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Not sure if this thread has already been posted, but I haven’t seen it, so I thought to start a new one. Also spoilers alert fyi.

The other day I went to see Barbie. I wasn’t sure I wanted to go see it and if my friend hadn’t dragged me to AMC after three weeks from its release I would have probably been still clueless if it was going to be a good movie or not. I had mixed feelings to begin with. So I wasn’t 100% surprised when I decided it was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen in my life.
Beside the fact the story was messy, the plot lacking and some characters unnecessary, what stuck with me the most was how fake and ridiculous its feminist and inclusive propaganda is. For the entire movie they literally shove at your throat that this movie is a feminist, diverse and inclusive story to the point that it’s just too much. Literally every single male character in the movie is seen as an idiot or an opportunist, unless they are emasculated and feminist supporters too. That is not feminism. Any rights movement doesn’t need to discredit the rights of any other being. If I think of right feminist stories I think of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. For the entire seven seasons they never attempted to make men as the villains. But Barbie did. So that made me wonder if the intentions behind the movie are real or it’s just an easy clap for people to restore Barbie’s dead popularity and earn a lot of money at the box office.
I mean after all if you think in the big picture Barbie is a doll owned by one of the biggest corporations in America. Since its release it has always been very controversial. People accused Barbie to be anti-feminist and sexualized, just like one the characters of the movie accused Margot Robbie in one of the movie scenes. But where’s the point in the movie where you realize Barbie is not just a pretty face?? Seriously I didn’t get it. Is that at the end where Barbie wants to become a real person so that she can be her own boss and become the inventor behind the idea? How does that apply to real life? Barbie dolls in real life are just toys, they don’t talk or are alive like Margot Robbie. Now all of a sudden we should feel empathetic to Barbie, the brand, because a character from a movie who was scripted and fictional decided she wanted to be more than just a pretty face? Again I didn’t get it and those cheap formulas make me believe nothing but the worst things behind the intentions of the movie director and Mattel. I also didn’t buy the “inclusive” message thrown in it. America Ferrara, a Hispanic woman, is the real hero behind the movie versus the white men who are mean and stupid. Yet the movie is called Barbie, two white cis stereotypically beautiful actors are the main characters of the story, yet they want you to believe they’re inclusive and they promote diversity. All smoke in the eyes in my opinion.
Anyway any thoughts on this movie?
 

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Not sure if this thread has already been posted, but I haven’t seen it, so I thought to start a new one. Also spoilers alert fyi.

The other day I went to see Barbie. I wasn’t sure I wanted to go see it and if my friend hadn’t dragged me to AMC after three weeks from its release I would have probably been still clueless if it was going to be a good movie or not. I had mixed feelings to begin with. So I wasn’t 100% surprised when I decided it was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen in my life.
Beside the fact the story was messy, the plot lacking and some characters unnecessary, what stuck with me the most was how fake and ridiculous its feminist and inclusive propaganda is. For the entire movie they literally shove at your throat that this movie is a feminist, diverse and inclusive story to the point that it’s just too much. Literally every single male character in the movie is seen as an idiot or an opportunist, unless they are emasculated and feminist supporters too. That is not feminism. Any rights movement doesn’t need to discredit the rights of any other being. If I think of right feminist stories I think of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. For the entire seven seasons they never attempted to make men as the villains. But Barbie did. So that made me wonder if the intentions behind the movie are real or it’s just an easy clap for people to restore Barbie’s dead popularity and earn a lot of money at the box office.
I mean after all if you think in the big picture Barbie is a doll owned by one of the biggest corporations in America. Since its release it has always been very controversial. People accused Barbie to be anti-feminist and sexualized, just like one the characters of the movie accused Margot Robbie in one of the movie scenes. But where’s the point in the movie where you realize Barbie is not just a pretty face?? Seriously I didn’t get it. Is that at the end where Barbie wants to become a real person so that she can be her own boss and become the inventor behind the idea? How does that apply to real life? Barbie dolls in real life are just toys, they don’t talk or are alive like Margot Robbie. Now all of a sudden we should feel empathetic to Barbie, the brand, because a character from a movie who was scripted and fictional decided she wanted to be more than just a pretty face? Again I didn’t get it and those cheap formulas make me believe nothing but the worst things behind the intentions of the movie director and Mattel. I also didn’t buy the “inclusive” message thrown in it. America Ferrara, a Hispanic woman, is the real hero behind the movie versus the white men who are mean and stupid. Yet the movie is called Barbie, two white cis stereotypically beautiful actors are the main characters of the story, yet they want you to believe they’re inclusive and they promote diversity. All smoke in the eyes in my opinion.
Anyway any thoughts on this movie?
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I wouldn't take it too seriously. The whole idea of using a plastic doll as a feminist role model is a plastic script from the start. Although, Bondage Barbie may pique my interest

