...in its current form.
anyone who thought true "change" was on the way, sorry, but it is business as usual in D.C.
This is merely a "change" back to incompetent, pork barrel democratic party politics from incompetent pork barrel republican politics.
I honestly say, as an independent, i believed obama when he said that he was serious about spending money on infrastructure, on new environmental technology, etc...I strongly support that, and i hoped he would follow through on it...but this bill offers absolutely nothing new.
I honestly believe a stimulus package is both needed and crucial.
if i had a vote to give Obama, the democrats and the republicans on the right stimulus package, i would absolutely do it, as it is critical...
but come on...i have now been examining this bill for a couple of days, and and a very substantial portion of it is pure crap.
Aside from the really ridiculous provisions which have already been struck down thankfully, there are still 100s of billions worth of money that is simply money down the drain...
This is a critical stimulus package, yet there is nearly $150 billion in education spending in it!!! That is completely insane. What exactly do expenditures on school renovation, Head Start, Special Ed etc. have to do with Stimulus? Nothing.
They should be in an education bill sometime later and in the federal budget
This is madness...
I would be utterly thrilled if Obama and the democrats took that $150 billion in proposed spending over the next two years, and crafted a comprehensive, inovative and massive energy plan with it, designed to modernize our power grid, go solar, improve hydro power, wind power, and fund power and research, as well as begin working on new mass transit soultions involving modernzing bus fleets to electric models, and designing and funding in conjunction with private industry a new Mag-Lev rail system among many other cruical things at this critical juncture...I would be absolutely thrilled, and this would truly create real good jobs, in the construction, operation and research sectors...
The plan does have some components of that, but not nearly enough.
this bill as it is, is mostly crap, and it is a disgrace.
anyone who thought Obama and the democrats would be different from the old democrats, or the old republicans should disavow themselves of that notion right this minute. It is more of the same, in more charismatic packaging.
I did not vote for him, nor did i vote for McCain.
But i strongly support a stimulus package, and i honestly support every possible energy initiative, as well as tax cuts/credits for those folks who are really in trouble.
Head Start does not create good jobs.
Painting a classroom is not a good job.
this is bunk, and a disgrace, and not at all a surprise.
why on earth do people keep voting for these two despicable political machines whose only care is their own hold on power?
if we are going to spend an extra near 900 billion in debt, and the interest payments and drain it will cause, this damn well better be properly targeted on utterly crucial needs, not bullshit.
if this package is a fuckup, we will not recover from this for probably close to a decade.
if this package is a fuckup, it will destroy the Obama presidency.
Let's face it, for you Obama supporters, if the economy is even worse in 4 years than it is now, with this package having been passed as it is now, he will not be re-elected, because ultimately "It's the economy, stupid" (or a variation on that)
so, if not for national interest, at least for your own political interests and belief, wouldn't you want this plan to be as absolutely effective as possible?
There is plenty of time for education and other issues when it comes to the Federal Budget...
why on earth is his administration taking such an absurdly huge gamble on some extremely bad choices in such a large portion of this absolutely critical, as i think we can all agree on, and needed stimulus package.
I hate to say that a "defining moment" in his presidency can come so quickly, but this is the most massive stimulus/spending plan in American History.
if we are going to take on this much new debt, and we want to get the economy moving again, investing in absurd things that do not in fact move our economy forward is not exactly a smart move.
This bill is a disgraceful example that it is still very much business as usual, from both sides of the aisle.
the Congressional Budget Office numbers below, section by section, show an absolutely massive social spending bill, not a "stimulus package".
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9968/hr1.pdf
some lowlights:
● $2.8 billion to expand broadband Internet service in rural areas
● $3.0 billion for grants to improve the criminal justice system
● $2.8 billion for grants to extend broadband Internet services
● $20.4 billion for programs administered by the Department of Health and Human Services
● $20.0 billion to renovate elementary and secondary schools;
● $17.6 billion for Pell grants and other student financial assistance and facilities at
post-secondary institutions including federal student loan programs
● $29.1 billon for other education programs aimed particularly at elementary and secondary education.
● $11.1 billion for housing assistance programs administered by HUD; and
● $5.2 billion for grants to states and cities for activities related to community development.
and this is the bill in its entirety, which is nonetheless, a disgrace.
http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr1_text.pdf
$1 billion for "periodic censuses"
$ 350 million for the "salaries and expenses" for the National telecommunication and information administration.
christ.
obviously, this will probably lead to another republican/democrat argument here, but can we all at least agree, that this plan is utterly critical to our nation, and niggling details aside, this bill should be used to *STIMULATE* the economy, not advance agendas?
anyone who thought true "change" was on the way, sorry, but it is business as usual in D.C.
