’s about “understanding how languages and communities have evolved.” I read that last part in an article.

 

[AfterHours69]

And what do you mean by "control other people’s sexual identities"? Take a look at this female-dominated forum where they're talking about this man who announced that he's dating a transwoman. Just by that announcement, many women labeled him non-straight or un-dateable.

That’s exactly what I mean. You say it’s his actions, when it’s really those women.

 

[Smallteaplant]

That’s exactly what I mean. You say it’s his actions, when it’s really those women.

yes, but his actions cost him. Biological women are less likely to date to him unless the benefit overrides whatever stigma he carries.
I’m done.

 

[AfterHours69]

And it’s not my goal to convince you to be like me, or believe me, or change your ways. The original post asks, “What do you think…?” Beyond that, I’m just explaining myself, responding to posts, being called dumb, being told my response doesn’t count because I’m some kind of privileged westerner. I think it’s all kinda funny how it’s gone off on this direction. I think I prefer to avoid the gatekeepers of sexual identity (and identity in general). Whatever helps y’all sleep at night.

 

[AfterHours69]

yes, but his actions cost him. Biological women are less likely to date to him unless the benefit overrides whatever stigma he carries.
I’m done.

Yeah. I never said there’s not a consequence. That’s those ladies issue to work out. Find you a woman or a trans woman who loves you for you. There’s billions of people in this world. Fuck those women. Why would you want them?