Thin women look better clothed, larger women look better naked?

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Actually, I was thinking about the cultural stereotyping that is different in our age and why.

I was also thinking that we design our top clothes for coat hangers. Whereas, I have a West African woman friend who has a full figure and she looks drop dead in her traditional clothes.

Then I was also thinking on a more personal note that I am rather stuck in classical confines, but not perhaps as you may think. I can't think of a classical erotic nude where the woman is as thin as today's supposed perfection, nor can I think of a modern artist who paints size zeros. I wonder if idealization has taken the place of true feminine eroticism?
 

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Actually, I was thinking about the cultural stereotyping that is different in our age and why.
Believe it or not Tyra Banks did a very good show about just that about two months ago.


I was also thinking that we design our top clothes for coat hangers. Whereas, I have a West African woman friend who has a full figure and she looks drop dead in her traditional clothes.
Hmmm, hadn't thought about that but you are right. The women that I know from Africa always look better when clothed in their native dress than when wearing more conservative western apparel.


Then I was also thinking on a more personal note that I am rather stuck in classical confines, but not perhaps as you may think. I can't think of a classical erotic nude where the woman is as thin as today's supposed perfection, [QUOTE]nor can I think of a modern artist who paints size zeros.
That's because there is no challenge in drawing stick figures. :tongue:
I wonder if idealization has taken the place of true feminine eroticism?
Yes, it has. You need only look at porn to see that.
If you want to see a big; but not fat woman they can be found in amateur porn. Women that do not have abs or buns of steel are relegated to the fetish categories of BBW or Fat Chicks. :12:

While Ruben's women were a bit chubby for my liking I have always been partial to Ingres' Odalisque.

 

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I prefer skinny woman because I am a thin guy myself. I don't like when I'm on top of a girl and she's wider than I am. If a girl is a little chubby I don't mind as long as shes smooth. It grosses me out when a girl has random bumps of fat and places stick out that shouldn't. I hope I don't offend anyone with this.


Nooooooo not at all!!!!

Why on earth should I be offended by the fact I'd 'gross you out'?!!?! :rolleyes:
 

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I am not saying that thin women don't look good naked, nor that larger women don't look good clothed, but I am wondering if they each look better as in the title and what that says about our stereotypes.

Larger ladies should go naked :biggrin1:

Yeah yeah, so should "larger" men. :rolleyes:

I think it depends on the woman and her build and everyone's taste varies!
 

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Now he's gone and done it, ruined it for the rest of us. I hold the opposite, fit and trim need to be properly displayed and the larger and obese need to stay in the confines of their own private walls. I am shallow and superficial in that regard, I'll admit to being guilty of that. This isn't Walrus beach !

I usually don't get into conversations about weight because I'm so sensitive about my extra baggage :rolleyes:, but I just can't help it - please forgive.

He's proven himself to be an asshole before. I just remembered I have to have to put him on my ignore list.

One thing that I always get is that men (and women) can be brutal to women for having 15-20 extra pounds or even be healthy and they get all sorts of shit for it. Men, on the other hand, are routinely accepted and forgiven extra weight as long as they aren't morbidly obese.

I've given up a lot of pleasures in my life because of my self-consciousness (yes I realize that it's mostly me), but guess what - I'm really tired of doing that! But it's comments and attitudes like this that just make people with weight (or any body image issue for that matter) feel like shit. I've heard it my whole life - from cruel kids to my mother to just being ignored. I'm not a very vocal person - I tend to internalize a lot of things, so I'm totally not the person to easily laugh and brush off the looks and comments.
You know, fuck 'em. Or don't fuck 'em as it were. Unfuck them, actually. But anyway, some people are naturally inclined to be heavier and gain weight more easily. It's up to you, not anyone else, to decide if losing weight will make you feel better about yourself. Many people are completely happy being bigger than average. I was for years. No one else should make you feel bad for your decisions. The best thing you can do for yourself is be comfortable is your own skin. It's hard. I'm still fighting to do that myself.

Anyway, I guess my point is that why should it be any different for people who are overweight. If we want to be naked, then dammit we should just do it! Now, if only I could muster up the courage to take my own advice :rolleyes:.
Way back in the day about a year ago, if I put up lingerie pics of myself in a size 16 on LPSG, I got all sorts of good comments from the men here. Now, I wouldn't dare put a photo up even though I'm a size 10. It's too bad that's changed since LPSG really helped me deal with my body issues in a healthy way.

Ah, the old days.

If a girl is a little chubby I don't mind as long as shes smooth. It grosses me out when a girl has random bumps of fat and places stick out that shouldn't. I hope I don't offend anyone with this.

Well, this confines you to both never being with a woman who with children and never being with someone older than 45 or so. Pregnancy and age do all sorts of fun stuff to bodies. Good luck with that.

