They found a killer now?

[B_Stronzo]

Yes, one more sick bastard took from the streets of this world and hope he will receive the full weight of punishment of his crimes.

These are always the sentiments which bring out the sensationalism in modern journalism.

the "mob mentality" thing is so "Oprah"

I hope that what would come of this is that people would find out why (if indeed the man's guilty of the crime) anyone would choose to do such a horrid thing.

Until we know what motivates such heinous acts we can do nothing but expect more of same no matter who the culprit in this case.

 

[Gisella]

These are always the sentiments which bring out the sensationalism in modern journalism.

the "mob mentality" thing is so "Oprah"

I hope that what would come of this is that people would find out why (if indeed the man's guilty of the crime) anyone would choose to do such a horrid thing.

Until we know what motivates such heinous acts we can do nothing but expect more of same no matter who the culprit in this case.

He is already guilty of the crime he fled the USA: Child pornography!!!

I'm no talking about a crime he is still pressume inocent...but what he has to 'pay' bcause he is already found guilty.

If Oprah dramatize things dont know but if the reality of kids lives in poor places is not pretty as the USA for sure is not...what i find soooo unbeliavable the reality here for exemple is that something bad that can traumatize kids they have a bunch of couseling going on in schools and etc...yeh right and good...but kids are traumatize all over the word without couseling as here and laws that really can protect them...if here is all perfect and work smooth like movies? For sure not!

But at least myself did not learn with Ophrah the realities and struggles of third world country: I lived and saw with my own eyes!!!

 

[B_Stronzo]

He is already guilty of the crime he fled the USA: Child pornography!

Please don't be angry Gisella. I'm not mainstream in my thinking like most. I don't think because someone has been found guilty of child pornography he needs to be drawn and quartered (of necessity). I believe the only way to stop it is to find out what motivates these individuals.

I understand that everyone wants a "pound of flesh" (as Shakespeare said) these days but as I attempted to outline in my last post until we're able to understand what motivates crimes against people generally (without a lynching mentality) we're simply dealing with the symptom rather than the cause.

I'm not talking about a crime he is still pressume inocent...but what he has to 'pay' bcause he is already found guilty.

Okay

If Oprah dramatize things dont know but if the reality of kids lives in poor places is not pretty as the USA for sure is not...what i find soooo unbeliavable the reality here for exemple is that something bad that can traumatize kids they have a bunch of couseling going on in schools and etc...yeh right and good...but kids are traumatize all over the word without couseling as here and laws that really can protect them...if here is all perfect and work smooth like movies? For sure not!

Sorry Gisella I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here. I simply will not have my American reality dictated by a talk show host. Between Oprah Winfrey and Phil McGraw the new American standard is being subliminally hurled at us by the bourgeosie. Oprah's a menace.

I'm not buying it.

But at least myself did not learn with Ophrah the realities and struggles of third world country: I lived and saw with my own eyes!!!

I'm sorry your reality growing up was so difficult. But that's not the topic here. The topic is the media frenzy around this foolish JonBenet Ramsey case and I think it's an outrage to thinking Americans that so much of what's deemed "news worthy" reduces itself to this sensationalist side of things.

 

[surferboy]

i'm not saying it's the parents fault because of how they grieved. i'm saying it's their fault because things were too convenient. like i said earlier, the killer found everything he or she used way too easily, plus the killer had time to write and re-write a ransom letter. i'm sorry, but to me, that screams that the parents were involved.

 

[Matthew]

i'm not saying it's the parents fault because of how they grieved. i'm saying it's their fault because things were too convenient. like i said earlier, the killer found everything he or she used way too easily, plus the killer had time to write and re-write a ransom letter. i'm sorry, but to me, that screams that the parents were involved.

The Boulder police thought the same way, and according to those who followed up on the investigation later, it led to a tunnel-visioned approach that undermined the search for an outside perpetrator. Most who have looked carefully at the evidence since the initial investigation do not believe it supports the theory of the parents' guilt.

