Theres No Gold Star Gay Men In Gay Porn Anymore. The Rise Of Sexual Fluidity.

[BuckyD]

Chaturbate is interesting one on this because of the diversity of straight guys you get on there.

Some will be totally fine with being objectified, with gay guys talking about how much they wanna be inside them etc and even play up to it. They'll often use a lovense of similar which just fuels the gay fantasy. It IS all tip based of course.

The more interesting one to me is that the guys who are really playing up the straight card, are happy to talk about anything apart from gay sex subjects and will NEVER shove anything up their ass!!!

Very often these guys - if they are built, handsome and hung OR twinkish but cocky - will make it to the very top of the firstpage with more viewers than anyone else. That whole gay fantasy about turning a gay guy or maybe being able to still tip a straiugh STRAIGHT guy to do something...often thought it was a little unfair that the obviously gay boys would be stuck way behind these guys are therefore naturally get less viewers but it is what it is.

There is in fact a kind of game that goes on in these sites where guys who are able to tip heavily are in fact able to turn some of the hot cocky "no gay" types into frankly gay entertainers over repeated shows, eventually getting them to put things in their asses and exhibiting progressively more frankly gay appealing behaviour up to and including sucking cock and being barebacked on cam.

Such tippers become kind of celebrities in their own right among the audience for these shows. All the virtues and vices of social media can be observed in these shows and the lengths that performers will go to in trying to maintain their popularity. It is a strong mind and character that does not eventually fall victim to the logic of the online meat market!

 

[dave in oz]

Everything that i said comes from sexologists. As i said earlier, i watched many tv shows through the years with sexologists talking about many things related to sex. In this case, the Kinsey scale. So, everything that i said comes from them. You do realize that by claiming that my post is bullshit, that you automatically claim that what these sexologists said is also bullshit. So, i learn about the Kinsey scale from these sexologists a long time ago. So, i know what i'm talking about. Actually, i know quite a lot about sexology. I read a lot about it and as i said, i watched many tv shows about sexuality.

That Kinsey test you provided doesnt mean anything. Its basically like you would have provided a cheap IQ test from the net. By the way, i tried the test. Just out of curiousity. Guess what ! After checking all the into men only questions, my results came off a Kinsey 5. AH AH HA HA ! Yeah right ! Then you, a man who had sex with women in the past, have a Kinsey 6 result. Theres clearly something wrong there. Its shows that this test is bogus and not reliable. I'm pure gay. I never had sex with women. I always have sex with men. But, that test still gave me a Kinsey 5 result. So, if you wanna be taken seriously and being credible, then dont ever post another link like that.

Your quote
'' I had had sex with women in the past but currently found it undesirable and only had sex and sexual thoughts about men.''

My quote
'' Kinsey 5 silver star gay men might have had sex with women in the past but only or mostly have sex with men from now on.''

Do you see how your quote fits the Kinsey 5 scale ?

Since you dont seems to believe the legit Kinsey scale, who i repeat, comes from sexologists, then i redone that Kinsey scale in a playful, and meaningful way. I will show you the regular Kinsey scale who basically is the same in less colorful.

Rating	Description
0	Exclusively heterosexual
1	Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2	Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3	Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4	Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5	Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6	Exclusively homosexual

So, you see that i didnt hallucinated. My Kinsey scale represents the same as the regular one. Just more playful and colorful.

Since you dont seems to believe me, then you might believe wikipedia below. Who are basically going the same way as me.

The Kinsey scale ranges from 0 for those interviewed who solely had desires for or sexual experiences with the opposite sex, to 6 for those who had exclusively same sex desires or experiences, and 1–5 for those who had varying levels of desire or experiences with both sexes, including "incidental" or "occasional" desire for sexual activity with the same sex.

