This forum is a right wing romper room.

[JustAsking]

...However, the term "crouton" is a new one to me, and have to give the OP points for creativity.

Croutons are the elemental atomic particles of salad.

 

[Bbucko]

Keep in mind which party: 1.) fought to abolish slavery, 2.) was the first party to support women's suffrage 3.) Elected the first woman to Congress.

Since you like to bring up history like the Jim Crow laws, why not go a bit further back - to the efforts Republicans did to free those in bondage?

Also, do you think we should blame German Kindergarten Children for the Holocaust? If not, don't try to blame me (or the "majority of white Americans) for slavery, Jim Crow laws, lynchings, bus seat assignments or separate water fountains. But, I suppose this type of "guilt by race," is okay, by your standards, even though many of us were not even born then.

What about this "war on caucasians" that you bring up? Have you ever seen the Jeremiah Wright sermons? I haven't seen such racism and hate since "Birth of a Nation."

Yes, there are racist lunatics on both sides of the aisle, in both colors, but don't try to paint me as some sort of segregationist when we have a President who sat through 20 years in Rev. Wright's church, allowed Rev. Wright to baptize his children, and defended him (until it became politically incorrect to do so). That, by far, should smack of more "racism by association" than simply being white.

You seem never to have heard of the southern strategy, Skippy.

In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to a purported Republican method of winning Southern states in the latter decades of the 20th century and first decade of the 21st century by exploiting opposition among the segregationist South to desegregation and Civil Rights, and the cultural upheaval of New Left, Vietnam protests, and the Hippie culture. Some analysts[citation needed] think widespread demographic shifts and the election of Barack Obama as president in 2008 are signs that the Southern strategy is declining in significance.

Although the phrase "Southern strategy" is often attributed to Richard Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it,[1] but merely popularized it.[2] In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, he touched on its essence:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.[3]

Birth of A Nation was produced in 1915. Surely even you will agree that there have been instances of bald-faced racism in American politics between 1915 and the 2008 election. When I was in high school, they finally desegregated Boston's public schools and white parents stoned buses of minority kids going to South Boston.

When school began in September 1974, most schools quietly complied with the new plan. But in South Boston, buses carrying black children were greeted by angry, violent mobs that threw rocks through the windows. Nine young black students were injured. Roxbury community center leader Ellen Jackson remembers, "The kids were crying. They had glass in their hair. They were scared... they wanted to go home.

Black parents organized escorts to see their children to school safely. The following year, the busing plan was revised. But the violence against Boston's black community continued, particularly in Charlestown and South Boston. Many white families boycotted the schools.

You may not be familiar with Bostonian politics, Skippy, but I am. The same folks who threw stones at buses in the 1970s were the ones who insisted that they should exclude Irish gays and lesbians from participating in "their" St Patrick's Day Parade in the 1990s. They are incredibly conservative.

All I know about Rev Wright is what I saw on TV (same as you, I'll bet). I don't agree with what I saw, but then I disagree with most any shade of Christianity I've ever encountered. I think it's all a load of crap.

 

[StormfrontFL]

Yes, it was a Republican president who called for an end to slavery but the Republican party of the 1800s is no more. Did you ever wonder why the southern states have tended to go Republican since the 60s? It was due to the passage of the Civil Rights Act. There was much anger that the Democrats took away the last vestiges of the grandeur of the old South.

Funny how the sermons of one man can rile so many up. I grew up in a southern Baptist church and I learned early on to ignore a lot of what I heard and to think for myself. One minister is not the same as members of Congress. Don't fool yourself that racism isn't a factor when politicians bemoan social programs and refer to the current environment as having "their" country stolen from them. There is a term that some conservatives on this board need to learn.The term is institutionalized racism. Racists have learned to be more subtle. They don't need to yell "nigger" anymore. They use code words and phrases.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

You may not be familiar with Bostonian politics, Skippy, but I am. The same folks who threw stones at buses in the 1970s were the ones who insisted that they should exclude Irish gays and lesbians from participating in "their" St Patrick's Day Parade in the 1990s. They are incredibly conservative.

Good point, and I am not trying to be a "racism denier," but I disagree with a the stereotype of most whites being racists/segregationists because of the "crimes of the ancestors." While those instances happened in Boston, and I am sure in other places, one cannot philosophically justify conviction of "the majority of whites as 'rockthrowers,' no more than we can convict the "majority of blacks" as being racist, just because some subset of that population attends Rev. Wright's church.

