Theres No Gold Star Gay Men In Gay Porn Anymore. The Rise Of Sexual Fluidity.

[samuelviana700]

Not at all. Good, bad, both are subjective and ESPECIALLY unable to be determined from birth! I think we all have equal capacity for both though.

If something happens to "awaken the true inner self" would that not look like their personality changing to everyone else? What fundamentally is the difference?

Again, I just think its an old, outdated thought that psychology today is trying to change. They used to say personality was static but now they realize it always was able to be changed. Just takes time effort, or sometimes a traumatic experience.

You are 'almost' right but I just wanted to emphasize or reinforce some points, we can say that it is universally recognized as evil, stealing, killing for money, envy or jealousy, prejudice based on race, color, gender, sexuality..., causing wars with selfish goals, corruption, are some of the most accepted of what it means to be evil, if you develop any of these dark forces and show it during or after 18 years I think you were born like that but you waited to mature or the right time to practice and understand and that's not going to change for anything

 

[Cum_is_Great]

You are 'almost' right but I just wanted to emphasize or reinforce some points, we can say that it is universally recognized as evil, stealing, killing for money, envy or jealousy, prejudice based on race, color, gender, sexuality..., causing wars with selfish goals, corruption, are some of the most accepted of what it means to be evil, if you develop any of these dark forces and show it during or after 18 years I think you were born like that but you waited to mature or the right time to practice and understand and that's not going to change for anything

Hmm... Would you accept the opposite? Someone who developed evil traits since a kid but then changes and is more "good" and denounced their past ways. Were they always born good?

I understand what you mean though but many people don't realize the biases we make in general and how some of our logic doesnt work when the subjects are changed. So what I mean is, I think personality definitely can change, either willingly or not. Becoming evil later in life doesnt mean they always were evil since birth. What we may consider evil today also may be changed for the past. Thats what I mean by subjective.

We all have the capability for evil and good. It may be more difficult for some than others to act it out. Never give up on someone just because they are older and "become" evil. Sometimes they are just lead astray, get confused or are just acting out what they truly *think* is the right thing to do. (Not talking about blatent theft, killing out of anger etc. But stuff like racism or homophobia)

 

[Cum_is_Great]

Also, I'm gonna bow out for now. I'm a little too high to be fully coherent express myself properly lol. But I do understand what you mean!

 

[samuelviana700]

Hmm... Would you accept the opposite? Someone who developed evil traits since a kid but then changes and is more "good" and denounced their past ways. Were they always born good?

I understand what you mean though but many people don't realize the biases we make in general and how some of our logic doesnt work when the subjects are changed. So what I mean is, I think personality definitely can change, either willingly or not. Becoming evil later in life doesnt mean they always were evil since birth. What we may consider evil today also may be changed for the past. Thats what I mean by subjective.

We all have the capability for evil and good. It may be more difficult for some than others to act it out. Never give up on someone just because they are older and "become" evil. Sometimes they are just lead astray, get confused or are just acting out what they truly *think* is the right thing to do. (Not talking about blatent theft, killing out of anger etc. But stuff like racism or homophobia)

The problem can be subjective if you look at it from this angle, it's that for people who commit evil they don't see it that way, they think that what they do is right, it's good, for a better future. Do you think the Nazis, Islamic State, Hamas or other terrorist groups think what they do is worthy of revulsion? No, so the issue is whether they recognize themselves as such, these are some examples of people who will never change their lifestyle because they think what they are doing is right. So it's really difficult to explain what is good or bad in this sense

 

[sylarrr007]

Uncharacteristically, I can answer you in a few sentences. You make the same mistake everyone else keeps making. No-one, neither a private person nor a ‘celebrity’, a company, or a porn star, is ‘truly themselves’ on social media. At best, they are who they believe to be them. And in most people, that’s a huge difference.
When money is involved, the disparity becomes even more pronounced. Wittingly or unwittingly, someone is going to emphasise their best qualities.
It is also well-documented that maintaining views is a very powerful incentive for people. Almost to the point of addictive. And I need not remind you that addicts take drastic measures to get their fix. (A video of suicide victims comes to mind… )
What you see is NOT what you get. Ever.