Alfred Kinsey, the creator of the Kinsey scale, is known as "the father of the sexual revolution."The Kinsey scale was created in order to demonstrate that sexuality does not fit into two strict categories: homosexual and heterosexual. Instead, Kinsey believed that sexuality is fluid and subject to change over time. '' I already talked about that many times '' So, you see that i was right all along. So, you see that (solely) doesnt mean mostly. It means only. You also see that (exclusively) A.K.A. only also doesnt mean mostly. Do you get it now ?

You are a mostly gay Kinsey 5 man.
I'm exclusively and only a Kinsey 6 man. I'm a gold star gay. I never touched vaginas. I only touched cocks. And its gonna stay that way. Forever.

So, next time you want to implie anything, make sure to know your facts well before calling bullshit. Especially when you face somebody who already have the facts.

IMPORTANT - Numbers are used to designate paragraphs so if you need to quote something please feel free to use the paragraph number for ease...and brevity.

1. I appreciate your the effort you went to in your response and rest assured I now absolutely know that you have watched television shows about sexuality and you know lots about this area because sexologist has been said a lot in your response.

2. Before I start I wonder where Platinum Star gays fit in your Kinsey Scale definition? Perhaps you should contact one of your sexologist friends and ask them to come up with something? Also when you say "VAGINA = EWWWWW GROSSSSSS" to describe a Gold Star Gay does this mean .... butt stuff is OK? Just checking, I like to be precise when it comes to penis. Also I bolded butt stuff cause I knew it would get your attention.

3. It seems you missed the core point of my response.

4. I did not say the Kinsey scale was bullshit, I said you attaching this star rating to it is bullshit. Or are you telling me eminent sexologists are now using terms like gold star gay and descriptions like "GOLD STAR GAY = 100 GAY A.K.A (KINSEY 6) PURE GAY - VAGINA = EWWWWW GROSSSSSS"

5. The Kinsey scale evaluation is based on sexual activity and preference at any given moment. In other words your Kinsey scale can change over your life and your Kinsey scale rating is based on current day not what you did or felt when you were 14. Unlike your star rating.

6. PLEASE re-read 5 at least once more and then go to the next sentence.

Feel free to skip to paragraph 10 if you wish. This is just me getting bored and feely story-timey to illustrate a point.

7. Lets say a guy - lets call him Will - in his college years was pursued by a girl (lets call her Grace) as a romantic interest. Will WANTED to be attracted to her because Will did not want to be gay but could not go through with it. A few months later Will DID try sex with Diane (penetrative sex) and after that knew he had no interest in women.

8. After a discussion with his friend, lets call him Jack, he is able to admit that he is gay and goes on to live a long and happy (well long) life as an out and proud gay men.

9. If, at 40 (he would claim he is only 34 and according to Jack, is fat and bald) he is assessed against the Kinsey scale he would be a 6. 100% gay with no interest at all in the opposite sex. But how is this possible because he could not be a Gold star gay?!?!?

10. This is because the Kinsey scale evaluation is based on your assessment of your attraction and experiences at any given time. Not who you were attracted to 20 years ago but who you are attracted to and sleeping with now.

11. The gold, silver blah star ratings are based on a lifetime and banish me to not-gold-star if my penis was ever inside a woman. Which it has not been, remember? Also I am, adopted so I am not sure if I could be a Platinum Star Gay - that would explain the air of mystery that surrounds me I suppose. Anyway back to this, we are nearly there.

12. In summary. Star ratings like Gold, Silver, Bronze refer to a lifetime.

13. TL;DR Kinsey Scale evaluation refers to your behaviours and attraction at any given point in time NOT who you have had sex with over a lifetime. Your Kinsey Scale CAN change over time and your number at 16 is not necessarily your number at 60.

P.S. Don't forget we need to attach Platinum to an as yet unnamed Kinsey Scale level. Maybe 7 - SUPER GAY?

 

[HavilandGeorge]

This is a good way to look at it man. I agree and think there is more good sex happening between men now than ever before, at least in the post industrial age, thanks to the climate of tolerance and openness about human sexuality that has spread since people realized that most countries are seriously over populated anyway.

