This morning's furore

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    Doctors consider circumcision for girls

    May 28, 2010 - 5:59AM
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    Australian doctors are considering introducing a controversial form of genital mutilation carried out on baby girls.
    The Royal Australian New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RANZCOG) says the practice of "ritual nicks" could meet the cultural needs of some women and potentially save some people from drastic surgery.
    The practice is said to be common among some African, Asian and Middle Eastern communities but has been known to leave some young girls scarred for life when not carried out in proper clinical facilities.

    RANZCOG said the issue would be discussed at a women's health meeting in June, Sydney's Daily Telegraph reports.

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    Ritual nicks? Bad idea! Why can't cultures just get over their barbaric practices!?
     
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    It's a huge step forward for some girls who'd otherwise be scarred for life, but it's still light years away from the twenty-first century.
     
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    BTW, in most FMG "operations," they remove the entire clitoris and all labia; frequently, the girl has pain and health problems for life.

    What doctors in Australia and America are proposing is something that is more of a "ritual" cut that is less invasive than male circumcision.

    I am all for symbolic cutting if it means that even one baby girl is saved from a lifetime of pain.
     
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    Frequently they die.
     
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    They should offer the service free of charge to anyone in the community who's interested in having this done to their daughters.

    Then they escort the parents to a private waiting room.

    And the parents are never heard from again...
     
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    I just wonder how much having even this modified form of the "operation" gives legitimacy to a barbaric practice?
     
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    Just my thinking! Modifying a barbaric practice to make it acceptable is no justification.

    Next thing you know, Islamic countries will endorse chopping off a finger instead of the entire hand if a man touches a woman outside his family. Or they will suggest that instead of stoning a woman to death for adultery, they just throw 10 stones.
     
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    Would you not consider those hypothetical changes to be improvements from the status quo? Would you rather the more brutal practices continue as-is instead?
     
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    Listen, if you were a baby girl born to parents who came from this tradition, would you rather lay quietly while they cut of your clitoris or would you rather have a pin prick thanks to some people talking your parents into doing that instead?

    Seriously, go read the original thread about this which is suggested already and see what we think about it. I personally think you need to put yourself in the position of the little baby and how no one can tell their parents NOT to do it, but maybet this suffices for something far more positive than lopping her clit off.

    It's a step in the right direction! And yes, i'd rather do without one finger than the whole hand gone and i'd rather have 10 stones than 100. Common sense here....
     
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    Its all part of the culture that women are property to be controlled by men. By mutilating women, they cannot enjoy sex; only the men can. I remember when they locked women in college dorms a 9 PM (men had no hours) all under the premise that the only way to control the men was to confine the women. Why, if women liked sex as much as men, society would go to hell!
     
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    Well we can actually tell the parents not to do it - it is already an illegal practice in Australia, punishable by a lengthy prison sentence.


    The problem with a law that is not enforced however, is that those who would break it feel that they can continue to do so with impunity.
     
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    Circumcising young girls is child abuse: Goward

    PAUL TATNELL

    May 28, 2010 - 1:10PM
    [​IMG] Speaking out ... Pru Goward. Photo: Jacky Ghossein

    A former commonwealth sex discrimination commissioner has called for the prosecution of any Australian involved in the circumcision of young girls, saying the procedure is another form of child abuse.

    Former commissioner and current state Liberal MP, Pru Goward, called for action following revelations some doctors are considering introducing a controversial form of genital mutilation.

    The Royal Australian New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RANZCOG) says the practice of "ritual nicks" could meet the cultural needs of some women and potentially save some people from drastic surgery.

    Although illegal in Australia, female circumcision is common among some African, Asian and Middle Eastern communities but has been known to leave some young girls scarred for life when not carried out in proper clinical facilities.

    Ms Goward said that instead of softening our approach, authorities should begin prosecuting any family who carries out the procedure on its daughter.

    She said she doesn’t believe any Australian doctor currently performs the procedure and there are no known prosecutions of any doctor or parent for carrying out the practice.

    "This is child abuse, it doesn’t matter whether it is cultural or not, it is against the law and there is one law for all Australians," she said.

    "The law said it is seven years jail and of course it should not be allowed. There is anecdotal evidence that it is occurring, doctors have brought it to me when I was commissioner, they raised to me that there were cases ... and when I said to them why aren’t they reporting them it was because they feel it wouldn’t stand it up in court.

    "Doctors are anxious about taking on the family because the family will often just say the 'young girl slipped on some glass'."

    Ms Goward said using the "Neville Chamberlain" approach and finding a compromise on the issue would "be unacceptable to most Australians".

    She also said public hospitals "need to find some bottle" and report any suspected circumcision cases.

    ‘‘I think the Federal Government needs to have an education campaign as part of our immigration program, and if you are introducing people from other countries where you know it goes on, you need to let them know it is unlawful and it is not acceptable.’’

    RANZCOG secretary Gino Pecoraro said the issue would be discussed at a women’s health meeting in June.

    "We will need to start to think about [its introduction] but we would have to speak to community leaders from Australia," he said.

    "But we need to make sure we do not legitimise the ritualistic maiming of children."
    - with AAP
     
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    Like they do to little boys....:sad:
     
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