Then I was also thinking on a more personal note...
that you want to have crazy monkey sex with me?

Actually I think some of it has to do with photography. In painting an artist can take some license and paint out cellulite and the like and emphasize the roundness, curves, and countours of a female body while downplaying the other stuff that comes with having all those lovely contours and surfaces. Artists are whores for interesting, rounded shapes because they have endless possibilities for playing with light and shadow.

Photography, on the other hand, has a tendency to accentuate imperfections-- something you'd never notice on someone in person becomes terribly apparent in a photo. I've seen women who are stunning in person look awful in photos because of what photography does. Lighting and lenses can be terribly unforgiving. In that manner, very young, very thin women look better in photos because they generally have smoother, younger skin, less cellulite, fewer stretch marks, fewer bits of fat that stick out in odd ways in various poses. Remember that Photoshop is relatively new and doing things like getting rid of cellulite and smoothing skin was much harder before then.

Also, at some point, fashion designers decided that 6' tall and 110 pounds was the standard for female models.

Regardless of all that, everyone should just admit they want to have crazy monkey sex with me. I already know.
 

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You just scored a point with me!!!

My pleasure TP :biggrin1:


It's true though really when you think about it. Just like there is a partner for everyone, some of whom make us think, "how can anyone fancy that??" there is also a body for everyone.

So some of the naked bodies we look at make us go "Yukkk?? :eek: "
but to someone else they're "Yummm!! :eek: "
 

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Regardless of all that, everyone should just admit they want to have crazy monkey sex with me. I already know.

Phew, back to the point at last. Fancy tag teaming me and the Boy?

How about TV - doesn't that medium make you look bigger? Maybe we should video the action to see. :smile:
 

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I only go naked with my husband, and it took 6 months of knowing him before that happened with the lights on! Us larger ladies are, generally, not as confident with our bodies as the slimmer girls because of the constant stereotyping of how women should look by the media and other men and women. It still suprises me when any man finds me attractive, it still suprises me that my 28yr old, slim, blue-eyed nearly ex (if he dosent buck his ideas up) husband can get a huge erection just by looking at me!!!!

so true i to get all high and mighty when i see my fine sexy wife in all of her curves and glory and beauty is in the eye of the beholder and im very glad to be holding my beauty every chance i get shes wonderful and the only woman who has ever afected me in this way like you say you afect your husband .
 

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All women look good naked. :wink:

It's true though really when you think about it. Just like there is a partner for everyone, some of whom make us think, "how can anyone fancy that??" there is also a body for everyone.

So some of the naked bodies we look at make us go "Yukkk?? :eek: "
but to someone else they're "Yummm!! :eek: "

i agree 100%. beauty comes in all shapes, sizes, and colors. there's no need to discriminate and say that one type looks better than the other. everyone has their preferences and they are entitled to that. like dan the man said, the things that make one person say "ewww" is other person saying "omg, so sexy!" it's what keeps the world balanced.
 

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I am not knocking my fellow Zaftig sisters.

Perhaps the reason larger women look better nude is; because many large women have no clue how to dress appropriately for their figure. I have had a few plus size friends over the years; and they either wear clothes which are too tight or too big. Rarely have I seen them in anything that actually fits their form.

Since gaining a few extra pounds I have noticed I have a tendency to wear big shirts or over-sized sweaters. Yet, I have had men tell me I look good at my current weight.


at last someone who thinks like me about this, it has a lot to do with the dress as you say and i agree here as well. also i have seen ugly boney women who was just sloppy looking but most of it had to do with the way they were dressed as well, i my self like a well built women and there is a big diffrence between being well blest and being huge, but i have seen smaller body type that look good as well so it is dress and what a person prefers others to be that matters ,
 

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All women look good naked. :wink:

oh how true this is in some cases. but i would have to also say here that some look better than others naked as well but all are beutiful in some way ,as im sure we can all agree to this.
 

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i agree 100%. beauty comes in all shapes, sizes, and colors. there's no need to discriminate and say that one type looks better than the other. everyone has their preferences and they are entitled to that. like dan the man said, the things that make one person say "ewww" is other person saying "omg, so sexy!" it's what keeps the world balanced.

yes very true, couldnt have said it better myself
 

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I usually don't get into conversations about weight because I'm so sensitive about my extra baggage :rolleyes:, but I just can't help it - please forgive.

So if you say that large and obese people should be displayed in the confines of private walls, what about bathing suits? Are you only saying that fat people shouldn't go to nude beaches or just beaches in general? Should they not go to gyms and wear shorts and tank tops?