I think the large number of straight males taking advantage of this new social climate to experiment consequence free with same sex encounters really enlarges gay culture even if it does change it in some ways and even if many of them continue to seek str8 relationships as well.

Of course the mere fact that gay sex is no longer condemned and persecuted by most advanced societies means that it has lost its former cachet of being edgy, risky and forbidden which was paradoxically part of its attraction and fascination say 50 or 60 years ago. The passage of time and evolving social attitudes are bound to change human culture and gay culture is no exception. In a way these changes are just proof that the struggle for human equality has made some real progress in recent times.

Hopefully we won't miss the transgressive aspect of gay sex too much in this new world and will be able to focus on finding and enjoying compatible partners for the kinds of sexual pleasure that you can only enjoy with another male!

I really like your statement about how gay culture has changed.... i think bc of that, some gay ppl of older gens (and this is no shade to anyone) struggle with this change in gayness or gay identity in 2023. It's different than it was in the 90s, 70s, and further back. All those contexts that shaped being gay then have inevitably shifted or downright changed since then

 

[BuckyD]

I really like your statement about how gay culture has changed.... i think bc of that, some gay ppl of older gens (and this is no shade to anyone) struggle with this change in gayness or gay identity in 2023. It's different than it was in the 90s, 70s, and further back. All those contexts that shaped being gay then have inevitably shifted or downright changed since then

Hopefully it is leading to a world in which everybody will be able to enjoy a richer, more varied and more fulfilled sex life!!

 

[dave in oz]

Hopefully it is leading to a world in which everybody will be able to enjoy a richer, more varied and more fulfilled sex life!!

It really is great to see that a lot of teenagers today, when a buddy says they are gay, are basically "Meh yeah whatever".

Over time hopefully it won't even be a thing and will be as benign as saying "Yeah, I am more football than basketball".

 

[BuckyD]

It really is great to see that a lot of teenagers today, when a buddy says they are gay, are basically "Meh yeah whatever".

Over time hopefully it won't even be a thing and will be as benign as saying "Yeah, I am more football than basketball".

Exactly and seeing the large number of young guys who include openly gay guys among their friends is really an encouraging development.

 

[Lukesilver]

this makes sense and I can understand that frustration, but truthfully, this is the issue with labels, they don't always fully encapsulate our real identities. Perhaps it feels threatening to some, but no one is entitled to another's idea or concept of sexuality or any other identity. If I say i'm gay, but I'm not gay in the way you are (i.e. maybe I also eat some p*ssy here and there), that's me. it's odd that people desire such purity of sexuality from some and not others (and ive been seeing more and more gay men complain abt this and also bisexuality) bc these straight actors actually do still call themselves straight despite having many sexual experiences with men, thus the birth and rise for "G4P" and gay men love that or encourage thw specific idea of a straight gay doing gay things. They love the excitement of it... Fluidity is for everyone and it shouldn't be a bad thing, gayness isn't dying or being diluted, no one's trying to erase gay identity, it's just growing and ppl gotta get used to change

The thing that I think a lot of people in this thread are forgetting is homophobia. Maybe you want to live in your little bubble and act like homophobia doesn't exist anymore but I'm going to burst your bubble. We have to acknowledge the fact that gay (or lgbtqia+) rights have progressed immensely these past few years in the west, but homophobia is very much still a thing. There are, in 2023, still people who are actively fighting against our rights, trying to paint being gay as a choice. And then there are guys (or non binary ppl) out there who claim avidly that they are gay whilst being with women, something that just doesn't happen if you're gay. Gay guys might experiment, but if they like it, they're bi, if they don't, they're gay. Fucking women and still clinging on to the label of gay, not only is giving ammunition to the homophobes out there who have the "proof" that being gay IS a choice and that you can be gay AND fuck women, it's also changing the labels of gay and bi for no reason. Labels like "homoflexible" just make no sense.