This is merely a "change" back to incompetent, pork barrel democratic party politics from incompetent pork barrel republican politics.
I honestly say, as an independent, i believed obama when he said that he was serious about spending money on infrastructure, on new environmental technology, etc...I strongly support that, and i hoped he would follow through on it...but this bill offers absolutely nothing new.
I honestly believe a stimulus package is both needed and crucial.
if i had a vote to give Obama, the democrats and the republicans on the right stimulus package, i would absolutely do it, as it is critical...
but come on...i have now been examining this bill for a couple of days, and and a very substantial portion of it is pure crap.
Aside from the really ridiculous provisions which have already been struck down thankfully, there are still 100s of billions worth of money that is simply money down the drain...
This is a critical stimulus package, yet there is nearly $150 billion in education spending in it!!! That is completely insane. What exactly do expenditures on school renovation, Head Start, Special Ed etc. have to do with Stimulus? Nothing.
They should be in an education bill sometime later and in the federal budget
This is madness...
I would be utterly thrilled if Obama and the democrats took that $150 billion in proposed spending over the next two years, and crafted a comprehensive, inovative and massive energy plan with it, designed to modernize our power grid, go solar, improve hydro power, wind power, and fund power and research, as well as begin working on new mass transit soultions involving modernzing bus fleets to electric models, and designing and funding in conjunction with private industry a new Mag-Lev rail system among many other cruical things at this critical juncture...I would be absolutely thrilled, and this would truly create real good jobs, in the construction, operation and research sectors...
The plan does have some components of that, but not nearly enough.
this bill as it is, is mostly crap, and it is a disgrace.
anyone who thought Obama and the democrats would be different from the old democrats, or the old republicans should disavow themselves of that notion right this minute. It is more of the same, in more charismatic packaging.
I did not vote for him, nor did i vote for McCain.
But i strongly support a stimulus package, and i honestly support every possible energy initiative, as well as tax cuts/credits for those folks who are really in trouble.
Head Start does not create good jobs.
Painting a classroom is not a good job.
this is bunk, and a disgrace, and not at all a surprise.
why on earth do people keep voting for these two despicable political machines whose only care is their own hold on power?
if we are going to spend an extra near 900 billion in debt, and the interest payments and drain it will cause, this damn well better be properly targeted on utterly crucial needs, not bullshit.
if this package is a fuckup, we will not recover from this for probably close to a decade.
if this package is a fuckup, it will destroy the Obama presidency.
Let's face it, for you Obama supporters, if the economy is even worse in 4 years than it is now, with this package having been passed as it is now, he will not be re-elected, because ultimately "It's the economy, stupid" (or a variation on that)
so, if not for national interest, at least for your own political interests and belief, wouldn't you want this plan to be as absolutely effective as possible?
There is plenty of time for education and other issues when it comes to the Federal Budget...
why on earth is his administration taking such an absurdly huge gamble on some extremely bad choices in such a large portion of this absolutely critical, as i think we can all agree on, and needed stimulus package.
I hate to say that a "defining moment" in his presidency can come so quickly, but this is the most massive stimulus/spending plan in American History.
if we are going to take on this much new debt, and we want to get the economy moving again, investing in absurd things that do not in fact move our economy forward is not exactly a smart move.
This bill is a disgraceful example that it is still very much business as usual, from both sides of the aisle.
the Congressional Budget Office numbers below, section by section, show an absolutely massive social spending bill, not a "stimulus package".
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9968/hr1.pdf
some lowlights:
● $2.8 billion to expand broadband Internet service in rural areas
● $3.0 billion for grants to improve the criminal justice system
● $2.8 billion for grants to extend broadband Internet services
● $20.4 billion for programs administered by the Department of Health and Human Services
● $20.0 billion to renovate elementary and secondary schools;
● $17.6 billion for Pell grants and other student financial assistance and facilities at
post-secondary institutions including federal student loan programs
● $29.1 billon for other education programs aimed particularly at elementary and secondary education.
● $11.1 billion for housing assistance programs administered by HUD; and
● $5.2 billion for grants to states and cities for activities related to community development.
and this is the bill in its entirety, which is nonetheless, a disgrace.
http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr1_text.pdf
$1 billion for "periodic censuses"
$ 350 million for the "salaries and expenses" for the National telecommunication and information administration.
christ.
obviously, this will probably lead to another republican/democrat argument here, but can we all at least agree, that this plan is utterly critical to our nation, and niggling details aside, this bill should be used to *STIMULATE* the economy, not advance agendas?