I've given up a lot of pleasures in my life because of my self-consciousness (yes I realize that it's mostly me), but guess what - I'm really tired of doing that! But it's comments and attitudes like this that just make people with weight (or any body image issue for that matter) feel like shit. I've heard it my whole life - from cruel kids to my mother to just being ignored. I'm not a very vocal person - I tend to internalize a lot of things, so I'm totally not the person to easily laugh and brush off the looks and comments.

Anyway, I guess my point is that why should it be any different for people who are overweight. If we want to be naked, then dammit we should just do it! Now, if only I could muster up the courage to take my own advice :rolleyes:.

Thanks for letting me rant.

Sugar

Hey, there are people that don't want me around because of what I look like just the same. And you know what, they are perfectly within their rights to express their true sentiments, regardless of how it makes me feel about myself. When I'm not at what I feel is ideal weight and fitness, the same rules apply to me or anyone else, so I'm no harsher on others than I am of myself. Trust me, I live a few miles from a nude beach, I'm probably some where a few percentage points +/- of the middle of that pack on any given day for weight and fitness just the same, but I don't go looking for the section where the best of the bunch are to compare up against, I don't subject others nor myself to that. There's a place for everyone/everything I guess ?

I think you're post is going deeper into what one should really define for themselves. But let's face it, we'd both be kidding ourselves by thinking that there wouldn't be others that simply wouldn't want to have the experience thrust upon them in terms of public nudity. Each of us has to find a comfort zone, knowing society has these norms of acceptability and find that niche/venue.
 

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to all those who are grossed out and who arent all i have to say is who freakin cares. sorry but cum on do u really care. Im over wieght oh wait im FAT i dont have a problem sayin it w/e. but ill tell ya one thing i get hit on more know then i did when i was thinner. its not ALL about what u look like dont get me wrong looks do matter to a point but it also has to do with personality. If ur gunna let ppl make u feel like shit then u just need to get a damn backbone, and stand up for urself. Ppl that care about what other ppl think dont have a mind of there own but hey thats just my opinon.
 

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He's proven himself to be an asshole before. I just remembered I have to have to put him on my ignore list.

One thing that I always get is that men (and women) can be brutal to women for having 15-20 extra pounds or even be healthy and they get all sorts of shit for it. Men, on the other hand, are routinely accepted and forgiven extra weight as long as they aren't morbidly obese.

I disagree with that too, women are just as brutal for a guy being less than "their" ideal attractiveness and dimensions across the board in appearance (that includes the 15-20 lb overweight male). This ranges from teeth, hair, penis size, height, weight and distribution thereof. And again, it's within their right. I don't go out of my way to point it out to anyone, but if I see something that has altered my view of the perfect day, I have no problem packing up and finding greener pastures in terms of eye candy.

On having proven myself to be an asshole before, well, that's the beauty of the internet, we all can come here and give anonymously candid responses to what's being discussed. And just because it's not exactly what we may want to hear, it doesn't make me any more of an asshole than anyone else. Certainly anyone that is aware of reality has to know that at the very least the thoughts might be in another's mind at any given moment ? But back to candidly expressing ourselves, we both are free to express our opinions and well within our rights to do so. The thread indicated thin women look better clothed. I disagreed, I think they look better both clothed and naked. Furthermore, I think I have a greater majority of the world's viewpoint to back my viewpoint up. Which website do you think gets more hits, revisits, even retention of audience/target market ? The porn site with size 5 models or the "larger to significantly" ladies (since we are being pc about it) ? And which sites, hetero or gay, do you think gets more hits, revisits and retention of audience/target market regarding the attractiveness of the male of the species ? Oh come on, even gay men don't like what I've often overheard as "ugly" gay men. So how shallow is that ? I guess maybe they are just unproven to be assholes that haven't surfaced for air and told you how they really felt about it ?
 

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to all those who are grossed out and who arent all i have to say is who freakin cares. sorry but cum on do u really care. Im over wieght oh wait im FAT i dont have a problem sayin it w/e. but ill tell ya one thing i get hit on more know then i did when i was thinner. its not ALL about what u look like dont get me wrong looks do matter to a point but it also has to do with personality. If ur gunna let ppl make u feel like shit then u just need to get a damn backbone, and stand up for urself. Ppl that care about what other ppl think dont have a mind of there own but hey thats just my opinon.

You go girl ! And I don't think you'd have any problem if we both showed up at the same nude beach and think I was any more of an asshole for finding a more ideal spot or turned my chair in another direction where I felt the view was what I felt was more in line with the natural beauty of the seaside either ? I wouldn't hold it against you for doing the same. Hopefully we both can co-exist in harmony without terribly inconveniencing the other ?

It's really the same for even something as simple as taste in music. There are some that will turn their stereo up with little regard as to what others that are within earshot prefer in terms of music taste and volume of noise. But you know what, people will do that to you just the same and actually think they are enhancing your life while they're doing it to you !