Any statement that starts with "the majority of [insert race here] do [insert despicable act here]" is, by its phraseology, a stereotype.

 

[mitchymo]

I disagree with the OP in the respect that on a forum where the majority are from the US then the politics thread is going to (naturally) be dominated by those who are in opposition to the government.

It is so much more common to have complaints about things than to have praise.

Democrats in power = right wing backlash,
Republicans in power = left wing backlash.

On a seperate point, even with GREAT cause to do so, i have nobody on my ignore list as some stated they have. I find the irony wonderfully laughable that the very people who claim others are ignorant are the ones most likely to execute the ignore button.
Democracy involves working together despite differences and not trying to brush people under the carpet which is the preserve of oppressive regimes.

 

[mitchymo]

Croutons are the elemental atomic particles of salad.

:biggrin1: I need to hear the explanation for lettuce, tomato and cucumber now please! :tongue:

 

[StormfrontFL]

If you check my posts you would find that I state "some" instead of "all". I agree that it is wrong to lump everyone into one group because of the actions of a few. But on this board there is a lot of denial that racism is a big part of the animosity towards President Obama. It's not an accusation that some of the posters on the board are racist just that they cannot, or will not, see what is crystal clear.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

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Funny how the sermons of one man can rile so many up. I grew up in a southern Baptist church and I learned early on to ignore a lot of what I heard and to think for myself. One minister is not the same as members of Congress.

True, but our sitting PRESIDENT seemed comfortable taking his place in that pew for over 20 years, and chose Wright to baptize his children. And, realistically, not all Baptist churches have pastor's like Rev. Wright, do they?

Barack is not a stupid man, at some point I would have thought he might say to himself 1.) "this guy is pretty extreme, maybe I don't want my kids to hear this drivel" or 2.) "I am becoming a politician, and maybe it is not in my political best interest to be associated with this extremist type of pastor, even if I do agree with what he was saying."

But, in either case, he sat there for many years, apparently not bothered by what was being preached to his children.

Think about it: If you had a relative or good friend who spent their days ranting about "evil jews," (or whoever) maybe you could put up with it, because of a long or special friendship (or whatever), but would you take your kids to his/her house every week? If you do, why?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

one cannot philosophically justify conviction of "the majority of whites as 'rockthrowers,' no more than we can convict the "majority of blacks" as being racist, just because some subset of that population attends Rev. Wright's church.

This is coming from the same person who not only stated in several threads that Republicans are the party that "fought slavery" and made the first moves for a woman's right to vote, but also stated in a previous thread:

"I was never in the Klan, and I disagree with Obama. Robert Byrd was in the Klan and agrees with Obama. So who is the racist?"

So, I guess in your world it's not OK to judge a majority of people by skin color because of the actions of a few, but find it perfectly OK to belittle a political party on the same criteria? Kinda ironic that the party you demonize also have the "majority of blacks" supporting it. Coincidence?

 

[bigbull29]

Now that we've had a couple years where the word "cracker" has been flung around (and now "crouton"?), with no real threat behind it --- oh, well, the conservatives are OUTRAGED!

Sorry, it's wrong to call whites "crackers." There's nothing funny or cute about it: its intent is to denigrate the white race.

I was approached by a group of black boys at a local mall on a quit Tuesday the other year. As they passed me, they called me a "cracker" and a "white honey." I was scared and started to walk quickly away from them. That's racism!

Mr. Willtom, if a group of black men approached you and called you a "cracker", you wouldn't think that word was so "harmless."

 

[Ericsson1228d]

This is coming from the same person who not only stated in several threads that Republicans are the party that "fought slavery" and made the first moves for a woman's right to vote, but also stated in a previous thread:

Yep, and Republicans were the party. I didn't say "all Republicans" did it, especially those who were not alive back then.

And with reference to your quoting of my post with Robert Byrd and the Klan, and you saying that I am grouping "all Klan members as racists ?" Is that an improper stereotype? I didn't think that was a stretch. However, if the discussion has you asserting that not all Klan members are racist, your opposition to stereotyping knows no bounds. I suppose a lot of them just like those cool pointy hats.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Yep, and Republicans were the party. I didn't say "all Republicans" did it, especially those who were not alive back then.