It’s a long post but you basically confirm what I called ‘the proverbial only gay in the village’, ie you surmise these people react as strongly as they do because they have established, as @jellyfishh so beautifully introduced, a parasocial relationship with the performer as Ersatz for actual interhuman relationships.

Yet again,the point literally flew over your head, like I said "living in your own bubble"

 

[Alex57]

This has absolutely nothing to do with politics whatsoever. The site you quoted is religion-based, and I cannot take any content based on religion seriously. One of many reasons that I despise/abhor religion, is that its followers are brainwashed to the point where they fail to recognise that religion** is nothing more than a (rationally unfounded) interpretation of a belief system and its relics.
Furthermore, I live by the separation of state and church, and I’ll firmly hold the premise that no arbitrary belief system will ever have any say in governing any state.

By citing that site, especially when you read their reasoning - based on premises of their religion, you make clear that you do *not* look at the matter objectively (in fact, your earlier assumptions about people working in those areas made painfully clear that you don’t look at it objectively, at all).

Simply put: there isn’t a single reproducible rationale behind what the site wrote, just some semantics based on the premise that prostitution is ‘evil’ and porn is, too. Haven’t looked through the entire site but I’m certain it’s full of drivel like horrible diseases one gets from masturbation, the evils of sex outside marriage - with a woman, of course - etc.

But prostitution is just a job. And I agree that there is a lot of human suffering associated with some kinds of prostitution, but in other ‘branches’, people live happy, complete lives (gigolos, for instance). In pornography even more so. With the onset of OnlyFans, there are now quite a few people who don’t mind their job, and maybe even like it.
Why then judge them for their choice? Because ‘sexuality is sacred’? Our animal species is very sexual and sexuality, I firmly believe, plays a very important role in our social connections. It is the role religions have played - their attempts to gain power by controlling the most basic requirements of human life (eg food, sex) - that has seriously hurt our societies, time and time again.


**before anyone gets offended: I could care less what you belief in. As long as you don’t proselytise nor attempt to make others live by your religion in any way.

All I will say is based on your responses on this thread, you’re a morally bankrupt person and this has nothing to do with religion. I’m not religious but not all religious people are bad people. No matter how you try to sugarcoat it, porn is not a positive thing for society. It’s legal prostitution because it’s taxed by the government.

 

[Jjsurp99]

It doesn't change, not in the way you think because there are two things that are forever: your personality and your sexuality, boy lol

Whatever you say girl lol

 

[samuelviana700]

All I will say is based on your responses on this thread, you’re a morally bankrupt person and this has nothing to do with religion. I’m not religious but not all religious people are bad people. No matter how you try to sugarcoat it, porn is not a positive thing for society. It’s legal prostitution because it’s taxed by the government.

Porn is partly a product of liberalism that emerged after the industrial revolution in the United Kingdom that spread across the planet or American only global Superpower

 

[jellyfishh]

All I will say is based on your responses on this thread, you’re a morally bankrupt person and this has nothing to do with religion. I’m not religious but not all religious people are bad people. No matter how you try to sugarcoat it, porn is not a positive thing for society. It’s legal prostitution because it’s taxed by the government.

It's weird because one minute you complain and say we should gatekeep gay porn so there's more "gold star gays" and so straight and bi pornstars can't do "gay4pay". But then the next minute you say porn is prostitution and a negative thing for society. If you hate bi people so much (proven by the comments you leave everywhere) why would you want them to leave gay porn? Surely you'd want them to be seen in a 'negative light' to fit your narrative. Instead, you want more gay pornstars, you want bi people to fall off the face of the earth and you want to argue that gay porn is prostitution and negative for society.

 

[freeballerlondon]

Yet again,the point literally flew over your head, like I said "living in your own bubble"

Because I don’t subscribe to your rambling ‘theory of everything’**? It actually tells me quite a bit about you - but I shan’t delve into that.

It is quite simply put, a bit silly. (Even more so if you knew what I do for a living ) I am most definitely aware of the plight of rainbow people in many countries around the world, and in my way, try to do what I can, to help. E.g., by donating to Nifty (and I can highly recommend everybody else to do so as well).

