Third debate between clinton and trump... reactions?... opinions?

[Jjz1109]

The betweenness of the established parties..No 3rd parties allowed

I would have said very few would care about a third party, until perhaps this election year.

 

[Boobalaa]

I would have said very few would care about a third party, until perhaps this election year.

Not true..3rd parties are very active in local politics during off-year elections as well as national elections

 

[Boobalaa]

The 15% rule..
Multiple lawsuits have been filed by third-party candidates challenging the CPD's policy of requiring a candidate to have 15% support in national polls to be included in presidential debates. While the lawsuits have challenged the requirement on a number of grounds, including claims that it violates (FEC) rules and that it violates anti-trust laws, none of the lawsuits has been successful.

During the 2000 election, Green Party candidate Ralph Nader filed a complaint with the FEC, on the basis that corporate contributions to the CPD violate the Federal Election Campaign Act. The FEC ruled that the CPD's funding sources did not violate the Federal Election Campaign Act and, in 2005, the D.C. Circuit Court declined to overrule the FEC.

In 2012, Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson filed an anti-trust lawsuit against the CPD, the Republican National Committee and the Democratic National Committee in D.C. Circuit Court citing the Sherman Act and claiming "restraint of trade" for denying competition to, for example, potentially receive the $400,000 annual presidential salary. The case was dismissed in 2014 due to lack of jurisdiction.

In September of 2015, the Libertarian and Green parties – along with Johnson and Jill Stein – filed another lawsuit against the CPD, the Democratic National Committee, the Republican National Committee, Barack Obama, and Mitt Romney, charging violation of federal anti-trust laws. The case was dismissed in August 2016.

On October 5, 2016 a federal court judge agreed to hear oral arguments in a separate lawsuit.
The suit challenges the CPD's nonprofit status on the grounds that it is funded by corporate money and favors the two major parties.The Internal Revenue Service allows 501(c)(3) organizations to engage in "voter education activities (including presenting public forums [...]) conducted in a non-partisan manner," provided the activities specifically do not "[favor] a candidate or group of candidates."

 

[TexanStar]

The 15% rule..
Multiple lawsuits have been filed by third-party candidates challenging the CPD's policy of requiring a candidate to have 15% support in national polls to be included in presidential debates. While the lawsuits have challenged the requirement on a number of grounds, including claims that it violates (FEC) rules and that it violates anti-trust laws, none of the lawsuits has been successful.

During the 2000 election, Green Party candidate Ralph Nader filed a complaint with the FEC, on the basis that corporate contributions to the CPD violate the Federal Election Campaign Act. The FEC ruled that the CPD's funding sources did not violate the Federal Election Campaign Act and, in 2005, the D.C. Circuit Court declined to overrule the FEC.

In 2012, Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson filed an anti-trust lawsuit against the CPD, the Republican National Committee and the Democratic National Committee in D.C. Circuit Court citing the Sherman Act and claiming "restraint of trade" for denying competition to, for example, potentially receive the $400,000 annual presidential salary. The case was dismissed in 2014 due to lack of jurisdiction.

In September of 2015, the Libertarian and Green parties – along with Johnson and Jill Stein – filed another lawsuit against the CPD, the Democratic National Committee, the Republican National Committee, Barack Obama, and Mitt Romney, charging violation of federal anti-trust laws. The case was dismissed in August 2016.

On October 5, 2016 a federal court judge agreed to hear oral arguments in a separate lawsuit.
The suit challenges the CPD's nonprofit status on the grounds that it is funded by corporate money and favors the two major parties.The Internal Revenue Service allows 501(c)(3) organizations to engage in "voter education activities (including presenting public forums [...]) conducted in a non-partisan manner," provided the activities specifically do not "[favor] a candidate or group of candidates."

Speaking for myself, but also a lot of voters, the debates have a limited amount of time to work with. It would not be helpful to the process, imo, to have the debates have half the questions that they currently do per debate in order to accommodate the time needed for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson's answers. That's not because they're 3rd party, but because their specific 3rd parties don't represent a viable platform that can be sold to the public.

With the internet what it is these days, it's very easy for a 3rd party candidate to get their message out to the public if they have a good message to work with. If there is anyone here who wants to argue that this year's green or libertarian parties have a worthwhile message to convey they're welcome to try, but apart from the fact that they're gonna fail (because their platforms are derp this year), it's something that could've been done months ago if there was actually something of substance to it.

The only 3rd party that had a worthwhile message this year was Bernie Sanders, and he opted to run as a Democrat because I think he knew that pulling votes from Democrats in a 3 way and handing things over to Republicans was a worse proposition than fighting upstream to come in as an insider and compete on the Democratic ticket even in face of party establishment opposition. He's a really good guy and I'm sad he didn't make it.

 

[ActionBuddy]

Bernie Sanders is an intelligent, common-sense politician. He could have run as a vanity third party candidate like vain Ralph Nader had done in the past, but smartly didn't want to give Trump a chance to fuck up the world worse than it already is.

Gary Johnson didn't even know the name of the now bombed-out, largest city and economic center of Syria, Aleppo... Why would anyone take him seriously as a diplomat? To me that's equivalent to not knowing what Cairo or Istanbul is. He probably thinks Moscow is a city in Idaho...