And with reference to your quoting of my post with Robert Byrd and the Klan, and you saying that I am grouping "all Klan members as racists ?" Is that an improper stereotype? I didn't think that was a stretch. However, if the discussion has you asserting that not all Klan members are racist, your opposition to stereotyping knows no bounds. I suppose a lot of them just like those cool pointy hats.

Comprehension fail.
I'm analyzing YOUR comments right now. This is about your words and your beliefs. Nobody else's. Besides, the only reason why you even made that comment about Robert Byrd & Obama is to continually trumpet your rhetoric about how you believe Republicans have done more for the push of racial acceptance & equality in America than the Democrats. Aligns perfectly with your Republicans "freed the slaves" rhetoric. Any other attempts at twisting that comment into something else is completely mendacious.

So answer the question if you can... if you believe it's not OK to judge a majority of people by skin color because of the actions of a few, why is it then OK to belittle a political party on the same criteria?

 

[StormfrontFL]

I was approached by a group of black boys at a local mall on a quit Tuesday the other year. As they passed me, they called me a "cracker" and a "white honey." I was scared and started to walk quickly away from them. That's racism!

Mr. Willtom, if a group of black men approached you and called you a "cracker", you wouldn't think that word was so "harmless."[/QUOTE]

Was the group that approached you made up of males under 14 years of age? I ask because black males in their 40s, 50s, and even 60s have been called "boy". As for your situation, it's a bit frightening to be taunted by a group regardless of their race. Yes, what they did was wrong. You unfortunately had to experience what many blacks have had to experience in our lives. I had a group surround me, write on my face with a marker, and shove me to the ground. This happened in school. The teacher, after being told, simply brushed it off as "kids being kids". Words can't hurt, fists and rocks do.

 

[mitchymo]

Sorry, it's wrong to call whites "crackers." There's nothing funny or cute about it: its intent is to denigrate the white race.

I was approached by a group of black boys at a local mall on a quit Tuesday the other year. As they passed me, they called me a "cracker" and a "white honey." I was scared and started to walk quickly away from them. That's racism!

Mr. Willtom, if a group of black men approached you and called you a "cracker", you wouldn't think that word was so "harmless."

I think that racism perpertrated by non-whites is a very rare thing in comparison to the reverse and i think it would'nt have scared me as much as highlighted my opinion of how dumb some people are.

One of the dumbest things i have ever heard, i believe it was from snoop doggy dog, that only white men can be racist!

 

[Ericsson1228d]

Comprehension fail.

Okay, let's deal with comprehension failure, or what is more likely taking things out of context.

The line: "I was never in the Klan, and I disagree with Obama. Robert Byrd was in the Klan and agrees with Obama. So who is the racist?"

This was in response to a post about "disagreeing with Obama" being equated with "racism." My point was meant to point out the irony of how someone who disagrees with someone on a political topic is a "racist" if the person with the contrary view is black, but someone who once belonged to the Klan is a "stand-up member of Congress" who the President (and others) seems to be just fine with. My point was that blatant acts of racism are thrown by the wayside by some members of the left if the person who did the act "supports Obama" (i.e Byrd, Wright) but simpy opposing Obama's view is equated by many on the left (including Jimmy Carter) to be racism.

The point was how blatant acts of racism (Klan membership, Rev. Wright's sermons) are "forgiven" when the transgressor is a "liberal," but when the "conservatives" are "on trial," the Jim Crow Laws, Lynchings, slavery etc are used as evidence to convict "right wingers" of racism, even if we weren't even born yet.

 

[D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse]

I wonder which one of these conservative posters is really starinvestor?


I'd like to remind you all: Remember when David Letterman made a tacky joke about Alex Rodriguez, from the Dominican Republic, "knocking up" (Letterman's phrase) Bristol Palin?


Starinvestor started a LPSG thread entitled, "Letterman joke about black man raping minor has him on the hot seat"


(1) There was no "black man"

(2) There was no reference to "rape" ("knocked up" was the phrase used)

(3) There was no "minor" (Bristol is 18-years-old)


And now butter wouldn't melt in starinvestor's mouth! He is completely pure of racist thoughts!

 

[StormfrontFL]

True, but our sitting PRESIDENT seemed comfortable taking his place in that pew for over 20 years, and chose Wright to baptize his children. And, realistically, not all Baptist churches have pastor's like Rev. Wright, do they?

Barack is not a stupid man, at some point I would have thought he might say to himself 1.) "this guy is pretty extreme, maybe I don't want my kids to hear this drivel" or 2.) "I am becoming a politician, and maybe it is not in my political best interest to be associated with this extremist type of pastor, even if I do agree with what he was saying."