 

[RazorUniverse]

The thing that I think a lot of people in this thread are forgetting is homophobia. Maybe you want to live in your little bubble and act like homophobia doesn't exist anymore but I'm going to burst your bubble. We have to acknowledge the fact that gay (or lgbtqia+) rights have progressed immensely these past few years in the west, but homophobia is very much still a thing. There are, in 2023, still people who are actively fighting against our rights, trying to paint being gay as a choice. And then there are guys (or non binary ppl) out there who claim avidly that they are gay whilst being with women, something that just doesn't happen if you're gay. Gay guys might experiment, but if they like it, they're bi, if they don't, they're gay. Fucking women and still clinging on to the label of gay, not only is giving ammunition to the homophobes out there who have the "proof" that being gay IS a choice and that you can be gay AND fuck women, it's also changing the labels of gay and bi for no reason. Labels like "homoflexible" just make no sense.

Thank you. Agree and will add there are currently active politicians attempting to take away our rights. “Don’t Say Gay” has been an avalanche and we will once again be used as a pawn in the next presidential elevation. If all of you bi fluid pan etc guys out there truly believe it’s no big deal and gay is evolving than make sure every one of your asses gets to the polls and votes for people who will secure our rights. Be part of the solution.

 

[accidenttourist]

I have to chime in here. While I am 100% gay, I think "Gold Star" must be in the eye of the beholder. For example, I can get serious wood watching "Straight Guy for Gay Eyes" porn made with excitement of gay men in mind.

+1.
Funny to see here that some want their porn star to be exactly like their fantasy (100% gay, 100% top, 100% SM dominant, etc).
Again, porn is fantasy acted out. Asking porn stars to be exactly like your dream, you may as well look for an escort who genuinely enjoys having sex with you. That may be a less unrealistic task!
Both porn and escorts are paid fantasies. Period.

As to why earlier gay porns may seem to produce more "stars", I'd simply attribute that to the rise of social media. It's no longer possible to even try to hide one's real sexual preferences, and perpetually maintain a porn personality that's totally disconnected from real life. (cf. "tasting note" after using escort services).

To illustrate my point, please watch the final documentary on Marlene Dietrich ("Marlene" - 1984). The timeless gay icon sarcastically threw acid on how good she was in making belief an image that's nothing more than a façade and your fantasy. And honestly, that kind of Hollywood star quality is no longer possible to fabricate with FB and phone cameras everywhere!

Enjoy the porns while they are good performances!

 

[StrenghtenMe]

"Its becoming very common. It looks like theres no 100% gay men in gay porn anymore. Which is dissapointing. Especially when gay porn used to have gay men who were really 100% gay. Now, they all embrace and even seems to encourage gay men do follow this sexual fluid trend."
Of course there are tons of "100% gay men in gay porn" just look at modern Sean Cody lmao. Most of the guys at TitanMen and Helix are homosexual.
It's gay porn after all. "Totally" gay men always existed no matter if in 70's or now. Sexual fluidity is real thing among bisexual people( some call it bi cycle) so I agree that gay men shouldn't be forced to like something that's unnatural to them.

Theres another thread about gay porn stars who are supposedly gay who make bisexual scenes. But these gay porn stars are clearly not 100% gay. They are sexually fluid or even closeted bisexual men. Most men in this thread are basically encouraging it. This thread is disturbing and wrong. I cant believe so many gay men are into this sick fantasy about gay men having sex with a woman. Its not hot. Its problematic. They are basically giving ammunitions to homophobic straight people who says that being gay is a choice. Therefore, they thinks that gay men can choose to go straight again.
It's ironic that almost always the same people who will defend the claim that most gay-for-pay models are literally heterosexual will also doubt a claim that gay models who sleep with trans or cis women can be homosexual. Double standards? Straight guy fantasy? Maybe. Personally I think that neither of the group(majority) is hetero/homo. I dont see anything wrong with this type of fantasy; its not really any different from straight guy having sex with gay guy.
Yeah cause homophobes dont have anything better than analysing gay porn lmfao. Homophobes think sexuality is a choice because they believe in free will which doesn't exist so I dont think it matters what view is currently promoted by porn.