But porn is not the most important source of ‘community’ for those people. Nor for that matter, for anyone in the closet. I am a clear believer of pornography as an outlet, a way to encourage masturbation, explore new ideas and experiment, and become more at ease with one’s sexuality, but it is demonstrably one of the worst media to self-identify with. Pornography is something to consume in moderation - and variation - but one should always realise that the actors are just that. Actors. I.e. fictional characters.

All I will say is based on your responses on this thread, you’re a morally bankrupt person and this has nothing to do with religion. I’m not religious but not all religious people are bad people. No matter how you try to sugarcoat it, porn is not a positive thing for society. It’s legal prostitution because it’s taxed by the government.

Oh dear. Don’t clutch those pearls too tightly, dear, you might crush them!
Makes one wonder how you would feel if you actually *knew* me! Did you know that I’m a big proponent of masturbation and am known to gift my friends with “those” toys? That in my group of friends, I’m the one whom you can tell anything because I don’t judge? That I am - gasp! - not white?

Silliness aside - would you mind sharing why you consider me morally bankrupt? Because I don’t subscribe to antiquated and damaging views? Incidentally, you should really learn the difference between religion and belief: e.g. “

not all religious people

”
Should read: “not all people who believe in some deity|ies”.
You claim not to believe in a god, yet everything you’ve thus far written and supplied belies that. History lesson: the reason the monotheist, abrahamic religions are opposed to prostitution is simply because their origins as a minority religion amidst polytheist majorities, made that they had to distinguish themselves. Make it impossible for their followers to mix with other. And how did they do that? By controlling basic human needs. Food. Sexuality (which is also why they mutilate boys, incidentally)

Prostitution was used as a form of worship, for some people. For others, it was a way to earn a living. And pornography is, simply put, the oldest form of art known to our animal species. Because sex is really important for our species

In nature, there is no such thing as true black, or white - only a myriad of colours. And similarly, most things aren’t simply ‘good’ or ‘bad.

**it’s a reference to a physics concept

 

[Jjsurp99]

I hope everyone touched some grass

 

[006]

Makes one wonder how you would feel if you actually *knew* me!

I would feel nothing

 

[Marco Tony]

Most men in gay porn are bisexual men who are deceptively labeling themselves “gay” to deceive their homosexual audience. These men know that having sex with women does not sell in gay porn. They are usually having sex with women on their onlyfan and many of them don’t promote it on their porn social media pages because they know they would receive a backlash and reduced subscription. Most of these men usually get unpopular after they start to promote their straight sex videos.

It is also important to remember that it’s mostly broken people with drugs and mental health issues that gets involved in porn prostitution to fuel narcissistic behaviours. Many of these men live deluded lives.

Judgmental and untrue. Generalize much. Most porn stars are not like that. How can you say such thing when you dont even know gay porn stars. Most gay porn stars actually have a regular job besides porn. They are able to be stable and normal. Not all gay porn stars do drugs. Porn stars are in general very sexual and exhibitionist. So besides money, they do porn for fun. It turns them on to know that people see them have sex in videos. You are closed minded. If you wanna see the real definition of deluded, then you should just look in the mirror.

 

[Marco Tony]

That's a good question. OP seems to spend his day keeping tabs on different pornstar's sexualities. If anyone has any form of interaction with a woman, who he assumes is gay, he updates this thread and complains about sexual fluidity and bisexual people. I've even seen him in multiple other threads, asking for the creator's sexuality/speculating on it. Seems obsessive at this point. Idk why people form parasocial relationships with these pornstars and feel they NEED to know their sexuality. Pornstars try to keep their personal lives separate from their profession hence things like stage names. Either jerk off to them or don't but it's unhealthy to care so much about a stranger's sexuality to the point that you feel betrayed when it doesn't line up with what you assumed.

The thing you dont get is that these sexually fluid gay porn stars who pretends to be gay are problematic. They gives amunitions to homophobics who believes in conversion therapy. So gay men who complains about it is justified. Many gay men likes to think that the gay porn stars who claims to be gay, are actually legitely really. Not fake gays like most of them are. Which kills the fantasy. Most gay porn stars are either Kinsey 1 or Kinsey 5. So they are mostly straight or mostly gay. I'm not obsessed. I'm concerned. Gay porn should be all about gay men having gay sex. Its GAY porn after all. Gay porn stars should just cut the crap and admit being bisexual. Food for thought.

