This is worse than the nationstates forum

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  1. B_Gravedancer

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    It would be OK if this community was just generally socialist, but when it becomes hyperdefensive around other views, and just outright flames them, it becomes a problem.

    Why is this?
     
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    If you don't like it leave.


    However, from what I've seen, you're just trolling. Also I'm pretty sure you have no idea what a socialist is, and are just using it because it fires people up.
     
  3. Industrialsize

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    Define what you mean by hyper-defensive and "Flame" please.

    and what does this lovely post of yours mean to infer?:
    "Not everyone's high's and lows in life revolve around cocks. At least not straight people."
     
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  4. B_Gravedancer

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    People become very defensive when an opinion contrary to theirs is posted.

    People attack users if they say something they do not agree with.
     
  5. Industrialsize

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    and the answer to the second part of my question?
     
  6. B_Gravedancer

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    Wrong part
     
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    In case you've missed it, people in America are becoming increasingly fed up and extremely frustrated with everything. This adds to the slamming of other's views because everyone thinks they are right, want the problem solved, but think their way is better than everyone elses. Frustration adds to the turmoil among different viewpoints. Not to mention there are a lot of people here who have no idea what they are talking about but still feel they should give their opinion, even though they can't back it up. And like sinwin said, if you don't like it, leave
     
  9. B_Gravedancer

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    marley used something like penis based psychoanalysis on mesomeone over the internet, and I threw it pack in his face.
     
  10. Drifterwood

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    These things are relative, and despite what some would like, this site is part of the WWW, that is Worldwide. For most of us who are not from the US it is irritating that so many from the US behave as if this is purely a US site.

    The point being that what you tellingly call socialist is to most others a simple centrist position. I would say that you have become so imbued with ultra right wing thinking, that even centrist views become labelled as socialist. I would probably be considered a "wet Tory (conservative)" in the UK.
     
  11. B_Gravedancer

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    To stalin, you would be a right winger. It's pretty relative, yes, but it being relative is irrelvant to flaming being OK or not.

    Learn to deal with people having other views, not everyone with contradictory views are stupid.
     
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    Thanks for the advice. I'll reciprocate if I may.

    Strongly disagreeing with someone is not flaming. Flaming is caused by the manner in which the protagonist makes their original point. If someone flames you when you have simply and uncritically made your point, then the issue is theirs not yours. However, I would say that the reverse has been the case with you.

    I'm not being holier than thou, I have done and still do the same on occasion.
     
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    The situation you mentioned with the issue being theirs is every situation i've been in. My threads are bogged down with people simply saying how dumb I am, and I can't get in a word edgewise without 10 more people spamming how I am stupid and my opinion is wrong and dumb.This is where the massive slant of the forum becomes an issue.
     
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    I don't know what the nationstates forum is, but in this thread your opening premise is aggressive. The same has been true in some of your other threads. I don't know whether you are a frustrated headline write, but the hyperbole doesn't always help.

    At its best, this site is wholly tolerant of all perspectives and lifestyles brought together by the bizarrely unifying theme of cock. It therefore tends to be liberal, rather than illiberal. What you are experiencing here is a reaction to your own illiberality. You just need to let a nice guy blow you, but remember to say thank you.
     
  15. B_Gravedancer

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    Disguised flaming is still flaming
     
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    You seem to be under the impression that if you don't like the answer it is a flame and that if a person continues to argue his point in a thread it is a flame. You are wrong on both counts.

    Learn to take criticism.
     
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    not anywhere as cerebral or informed as other forums I go to, but definitely livelier, with more of the poster's personalty coming through
     
  18. Phil Ayesho

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    Being out-argued and having idiotic, unsupported claims shown to be false is NOT being flamed.

    Sorry... 10 years ago you might have been able to effectively argue for the idiocy of free market de-regulation...

    But since then, events have rather pointedly yanked the rug out from under the Extremism that conservative thinking has become.

    The rampant, irresponsible spending , the cronyism and total disregard for law have entirely undercut ANY cosnervative claims to "family values" and Moral high ground.

    And the utter failures in both foreign policy and the economy have shown Unrestrained Free Market capitalism to be as idiotic and unworkable an idea as communism.

    So- sorry -- it you feel singled out, its only your own reticence to accept the evidence of events.


    What we need- what has ALWAYS worked best, is a market AS FREE as you and I are.

    That is- free to act within recognizabgle and well defined bounds, insofar as we OBEY the law and no not harm others nor infringe on THEIR rights.


    What we need is the kind of government we had when the West saw the greatest period of economic stability and growth...
    A government that offers social supports for those necessary services that are immoral to profit on... AND a government that re-distributes tax wealth, to both worker and business alike, in the manner that will FOSTER greater growth and greater opportunity for ALL Americans.


    I am not trying to say that Liberals are MORE trustworthy than republicans- just that liberals HAPPEN to be backing an agenda that is more suspicious of the good intentions of the powerful.

    We are ALL subject to the forces of avarice....the opportunity to cheat.

    Idealized capitalism ignores that peril that lurks in our very natures.
    The man sticking up the convenience store with a pistol is NOT making a political statement, he is simply trying to grab the money he wants for himself.

    The idea that CEOs are any LESS likely to grab what they can is naive.

    If $200, there for the taking, can induce one man to commit a crime- how much more an inducement to crime is $200 million.


    Water and power, education and defense, Health and pensions... These basic necessities MUST be provided thru the government at the lowest possible cost- BECAUSE they are necessities.


    Everything else should be privatized... but with strict regulation and oversight.

    And Corporations MUST serve the needs of the community thru providing employment for that community.
    Otherwise there is no reason at all to even allow them.


    Time for a humane civil society.
     
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  19. Phil Ayesho

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    The thing about capitalism versus socialism....

    IT IS NOT AN EITHER OR DILEMA...


    Government IS socialism- its why we call this a society.

    Social systems, like government, are SUPPOSED to act in the interests of the entire population. THey are SUPPOSED to check the avarice and aggression of the powerful and unprincipled.


    Socialism is the human compassion in a society...

    And, at its best, as in the G.I. Bill, infrastructure, work, research and education programs, it FUELS capitalism with a better educated workforce, and greater entrepreneurship and opportunity for a wider range of citizenry.

    One NEEDS the other, because either one, on its own, simply doesn't work.

    Capitalism tends to focus money into very few hands- socialism tends to spread it back out.

    The society that works the best is the society that BALANCES those two trends- to CREATE a circulation, between the power of individual self interest, and the ties of the larger civilization.
     
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    Interesting assertion, Phil. This is why Globalisation helps almost noone. The profits of the corporation do not really come back into any society. A few take rich pickings on all sides, but then the core profit is untouchable offshore.

    I take it then that you do not consider the US to be the greatest civilisation in history?

    And then there is the apparent anomaly of individuals with no limits on their power being lauded by history, Caesar, Alexander, Ghenghis Khan, the Pharoahs etc. Perhaps noone has got the balance right yet between authority and personal freedom.

    Discuss :biggrin1:
     
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