A/B

 

[Boobalaa]

Hmmmm

 

[Klingsor]

Gary Johnson didn't even know the name of the now bombed-out, largest city and economic center of Syria, Aleppo... Why would anyone take him seriously as a diplomat?

That, and he couldn't name one foreign leader he admires.
(Pssst, Gary, you don't even have to look that far: Justin Freakin' TRUDEAU!)

 

[ConanTheBarber]

He probably thinks Moscow is a city in Idaho...

A/B

I've met the type. One fella said Paris is a city in -- wait fer it -- Texass, AB ... yup, Texass. A Trumpite, I'd say.

 

[Novaboy]

Do you think that even Trump believes the things that come out of his mouth? How can he deny that he mocked a reported with a disability? It's all over the internet. Does he know how the political system in the USA works or does he really believe that Clinton is responsible for every bit of legislation passed or not passed in the country for the last 30 years? Everyone knows that the first lady of Arkansas is responsible for tax setting tax law and policy. Why has there not been more made over the fact that the Republicans have done nothing for eight years other than try to stop Obama every step of the way? I really fear for the divide in your country and what the future may bring.

Oh, and that comment about removing babies in pieces up to the last day of pregnancy was disgusting even for Trump.

 

[TexanStar]

Do you think that even Trump believes the things that come out of his mouth? How can he deny that he mocked a reported with a disability?

There's footage of him emphasizing a point by making similar stupid gestures in the past. There's a legitimate case to be made that it was just coincidence and he just gestures like an idiot sometimes.

Does he know how the political system in the USA works or does he really believe that Clinton is responsible for every bit of legislation passed or not passed in the country for the last 30 years?

I'm sure he knows, but I think the argument he'd make is that she's not introducing such legislation (in Hillary's defense, why waste taxpayer money introducing legislation that is destined with certainty for failure).

Why has there not been more made over the fact that the Republicans have done nothing for eight years other than try to stop Obama every step of the way?

Republican obstructionism, most especially and particularly over judicial appointments, should be getting a lot more noise in this election than it is right now. I don't know why they aren't bringing it up more.

I really fear for the divide in your country and what the future may bring.

As a liberal living here, I'm not really worried per se. It's more like I'm wondering how long it's going to take for the GOP to sufficiently implode to the point that they define a more realistic / competetive party platform.

They hold a lot of seats in congress, but that's driven by gerrymandering (drawing nonsensical district borders in order to compact democrats into a smaller number of districts that vote dem with 90/10 margins and then have a larger number of districts that go Republican by 60/40 margins)

Oh, and that comment about removing babies in pieces up to the last day of pregnancy was disgusting even for Trump.

Yeah, but it's the kind of rhetoric which won't play poorly with the voters he's trying to court anyways.

 

[TexanStar]

I hate linking Fox News, but on the disabled reporter thing I think they're the only ones who were treating that particular issue fairly.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ters-disability-videos-could-back-him-up.html

 

[Boobalaa]

Hmmmm

so You're in agreement with the current format also then?

 

[Boobalaa]

Do you think that even Trump believes the things that come out of his mouth? How can he deny that he mocked a reported with a disability? It's all over the internet. Does he know how the political system in the USA works or does he really believe that Clinton is responsible for every bit of legislation passed or not passed in the country for the last 30 years? Everyone knows that the first lady of Arkansas is responsible for tax setting tax law and policy. Why has there not been more made over the fact that the Republicans have done nothing for eight years other than try to stop Obama every step of the way? I really fear for the divide in your country and what the future may bring.

Oh, and that comment about removing babies in pieces up to the last day of pregnancy was disgusting even for Trump.

Oh..and since you're fearing things, fear what influences the United States will attempt to spew over into Canada

 

[ActionBuddy]

I've met the type. One fella said Paris is a city in -- wait fer it -- Texass, AB ... yup, Texass. A Trumpite, I'd say.

Well, it was an interesting Wim Wenders film: "Paris, Texas"

 

[ConanTheBarber]

Well, it was an interesting Wim Wenders film: "Paris, Texas"

Dang, you got oll the moves, AB.

 

[Boobalaa]

Gary Johnson didn't even know the name of the now bombed-out, largest city and economic center of Syria, Aleppo... Why would anyone take him seriously as a diplomat? To me that's equivalent to not knowing what Cairo or Istanbul is. He probably thinks Moscow is a city in Idaho...

 

[ozwestcoastboy]

 

[ActionBuddy]

Dang, you got all the moves, AB.

Ah, oh... Did you find my semi-nude, break-dancing videos on YouTube?

 

[ActionBuddy]

I didn't learn anything new from the third debate, but, I think Trump came off as a "Loser" with his preparations to not accept the results of a election that hasn't even happened yet, pre-judging it to be "rigged"... And, you would think that a guy who is constantly made fun of for having "small hands", he would stop waving his around all the time. In his favor, I noticed that he didn't loudly sniff so much each time he spoke.

Let's hear from Stephen Colbert:

A/B

 

[b.c.]

I've met the type. One fella said Paris is a city in -- wait fer it -- Texass, AB ... yup, Texass. A Trumpite, I'd say.

Well actually there is a Paris, Texas. I know because Mary Padian said so.