cant watch nowadays gay porn anymore. Because its so obvious that theres no such things as gold star gay men in gay porn anymore. They are all sexually fluid. I think that gold star gay men are aware of it by now. Gay porn stars are either mostly into women or mostly into men. Theres no Kinsey 0 men or Kinsey 6 men in gay porn. It mostly a Kinsey 1 men and Kinsey 5 men affair.
How tf you can sense which guy on the screen is gold star? In porn guy is either into guys or not and you can somehow notice that. Maybe you think that all are sexually fluid because majority of guys identify as bisexual which bring us to next thing... Majority of gay porn stars would fall between 2 and 4 on a Kinsey Scale as de facto bisexuals. There are few Kinsey 0 guys( literal gay-for-pay) and many K 6 guys (duh). I would argue heteroflexible guys (K1) are way more common than homoflexible(K5). Sexuality is truly a spectrum.

Gay porn from the 70s = Gay for pay were minority. The vast majority were gold star gay men.

Gay porn from the 80s = A bit more gay for pay men, gold star gay men were still the majority.

Gay porn from the 90s = At that point it was almost 50/50. Gold star gay men were still at the top.

Gay porn from the 2000s = Gold star gay men lost their majority there. Many gold star gay men left.

Gay porn from the 2010s = This is when it all went down.

Gay porn from the 2020s = Unwatchable.

I dont know if either "straight guy" fetish become a hot topic during 90's and many bisexual guys pretended to be straight or straight men in gay porn became more vocal thanks to raise of this fetish but I would never said that heterosexual men were majority even in 00's which was a hot decade for gay4pay; there was one study from 2006 that indicated that 25% of gay porn stars identified as heterosexual so you can tell at its peak 1 in 4 guys in porn were straight. Today (late 10's early 20's) I would say 5% are heterosexual, 35% are homosexual and 60% are bisexual.

Sexuality is not black or white. Theres all the shades of grey in the middle. And theres more then fifty shades.
100% agree

What do you think about gay porn stars who claims to be 100% gay but still have sex with many women inside and outside of gay porn?
The same what most people think about gay porn stars who claim to be 100% straight but still have sex with many men inside and outside porn- they are delusional or extremely desperate; in either case is sad, not hot.

 

[deleted1338543]

The Kinsey scale has long since been debunked as methodologically flawed pseudoscience (see, e.g., https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2015820117) for a peer-reviewed write-up.

I think folks here are conflating several unrelated things:

1. Gay culture qua culture.
2. Same-sex attraction.
3. The willingness to engage in same-sex sexual activity.
4. The hyperfractionalization of identity in postmodernist thinking that leaves terms like "gay" largely devoid of essential content.

Disambiguating these points is probably a prerequisite to having a meaningful conversation on the subject. Especially because it's trendy nowadays to conflate sex, sexual expression, and sexual orientation into a more complex and nebulous concept of "gender" (which itself is scientifically incoherent) in ways that lead -- on the Internet, anyway -- to tribal warfare rather than a useful teasing-out of nuance.

 

[RazorUniverse]

Again, feel free to believe what you want and practice what you desire. Just make sure you and your friends are on the right side of history and are ALL voting for equal rights for LGBTQ people.

 

[HavilandGeorge]

The thing that I think a lot of people in this thread are forgetting is homophobia. Maybe you want to live in your little bubble and act like homophobia doesn't exist anymore but I'm going to burst your bubble. We have to acknowledge the fact that gay (or lgbtqia+) rights have progressed immensely these past few years in the west, but homophobia is very much still a thing. There are, in 2023, still people who are actively fighting against our rights, trying to paint being gay as a choice. And then there are guys (or non binary ppl) out there who claim avidly that they are gay whilst being with women, something that just doesn't happen if you're gay. Gay guys might experiment, but if they like it, they're bi, if they don't, they're gay. Fucking women and still clinging on to the label of gay, not only is giving ammunition to the homophobes out there who have the "proof" that being gay IS a choice and that you can be gay AND fuck women, it's also changing the labels of gay and bi for no reason. Labels like "homoflexible" just make no sense.