I saw it all on Court TV.

 

[Gisella]

Please don't be angry Gisella. I'm not mainstream in my thinking like most. I don't think because someone has been found guilty of child pornography he needs to be drawn and quartered (of necessity). I believe the only way to stop it is to find out what motivates these individuals.

I understand that everyone wants a "pound of flesh" (as Shakespeare said) these days but as I attempted to outline in my last post until we're able to understand what motivates crimes against people generally (without a lynching mentality) we're simply dealing with the symptom rather than the cause.





Okay



Sorry Gisella I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here. I simply will not have my American reality dictated by a talk show host. Between Oprah Winfrey and Phil McGraw the new American standard is being subliminally hurled at us by the bourgeosie. Oprah's a menace.

I'm not buying it.



I'm sorry your reality growing up was so difficult. But that's not the topic here. The topic is the media frenzy around this foolish JonBenet Ramsey case and I think it's an outrage to thinking Americans that so much of what's deemed "news worthy" reduces itself to this sensationalist side of things.

yeh..my english understanding is worse than i thought...a simple tittle: 'They found a killer now?'

I thought Jeff was talking about the guy...ops...

Anyways, in my mind you can wish to analize his and others who commit crimes anyway you want..but while he is locked away.

If media all over the place are sensationalist they are and in some coutries they show the cadavers and mutilated bodies of vitms of crimes...that is the way it is if want to change have to make new laws to media behave better...

But what i'm talking about and off topic as you said is about victms of crimes and under age ones..if that are people that wish to lynch them in public square yes of course..but as much as i despise anyone who commits such terrible acts including child pornography, i wish that the authorities and the law are the one who take them and lock them away.

For sure my life was a paradise compared with many others..i'm no victm but for sure will fight that all kind of predatores are caught and put away.

A crime was commited against a little girl and underneath all the media images of showing her in grown up clothes and make up...she was the victm and a little girl...

And this guy Karr has explaining to do to the law for sure.

Of course iam angry because for sure i belong to 'mainstream' morality that do not accept any adult excuses why he commit a crime involving kids, in this situation: pornography.

Anyways...i'm off topic.

 

[B_Stronzo]

But what i'm talking about and off topic as you said is about victms of crimes and under age ones..if that are people that wish to lynch them in public square yes of course..but as much as i despise anyone who commits such terrible acts including child pornography, i wish that the authorities and the law are the one who take them and lock them away.

I don't think that's the long range solution. You and I disagree here.

For sure my life was a paradise compared with many others..i'm no victm but for sure will fight that all kind of predatores are caught and put away.

Gisella I understand this passion because I feel precisely as adamant about 'putting away' people who impose their own narrow morality on others.

A crime was commited against a little girl and underneath all the media images of showing her in grown up clothes and make up...she was the victm and a little girl...

Much as it's a sad and terrible case I don't care about it.

And this guy Karr has explaining to do to the law for sure.

This is where I see the "mob mentality" thing. You're actually buying into the media hype. I'd caution you against it. It's what put Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey in the "hot seat" to begin with and lest it occur again (with this fellow being "victim du jour") I'd caution against it.

Of course i am angry because for sure i belong to 'mainstream' morality that do not accept any adult excuses why he commit a crime involving kids, in this situation: pornography.

We all, as Americans, need to be mindful that if we're going to go about in great groups condemning things out of hand as "abuse" and "pornography" we become as much a part of the problem as the solution.

I say we keep the story out of the media and let the law of the land do its work. I have no investment in him or the Ramseys.

 

[Gisella]

I don't think that's the long range solution. You and I disagree here.
G;
Yes, we do...i dont think that are a solution to some problems. Some people are just sick in their minds and will not make sense ever, unfortunatly. To study behaviours and make sense and answer all whys's...well, i do think we have to spend money and resources to benefit so much them..anyways there is already so much pharmaceutical drugs $$$ being giving to healthy people with some problems as cobaias (later find out that was supose to make it better made worse..)..why dont expend money and making safer drugs and drugs to treat many terminal deseases and other deseases that are so much in need ?



