"More moderation" is kind of vague. I've never known of Gillette to be one who says "don't you dare hurt anyone's feelings." She's always been very fair in her dealings with me, and I have ruffled a few feathers over the years.
Freddie's intention was pretty clear in his post, I think, and I don't see that being blown out of proportion. You're right, Freddie is a great guy. I doubt that this was some rogue act on his part. Don't shoot the messenger, as they say. It's obvious that this thread wasn't crafted with moderating team concensus (in other words, not unanimous), but it's equally obvious that it was crafted with some agreement among some of the mods. Perhaps most obvious is that the moderating team is asking our opinions on a divisive issue - in effect, the members moderating the moderators. Nothing wrong with that, and in some cases (arguably, this case) it's much better than an unexplained, unilateral decision.
I hate to disappoint you, but this was not crafted by a group of mods. I put the thread together solely by myself. I did not "run" this by the mod team before I posted it.
Again, my point all of us understand where the line is when we have broken the ToS. I had no plans to make any alteration of the ToS. I did want to reduce those grey areas where so many don't know if they are on thin ice when they write something and when they aren't.
Who here doesn't want to know where the line is when they make a post. Would you want to play basket ball where only the referee knows where the out of bounds line is? I wouldn't.
Speaking to the LOLs and Icons. Those were suggestions that might help. Not a rule that you must follow.
I really don't give a high
fucking leap what words you use. It is what you meant and to know that I have to go back to the beginning of the thread or the conversation between two people to know that; to see if one or both have violated the ToS.
I hope I don't get banned for revealing this information from the mod forum, if I do, well I love you all but here goes:
Do any of you have an idea of how many reported posts we get that we have to just laugh to each other and go on.
Examples of reports:
So and so used foul language in this posts.
The post had the work fuck in it. Never mind that several of the many of the mods including me have used that word ourselves, we are being asked by a member to take action against someone because they used the word fuck.
This is an adult site. It is the intent not the specific words that matters. Those words either violated the ToS or they didn't. Mods use our judgments in those situations.
This post has too many misspelled words and uses u for you and r for are. Can you stop this?
Not no, but hell no. As a member I can lambaste a person for posting something that can't be understood. As a mod, no. I am NOT every going to vote to give an official warning or a ban for such as this. It is a bit ridiculous. (Freddie's opinion)
These two are enough to let the members know that some people don't have a clue what we allow by law (the ToS) and what the majority of members consider to be appropriate.
Every site has a set of unofficial codes that most members follow and if you get outside of that, someone will post a comment on it. But this is NOT MOD moderating. It is SELF MODERATING by all the members where mods have no more say than anyone else. Certain behaviors will keep you in good standing with a majority of the members here. Some behaviors will make you almost an outcast. That is not a MOD PROBLEM and I certainly don't want that responsibility. That is a member's decision on how they want others to view them. The members form their opinions of the person by what they write. We don't have anything else except words to go by.
So if you tell a person to take their opinion and stick it up their ass, I would NOT vote to warn a person. First of all, I don't think putting your opinion up your ass is going to hurt. And.....It is a suggestion.
I would say though that if a member actually knew the address of a person and literally meant that they were going to drive to their house and literally stick a broom handle up their ass, it would be a hell of a lot more serious problem than just a mod team action, though I'm sure that kind of REAL thread would get a person banned in a heartbeat.
I don't know what else we could do. I hope to God we never have to face such a real life situation here at the LPSG. That sounds like a Rob E problem to decide what else to do if anything.
It would help all of us if we didn't have those grey areas. We can't get rid of all of them. It would be nice to reduce them them though.
If this treaad does just that, then it will have been worthwhile.
