This is going t be FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Wyldgusechaz, Nov 21, 2008.

  1. Wyldgusechaz

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    Tax revenues are falling like stones. Taxes which fall disproportionately on the wealthy, are going to tank so bad it won't be funny because there are less wealthy people. On top of that, investors can use their capital losses to offset any capital gains and I believe they can carry them forward.

    On top of that, a Democrat, John Dingell, Michigan, who supported the rank and file auto worker tooth and claw just got removed from the Congressional Chair he had headed for 28 years, and was replaced by Henry Waxman, BEVERLY HILLS so that anti carbon legislation can be rammed down the throats of a auto industry that is near death today.

    What a comedy. Barack Obama has already lost control of his own party and is now nothing but a figurehead in blackface.
     
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    The government won't be collecting any capital gains taxes for years down the road. Changing that tax rate is futile at this point. May as well make it zero. BTW, you can carry capital losses forward until the end of time.

    Much to my astonishment, Barry's got Tim Geithner lined up as Treasury Secretary..he's going through the vetting process right now. So his entire economic team should be rolled out by early next week. They need to get this going ASAP and hit the track running.

    Autos are just dead. The auto bailout would have the same affect as throwing water on the face of a corpse.
     
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    All they can do is print money. Inject massive inflation and create a new bubble. Everything else runs dead against their tax and spend mantra. Make our dollar worthless so all these losses end up being worthless.

    The Democrats have turned us into a Latin America banana republic.
     
  4. Phil Ayesho

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    My, how racist vitriol cloaks itself in spurious and uninformed political inanity.

    He's not even PRESIDENT yet...
    Its not HIS party... yet.
    He can not exert ANY control until he has the power of veto.

    BTW- ALL auto companies, world wide, are teetering on the brink right now...
    And all other nations are offering their auto industries assistance that is tied to improved efficiency or greener technology.

    The stupid fucks who run the big three and take, collectively, more than the entire cost of UAW healthcare in bonuses, stock options and pensions are the real reason the US auto industry is failing.

    The greed of the corporate elite is the fundamental cause of this entire economic meltdown.

    Republicans took the brakes off of rampant profiteering and insider graft... and viola... we have the most overpaid and underperforming group of CEOS, CFOs and Board members in the world.

    Greenspan himself admitted that free market theory has a flaw... in that it failed to account for individual greed among the people with the most wealth and power.

    Duh.


    Really... Rubepublicans.... give the hate mongering a break... wait for Obama to have the chance to make at least ONE fucking decision as presdient before you start trying to undermine his effrots....

    Oh... and this undermining the efforts of the guy charged with trying to fix the mess YOUR guys created....

    That is the definition of treason.


    The Dems stood with your guy back before we knew he was lying to us about WMD's and Al Queda....

    The least you can to is to pretend to stand with the new guy until you have evidence he is lying, stealing, or making a bigger mess of things.
     
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    You can put it all on the Democrats both parties have a hand in this mess.
     
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    Yanking a loyal rank and file Democrat who has been a congressman since 1955 says *fuck you, Barack, WE will hold the power.
     
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    It's amazing how one sentence can ruin what would otherwise be a somewhat thought out post.

    Bush didn't develop the intel pics in his secret darkroom and pass them around.

    Clinton knew he had WMDs.

    CNN - Clinton: Iraq has abused its last chance - December 16, 1998

    Things like the Intel Oversight and such do in fact oversee intel that's gathered and decisions are made from there. Democrats didn't blindly follow Bush because Bush said so, they had access to all the same information and made a decision based on said information.

    Was going to Iraq a mistake, yes I believe so but for other reasons, for me it was timing not if we shouldn't go or not.

    So if you're going to accuse Bush and his cronies for lying, you need to also point the finger at 98% of Congress, because they told the same lie.
     
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    My, how racist vitriol cloaks itself in spurious and uninformed political inanity.

    He's not even PRESIDENT yet...
    Its not HIS party... yet.
    He can not exert ANY control until he has the power of veto.

    BTW- ALL auto companies, world wide, are teetering on the brink right now...
    And all other nations are offering their auto industries assistance that is tied to improved efficiency or greener technology.

    The stupid fucks who run the big three and take, collectively, more than the entire cost of UAW healthcare in bonuses, stock options and pensions are the real reason the US auto industry is failing.

    The greed of the corporate elite is the fundamental cause of this entire economic meltdown.

    Republicans took the brakes off of rampant profiteering and insider graft... and viola... we have the most overpaid and underperforming group of CEOS, CFOs and Board members in the world.