Gisella I understand this passion because I feel precisely as adamant about 'putting away' people who impose their own narrow morality on others.



Much as it's a sad and terrible case I don't care about it.

I do care about victms and most of them are never on the news anyways...



This is where I see the "mob mentality" thing. You're actually buying into the media hype. I'd caution you against it. It's what put Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey in the "hot seat" to begin with and lest it occur again (with this fellow being "victim du jour") I'd caution against it.

Trully Stronzo..i dont watch to much tv...only 1 month ago that i got the cable box with a bunch of channels...:biggrin1: for this i supose i dont know many things..

Gont know about if he is guilt or innocent not went to court yet..and for sure the media as always will play the same stuff over and over again...but what i'm try to say that i dont see the picture as you do...i cant help to see this problem as a global one. Is a real problem all over...



We all, as Americans, need to be mindful that if we're going to go about in great groups condemning things out of hand as "abuse" and "pornography" we become as much a part of the problem as the solution.

G:Yes unfortunatly seems like in school..a few minority play bad and the majority pay the price...but unfortunatly there has to be some sort of regulation bcause that are many that just abuse the freedom. For sure if is the only way i will have to give up my enjoyment as grown up to see another grown up bodies, because of child pornography...but for sure that that may be conservatives and etc setting the extra stronger rules...but than we have to fight the excess for sure. some how...


I say we keep the story out of the media and let the law of the land do its work. I have no investment in him or the Ramseys.

G;I think just the same...but dont think it will happen...

 

[B_Stronzo]

The "sickest" thing about it (since I just forced myself to watch the news segment on Karr) is that it appears his "confesssion" may be simply a bid for attention.

It does nothing but support the contention that too much media does not "healthy" make.

The sole reason I've posted on this thread is to bring attention to the phenomenon that our culture it entirely media driven. Take a good long look at this Karr person. SPOOOOOKY! And if you bother to follow the thing take a good strong look at his face. He's eating up the attention.

Why do we know about anyone named JonBenet Ramsey when many others die similarly heinous deaths daily? :33:

Three reasons:

1) Evidence of sexual abuse

2) Implied monied family

3) Morbid fascination with other people's lives

 

[Shelby]

My wife's gonna be all over this like stink on shit.

In the unlikely event that I find myself in front of a tv it'll be on the history channel and if I'm lucky they'll be showing Band of Brothers.

Meanwhile my boys will be on another tube playing GTA (or the like) or watching girls gone wild.

My house sooo wants to be a trailer.

 

[B_Stronzo]

shelb?

Just make sure the lads aren't watching boys gone wild....

We'd hear the shock waves to their father from here.:wink:

 

[Shelby]

Stonz you'll probably be shocked and surprised to know that I've thought about this and they're ultimate sexual orientation will have no bearing whatsoever on my love for them or my behaviour. That shit's for real.

I will tell them it might be a difficult way of life. You may not like hearing that but I can only speak from my heart when it comes to the boys.
​

 

[B_Stronzo]

I knew I liked you Shelby. And somehow no, I'm not shocked. Good man.

 

[DaveyR]

Stonz you'll probably be shocked and surprised to know that I've thought about this and they're ultimate sexual orientation will have no bearing whatsoever on my love for them or my behaviour. That shit's for real.

I will tell them it might be a difficult way of life. You may not like hearing that but I can only speak from my heart when it comes to the boys.

​

Just how it should be Shelby. Good on you.:smile:

 

[CUBE]

Just how it should be Shelby. Good on you.:smile:

Shelby, man, nothing more masculine then a straight guy comfortable in his own world.

 

[rob_just_rob]

Accurate to say that they found a killer, as opposed to the killer.

Police departments are under tremendous pressure to solve high-profile cases like this one. I gather that it's more important to arrest someone (which provides the appearance of success, or progress, at least) than it is to arrest the right person.