I completely agree that there are lots of people, including those with capital and power, who seek to harm the LGBTQIA+ community. However, to equate the burgeoning changes we see in how people identify (or specifically the men whose sexual behavior doesn't neatly fall into the sexual orientation label they choose) with people who hate and wish to harm gay people through invalidation and manipulation is unfair and disrespectful. Our individual identities shouldn't be weaponized for some possible fight for the collective.... right? Like, instead the better way of dealing with the homophobic tactics you mention folks might be taking is to flesh how dumb they are.... because one could argue then that heterosexuality also is a choice and doesn't really exist given the prevalence of straight men who experiment (this has become a mighty popular topic within media in the last 20 years), the existence of G4P, and so many other examples of where straight folks (men and women) do things that aren't straight... I could easily say heterosexuality is a choice, one influenced and imposed on us all from birth through media, society, our family, and so on. Homophobia is not going to go away bc straight people still feel some kind of way about it; saying it's a choice is just a lame attack that doesn't hold any ground when examined. That doesn't mean bc they say dumb shit that gay men have to do xyz or not do xyz just to live in their truth as a gay person. Homophobic people will find anything to demonize gay people.

 

[HavilandGeorge]

Thank you. Agree and will add there are currently active politicians attempting to take away our rights. “Don’t Say Gay” has been an avalanche and we will once again be used as a pawn in the next presidential elevation. If all of you bi fluid pan etc guys out there truly believe it’s no big deal and gay is evolving than make sure every one of your asses gets to the polls and votes for people who will secure our rights. Be part of the solution.

Very important, gay people in however and whatever gay looks like for you, are all impacted by these regressive and detrimental political attempts and everyone in the community needs to vote and fight back in whatever way they can. It affects us all. Still, we don't need to gatekeep gay identity

 

[RazorUniverse]

I completely agree that there are lots of people, including those with capital and power, who seek to harm the LGBTQIA+ community. However, to equate the burgeoning changes we see in how people identify (or specifically the men whose sexual behavior doesn't neatly fall into the sexual orientation label they choose) with people who hate and wish to harm gay people through invalidation and manipulation is unfair and disrespectful. Our individual identities shouldn't be weaponized for some possible fight for the collective.... right? Like, instead the better way of dealing with the homophobic tactics you mention folks might be taking is to flesh how dumb they are.... because one could argue then that heterosexuality also is a choice and doesn't really exist given the prevalence of straight men who experiment (this has become a mighty popular topic within media in the last 20 years), the existence of G4P, and so many other examples of where straight folks (men and women) do things that aren't straight... I could easily say heterosexuality is a choice, one influenced and imposed on us all from birth through media, society, our family, and so on. Homophobia is not going to go away bc straight people still feel some kind of way about it; saying it's a choice is just a lame attack that doesn't hold any ground when examined. That doesn't mean bc they say dumb shit that gay men have to do xyz or not do xyz just to live in their truth as a gay person. Homophobic people will find anything to demonize gay people.

All I am saying is that it's every decent person's responsibility to stand up and fight for LGBTQ rights. It's none of my business what people do and how they label or identify. Maybe these are two different conversations, but they are intrinsically connected. Porn stars that dip their toes into LGBTQ sex need to support equal rights for all gender and sexuality. Regular folks like us who do the same also need to stand up and support equal rights 100%. Otherwise, the Christian Right and the DL folks are all in the same camp. The DL people don't need to come out if they are not ready. They just need to vote for the right people and support the right causes.