But, in either case, he sat there for many years, apparently not bothered by what was being preached to his children.

Think about it: If you had a relative or good friend who spent their days ranting about "evil jews," (or whoever) maybe you could put up with it, because of a long or special friendship (or whatever), but would you take your kids to his/her house every week? If you do, why?

It could be about something as simple as taking the good with the bad. How do you know that after services Barack and Michelle didn't have discussions with their daughters about the things they heard? What of the number of politicians that sit in churches each week listening to similar remarks? Are you condemning these politicians for not leaving their churches because of homophobic sermons? What about the pastors who still preach about the "evil" Jews? I look at sermons as a tool to motivate me to look deeper into issues. I have ever since I was 7 and my Sunday school teacher told me that when I grew up I shouldn't bring a white girl home to meet my family. I knew that her way of thinking was wrong, but my mother used what was said as an opening to talk to me about the importance of choosing my friends based on their qualities and not their skin color. BTW I never brought a white girl home, a white guy(okay make that a few), but never a girl.

 

[bigbull29]

Was the group that approached you made up of males under 14 years of age? I ask because black males in their 40s, 50s, and even 60s have been called "boy". As for your situation, it's a bit frightening to be taunted by a group regardless of their race. Yes, what they did was wrong. You unfortunately had to experience what many blacks have had to experience in our lives. I had a group surround me, write on my face with a marker, and shove me to the ground. This happened in school. The teacher, after being told, simply brushed it off as "kids being kids". Words can't hurt, fists and rocks do.

18-21 old year-olds

I think that racism perpertrated by non-whites is a very rare thing in comparison to the reverse and i think it would'nt have scared me as much as highlighted my opinion of how dumb some people are.

One of the dumbest things i have ever heard, i believe it was from snoop doggy dog, that only white men can be racist!

You didn't experience my situation. It was frightening. They were out-of-control young men, looking for trouble. It was racism, plain and simple.

No, reverse discrimination is not rare. There are members of all races and ethnicities who hate.

This world is going to hell in a hand basket. Everyone is full of hate.

Americans can't think discuss racism civilly. It's nothing but a screaming-match, where people do nothing but hurl the label "racist" at each other. They don't even know what they're saying or doing. It's very knee-jerk and absurd. And I'm indeed ashamed of the way we approach the issue.

Discussing racism here in the public forum is like discussing the topic of children being naked around their parents: you got to overseas to do it properly! The awkwardness that comes with talking about either subject is something I surely don't miss when I go to a foreign land.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

It could be about something as simple as taking the good with the bad. How do you know that after services Barack and Michelle didn't have discussions with their daughters about the things they heard?

I can't say that didn't happen. Barack didn't mention that in any of his books, or on any of his numerous TV appearances, or even when he was asked about his associations with Rev. Wright. So, my GUESS is that it didn't happen. But I don't know for sure.

What of the number of politicians that sit in churches each week listening to similar remarks? Are you condemning these politicians for not leaving their churches because of homophobic sermons?

Well, their public face reflects their homophobia and many make public stances against homosexuals. Most of them don't hide the fact that they don't like gays. At least we know where they stand and they are public about it (for the most part).

I have ever since I was 7 and my Sunday school teacher told me that when I grew up I shouldn't bring a white girl home to meet my family. I knew that her way of thinking was wrong, but my mother used what was said as an opening to talk to me about the importance of choosing my friends based on their qualities and not their skin color. BTW I never brought a white girl home, a white guy(okay make that a few), but never a girl.

Okay, but would you take your children to hear those same sermons, by the same teacher, today? I am guessing you probably would not, but again, just a guess.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

I wonder which one of these conservative posters is really starinvestor?


I'd like to remind you all: Remember when David Letterman made a tacky joke about Alex Rodriguez, from the Dominican Republic, "knocking up" (Letterman's phrase) Bristol Palin?


Starinvestor started a LPSG thread entitled, "Letterman joke about black man raping minor has him on the hot seat"


(1) There was no "black man"

(2) There was no reference to "rape" ("knocked up" was the phrase used)

(3) There was no "minor" (Bristol is 18-years-old)


And now butter wouldn't melt in starinvestor's mouth! He is completely pure of racist thoughts!

I fail to see what this non-poster's (starinvestor) previous comments has to do with the thread.