    Greenspan himself admitted that free market theory has a flaw... in that it failed to account for individual greed among the people with the most wealth and power.

    Duh.


    Really... Rubepublicans.... give the hate mongering a break... wait for Obama to have the chance to make at least ONE fucking decision as presdient before you start trying to undermine his effrots....

    Oh... and this undermining the efforts of the guy charged with trying to fix the mess YOUR guys created....

    That is the definition of treason.


    The Dems stood with your guy back before we knew he was lying to us about WMD's and Al Queda....

    The least you can to is to pretend to stand with the new guy until you have evidence he is lying, stealing, or making a bigger mess of things.




    Oh, and by the way.... there is no such things as "taxes which fall disproportionately on the wealthy" ( awwww... the poor poor rich... how will they get by? )

    The fact is that, especially after the past 10 years of republican dominance and idiotic trickle down theory, the rich are taxed disproportionately LOW compared to their incomes.

    They per capita have vastly MORE of the nation's wealth than the middle class, yet the vast majority of tax revenue comes from the middle class.

    Bush has lowered taxes almost exclusivly on the wealthy... and NONE of that money has trickled down to new jobs or industries... it has , rather, been OFFSHORED along with most of the lost jobs.


    This is the kind of mess you get when you LOWER taxes and Start a war.
    You get an underfunded govenrment that can not even provide essential services and that must accrue debt just to keep operating.

    Fiscal conservatives my ass.


    Oh... and BTWW... The taxes paid by the wealthy are not gonna drop...

    Government revenue is down because HOUSES are being foreclosed on....And because People are not buying things...
    Property and sales taxes form the bulk of local government revenue.
    And the federal revenue will drop because corporate profits are down and unemployment is up.
    Workers laid off not only no longer contribute taxes... they create a COST in unemploment benefits.

    These are gonna be the biggest effects on government revenue... not anything having to do with the rich.

    ...services will be cut, state employees laid off... and that will further erode the economy.
    ITs a snowball effect.

    Bush SHOULD have RAISED taxes...to pay for his war... His father tried to tell the American people that it was gonna be necessary... but got canned for it.

    At this point... we are really stuck... the government NEEDs more tax revenue... but raising taxes when folks are getting laid off is only gonna cause more layoffs and foreclosures...



    My answer?
    Telll the rich its time to step forward and fork up for the good of the nation and the consumers that made them rich.

    Bill gates can afford to gift his nation with 10 billion... and STILL be the richest guy.
    Oprah can afford to gift the nation with 2 billion...

    Lurch the commerce secretary took half a billion when he jumped out of his firm...
    He can afford to gift the nation with 200 million and still be rich...



    Let's see the patriotism of the wealthy on display....
    Let's see them take just a portion of the sacrifice the rest of us will have to shoulder...
     
  9. dreamer20

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    I'd have to give the manipulative borrow and spend Bush Administration the credit for that feat as it has doubled the national debt, given G.W. Bush *dictatorial powers and allowed the troubled mortgage industry to meltdown.

    *No restraints on declaring and waging war against other nations. No restraints on the power to secretly record telephone conversations of the American people. No restraints on the power to kidnap and send people into overseas concentration camps for the purpose of torture and even execution. No restraints on the power to take Americans into custody as "enemy combatants" and punish them even torture and execute them without due process of law and jury trials.
     
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    ""What a comedy. Barack Obama has already lost control of his own party and is now nothing but a figurehead in blackface.""

    He is not even fucking president yet!! Fucking Amazing!

    "blackface" atleast you arent hiding behind sheets anymore and we are able to see your faces now.
     
  11. Wyldgusechaz

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    As people lose their retirements and jobs, they don't give two shits about wire taps and Gitmo.

    Barney Frank said *lets roll the dice with mortgages* and they did.

    Bubble Meter: WSJ: The hearings congressmen want to forget

    Now with mortgages being the poison infecting the economy, it is fair to say that President Bush should have been more diligent is reining the excesses of the Democrats but he did not.
     
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    As Mr. Obama is now the head of the Democratic Party, he must have the moral compass to say *What a sec, John Dingell has been a loyal Democrat since 1955, he keeps his 28 year chairmanship,* but no, the Democrats have a scorched earth campaign and destroy those in their own party who don't toe a Marxist line. Sorry, Obama is now a limp dick figurehead until he stands up for what is right, which so far he has not.
     
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    You absolutely positively don't know a thing about what you are talking about. I bet you are flat fucking broke with no wealth or no money to speak of. In my book thats a loser or stiff.
     
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