 

[Marco Tony]

People change when they get older dude you can't expect most people to be one way all their life.

You are wrong. You just implied that people who are straight or gay will eventually switch to bisexual. Which is ridiculous. I was always 100% gay and will always be 100% gay. Theres millions of gay men who will also remain 100% gay all their life. Without exceptions. Thats why they are called gold star gays. Age have nothing to do with it. I will assume that your are drunk or just ignorant.

 

[freeballerlondon]

I would feel nothing

You are not Alex57, now are you

 

[freeballerlondon]

The thing you dont get is that these sexually fluid gay porn stars who pretends to be gay are problematic. They gives amunitions to homophobics who believes in conversion therapy. So gay men who complains about it is justified. Many gay men likes to think that the gay porn stars who claims to be gay, are actually legitely really. Not fake gays like most of them are. Which kills the fantasy. Most gay porn stars are either Kinsey 1 or Kinsey 5. So they are mostly straight or mostly gay. I'm not obsessed. I'm concerned. Gay porn should be all about gay men having gay sex. Its GAY porn after all. Gay porn stars should just cut the crap and admit being bisexual. Food for thought.

After all these discussions, where everyone addressed what you wrote multiple times, you just choose to ignore everything (probably didn’t even read it) and re-iterate your original point. (Also deeply disrespectful to everyone, but that’s beside the point)

You are right - this is not obsessed, you are either:
A) a broken record
B) a (post)adolescent
C) a bot
D) suffering from some form of autism or OCD

Or an LLM instructed to behave as a (post)adolescent suffering from autism.



The funny thing is that your point is completely outlandish, too: “If homophobes would keep tally as obsessively as I do, when watching gay porn, they’d notice the same pattern I have which would fuel conversion therapy.”

You should team up with @sylarrr007

[I think the correct answer is B, incidentally]

 

[Jjsurp99]

You are wrong. You just implied that people who are straight or gay will eventually switch to bisexual. Which is ridiculous. I was always 100% gay and will always be 100% gay. Theres millions of gay men who will also remain 100% gay all their life. Without exceptions. Thats why they are called gold star gays. Age have nothing to do with it. I will assume that your are drunk or just ignorant.

That's cool

 

[jellyfishh]

You are wrong. You just implied that people who are straight or gay will eventually switch to bisexual. Which is ridiculous.

Most gay porn stars are either Kinsey 1 or Kinsey 5. So they are mostly straight or mostly gay.

Gay porn stars nowadays are sexually fluid. They belongs in the bisexual spectrum. Thats why they make bisexual scenes.

Bro make your mind up. Do you even know what sexual fluidity is? Or are you just chatting waffle.

Are they sexually fluid, gay, straight or bi. Pick one.

 

[ILoveGames48]

The thing about the porn world/industry is money talks bullshit walks..

I stated one time to a few friends about a gay porn star .. he was totally gay( yes I knew /know him but haven’t seen him in years .. he is probably retired from the industry and working as an owner of a bed and breakfast in Hawaii … hmmm..)

Anyhow he couldn’t even stand the site of pussy not even in pictures or porn.. but with his 7 inch cock and massively thick member.. he was offered so much to fuck a female and he declined.. they doubled the price and he says ok .. he will do it..

He tells me on phone one night what he was doing I was like no way.. well he does it.. he says the few times at first where he wasn’t erect was edited out but he finally screwed her and she wished she never did it with him.. as she said it felt twice as round inside her.. I was like.. I could have told her that and laughed ..


That was his only porn he did with a female but he says a lot of gay guys are paid to fuck girls and a lot of straight guys are paid to fuck guys..


And he has left a few guys assholes gaping open when he got done with them.. ..


But he is retired( so he is in vintage porn) living with his husband ..

He wanted me to be in a porn with him.. but I never went.. he wished he had the first time he fucked me on video .. said me with my face in a pillow screaming like he was killing me .. didn’t seem funny then but be funny to see now.. ..


But people say they will never do anything but if the money is right they will do it