 

[JustAsking]

I suppose you have a point, and I realize that there is nothing anyone can do to change it. I just can't help but feel that such sensationalism is not only a humiliation but also a disservice to any American citizen who turns on the TV or radio in search of REAL news.

I am not one to point fingers or put down anyone's occupation. I recognize that these reporters and networks are only doing their jobs. However there is a lot to be said about dignity and respect. After all, a mafia hit man is doing his job, does that mean that we should dismiss his criminal behavior simply because it's "his job". I hope not. Of course I'm not equating criminal behavior with tacky media reporting…but still, you get my point. A spade is a spade, no matter how you look at it. Doing a job is irrelevant, what you can (or can't) do to change it is irrelevant. Putting an individuals pain/dirty laundry on public display is a shameful way to gain attention, end of story. All IM simple minded O, of course :smile:

Curiousgirl, I think you were right the first time. Things changed in TV journalism during the first gulf war when CNN got tremendous ratings. Up until that point, networks ran news departments at a loss and did it as a public service. They saw it as a responsibility. I am sure there was bias from time to time, but they didn't just chase every sensational story. After CNN's success, suddenly news departments became profit centers where they now had to pull their own weight. So their mantra became "If it bleeds, it leads" and it worked.

In the old days, you watched network news for journalism and you read the Police Gazette magazine in the barber shop for the titillating murder mysteries. Now you get only the tittilating on tv news.

 

[B_Stronzo]

Curiousgirl, I think you were right the first time. Things changed in TV journalism during the first gulf war when CNN got tremendous ratings. Up until that point, networks ran news departments at a loss and did it as a public service. They saw it as a responsibility. I am sure there was bias from time to time, but they didn't just chase every sensational story. After CNN's success, suddenly news departments became profit centers where they now had to pull their own weight. So their mantra became "If it bleeds, it leads" and it worked.

In the old days, you watched network news for journalism and you read the Police Gazette magazine in the barber shop for the titillating murder mysteries. Now you get only the tittilating on tv news.

I think so too JustAsking.

I think the thing really took off during the O.J. Simpson case too beginning with the chase of the infamous white Ford Bronco slathered all over the television screen. I remember thinking consciously then "what in the name of....?"

 

[GoneA]

It always annoyed me that the number one reason all the media know-it-alls gave for suspecting the mother was that she didn't seem to be grieving. Fuck all of them. Who are they to tell a mother how to grieve? When my mother and Aunt died, my grandmother was cool as November. That's how women in my family grieve. We refuse to have strangers witness our private anguish. We won't even show each other unless it's very extreme. If I'm ever a mother and one of mine is victimized, I guess I'll be a suspect to. "That's one cold bitch," they'll say of me.

I agree. That only goes to show, though, how "sensationalized" this whole ordeal has become. "What!!?? The mother's face isn't red or lips trembling or eyes watery! Clearly, she's killed her child - and how!."

Ugh, and the set-up is perfect, too. An upper class, law-abiding, clean-cut, God-fearing, family actually has a dirty secret. Simply put, good on the outside, evil on the inside. As Matthew pointed out, the investigators even allowed the yellow press to lead the direction of the investigation by trying to wrap their heads around the ideas published in that decade's journalism.



A future Dean Koontz novel at best.

 

[AlteredEgo]

I agree. That only goes to show, though, how "sensationalized" this whole ordeal has become. "What!!?? The mother's face isn't red or lips trembling or eyes watery! Clearly, she's killed her child - and how!."

Ugh, and the set-up is perfect, too. An upper class, law-abiding, clean-cut, God-fearing, family actually has a dirty secret. Simply put, good on the outside, evil on the inside. As Matthew pointed out, the investigators even allowed the yellow press to lead the direction of the investigation by trying to wrap their heads around the ideas published in that decade's journalism.



A future Dean Koontz novel at best.

Yes, it's right up his alley! A weird, cautionary tale.... I can almost see it.

Fucking gross.

I agree!