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The other day I went to see Barbie. I wasn’t sure I wanted to go see it and if my friend hadn’t dragged me to AMC after three weeks from its release I would have probably been still clueless if it was going to be a good movie or not. I had mixed feelings to begin with. So I wasn’t 100% surprised when I decided it was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen in my life.

I am wondering whether you went in there hating it because of the messaging? I went into it with an open mind, hoping for a subtle take on women’s rights whilst also remembering it is a BARBIE movie.


Beside the fact the story was messy, the plot lacking and some characters unnecessary, what stuck with me the most was how fake and ridiculous its feminist and inclusive propaganda is.

You are right re: the plot but we are talking about a movie about a doll. It is funny because women I know that have seen it feel it was positive and a good message for young girls that they can achieve anything. Personally, I found it was a blunt tool, a sledgehammer to crack a nut (oooh er!) What I find also interesting is how women have, for decades, complained about being confined to gender roles (e.g., women being emotional, bad drivers, should be in the kitchen etc, which BTW I disagree with!). Yet this movie literally makes men a singularity with no variation. When in doubt, just do the same shit you accuse others of doing hey? :p



For the entire movie they literally shove at your throat that this movie is a feminist, diverse and inclusive story to the point that it’s just too much.

The problem with feminism is that it lands awkwardly for many women, they do not buy the rhetoric. So, it makes sense why this is so “out there.” It is almost a parody of itself.

Literally every single male character in the movie is seen as an idiot or an opportunist, unless they are emasculated and feminist supporters too. That is not feminism. Any rights movement doesn’t need to discredit the rights of any other being.

That is where you have it wrong. It IS about discrediting the rights of others in 2023. It used to be a noble cause, the rights and equality of women (heck, I have a daughter and many wonderful women in my life, I want that for them!) It is now about “patriarchy”, despite the fact that men die in workplaces more, get a raw deal in divorce settlements and family courts, end their lives much more frequently, are widely barred from social housing lists (because they aren’t a priority). Of course, you have to ignore ALL of those issues to buy into the narrative here. But again, it is a BARBIE movie…so hardly surprising.

So that made me wonder if the intentions behind the movie are real or it’s just an easy clap for people to restore Barbie’s dead popularity and earn a lot of money at the box office.

It is all a big money-making exercise, masquerading as some sort of social justice drive. Which is ironic, because it is exploiting feminism and the women’s rights movement to make a buck – most likely lining the pockets of male executives of WB and Mattell!

What I find most ironic, and I do not think the creators are intelligent enough to see it themselves, is that it is a slight own goal. Because Barbie is essentially “men” in the real world, having a world that revolves around them. She must face an attack from the Kens and is supposed to be the sympathetic character. Yet what they fail to see is that it is men in the “real world” that are fighting against an attack from ultra-feminists.

I personally would have had the movie where Kens can contribute alongside Barbies, that they can have an equal footing. But that is not cool in 2023. Apparently.
 