 

[HavilandGeorge]

All I am saying is that it's every decent person's responsibility to stand up and fight for LGBTQ rights. It's none of my business what people do and how they label or identify. Maybe these are two different conversations, but they are intrinsically connected. Porn stars that dip their toes into LGBTQ sex need to support equal rights for all gender and sexuality. Regular folks like us who do the same also need to stand up and support equal rights 100%. Otherwise, the Christian Right and the DL folks are all in the same camp. The DL people don't need to come out if they are not ready. They just need to vote for the right people and support the right causes.

Right! The essential point is be gay in whatever way you are gay but xon't claim to be gay and not be down for the gays and our rights! (As a side note, not at all related, but also I say this to white allies of the black community - be an ally in your way, and make sure you vote to protect black lives!)

 

[RazorUniverse]

Right! The essential point is be gay in whatever way you are gay but xon't claim to be gay and not be down for the gays and our rights! (As a side note, not at all related, but also I say this to white allies of the black community - be an ally in your way, and make sure you vote to protect black lives!)

100% thank you George

 

[Jeffer2580]

The thing that I think a lot of people in this thread are forgetting is homophobia. Maybe you want to live in your little bubble and act like homophobia doesn't exist anymore but I'm going to burst your bubble. We have to acknowledge the fact that gay (or lgbtqia+) rights have progressed immensely these past few years in the west, but homophobia is very much still a thing. There are, in 2023, still people who are actively fighting against our rights, trying to paint being gay as a choice. And then there are guys (or non binary ppl) out there who claim avidly that they are gay whilst being with women, something that just doesn't happen if you're gay. Gay guys might experiment, but if they like it, they're bi, if they don't, they're gay. Fucking women and still clinging on to the label of gay, not only is giving ammunition to the homophobes out there who have the "proof" that being gay IS a choice and that you can be gay AND fuck women, it's also changing the labels of gay and bi for no reason. Labels like "homoflexible" just make no sense.

Although we rarely agree on topics but this is an exception. I was just laughing whilst reading what @BuckyD and @HavilandGeorge were spitting and it's completely obvious they are locked into their own western bubble. Seriously to both of you.....this is not the case outside of the west and I can say this as a Nigerian who migrated to the west,on the "openly gay men having sex with women" thread,I made it known how my cousins saw me watching that thread early last year when I went to Nigeria for a funeral,they literally used that to justify their homophobia saying homosexuality is a choice,it was so bad that I couldn't even defend the gays because they were 8 against 1. I really do see why Marco is mad but sometimes I question if my conversion therapy is blocking me from seeing why he's really mad or if he's just exaggerating. My take on this is if a gay man who happens to be a pornstar is sleeping with women for work either for a shoot or as an escort,as long as he gets paid, casepoint,Chris damned.....no biggy but it you are still referring to yourself as a gay man and you are sleeping with women off cam especially when you brag about enjoying it and you go back to do it as many times possible when it ain't for work,then that's a huge problem,like dude....just come out as bi as you are even adding to the bi stigma

 

[RazorUniverse]

Right! The essential point is be gay in whatever way you are gay but xon't claim to be gay and not be down for the gays and our rights! (As a side note, not at all related, but also I say this to white allies of the black community - be an ally in your way, and make sure you vote to protect black lives!)

and if you hate the word gay or think it's last century, use words that work for you, or don't use words at all, just support and vote for equal rights for everyone. We are all in this together.

 

[deleted1338543]

Right! The essential point is be gay in whatever way you are gay but xon't claim to be gay and not be down for the gays and our rights! (As a side note, not at all related, but also I say this to white allies of the black community - be an ally in your way, and make sure you vote to protect black lives!)

"Our rights?" That's a sticky wicket.

I'm 200% in favor of equal rights. But a lot of what's passing for contemporary rights-based demands aren't about equal rights, they're about special rights. Demanding that every gay person be a San Francisco Progressive marching like a herd of independent minds is a hard pill to swallow for those of us in the Midwest who just want to live and let live in Evangelical America without having values forced upon us, or forcing our own values upon others.