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The other day I went to see Barbie. I wasn’t sure I wanted to go see it and if my friend hadn’t dragged me to AMC after three weeks from its release I would have probably been still clueless if it was going to be a good movie or not. I had mixed feelings to begin with. So I wasn’t 100% surprised when I decided it was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen in my life.

I am wondering whether you went in there hating it because of the messaging? I went into it with an open mind, hoping for a subtle take on women’s rights whilst also remembering it is a BARBIE movie.


Beside the fact the story was messy, the plot lacking and some characters unnecessary, what stuck with me the most was how fake and ridiculous its feminist and inclusive propaganda is.

You are right re: the plot but we are talking about a movie about a doll. It is funny because women I know that have seen it feel it was positive and a good message for young girls that they can achieve anything. Personally, I found it was a blunt tool, a sledgehammer to crack a nut (oooh er!) What I find also interesting is how women have, for decades, complained about being confined to gender roles (e.g., women being emotional, bad drivers, should be in the kitchen etc, which BTW I disagree with!). Yet this movie literally makes men a singularity with no variation. When in doubt, just do the same shit you accuse others of doing hey? :p



For the entire movie they literally shove at your throat that this movie is a feminist, diverse and inclusive story to the point that it’s just too much.

The problem with feminism is that it lands awkwardly for many women, they do not buy the rhetoric. So, it makes sense why this is so “out there.” It is almost a parody of itself.

Literally every single male character in the movie is seen as an idiot or an opportunist, unless they are emasculated and feminist supporters too. That is not feminism. Any rights movement doesn’t need to discredit the rights of any other being.

That is where you have it wrong. It IS about discrediting the rights of others in 2023. It used to be a noble cause, the rights and equality of women (heck, I have a daughter and many wonderful women in my life, I want that for them!) It is now about “patriarchy”, despite the fact that men die in workplaces more, get a raw deal in divorce settlements and family courts, end their lives much more frequently, are widely barred from social housing lists (because they aren’t a priority). Of course, you have to ignore ALL of those issues to buy into the narrative here. But again, it is a BARBIE movie…so hardly surprising.

So that made me wonder if the intentions behind the movie are real or it’s just an easy clap for people to restore Barbie’s dead popularity and earn a lot of money at the box office.

It is all a big money-making exercise, masquerading as some sort of social justice drive. Which is ironic, because it is exploiting feminism and the women’s rights movement to make a buck – most likely lining the pockets of male executives of WB and Mattell!

What I find most ironic, and I do not think the creators are intelligent enough to see it themselves, is that it is a slight own goal. Because Barbie is essentially “men” in the real world, having a world that revolves around them. She must face an attack from the Kens and is supposed to be the sympathetic character. Yet what they fail to see is that it is men in the “real world” that are fighting against an attack from ultra-feminists.

I personally would have had the movie where Kens can contribute alongside Barbies, that they can have an equal footing. But that is not cool in 2023. Apparently.
Thank you for the detailed comment. Also please don’t take it as an insult because it’s not, but your comment screams so bad “tell me your British without telling me you’re British” hahahhahahahaahah
 

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Thank you for the detailed comment. Also please don’t take it as an insult because it’s not, but your comment screams so bad “tell me your British without telling me you’re British” hahahhahahahaaha
It may be a surprise but I'm BRITISH!!! :scream::scream::scream::scream::scream::scream::scream:

How did my post give it away though? Just curious.
 

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It may be a surprise but I'm BRITISH!!! :scream::scream::scream::scream::scream::scream::scream:

How did my post give it away though? Just curious.
Because of the way it was written. We talk and write in a more simplistic way in the US. When you see a very articulate and descriptive comment you know for sure it ain’t come from one of us hahhahahahaa
 

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Because of the way it was written. We talk and write in a more simplistic way in the US. When you see a very articulate and descriptive comment you know for sure it ain’t come from one of us hahhahahahaa
Aww thanks! I wouldn't say that but ty!
 
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The other day I went to see Barbie. I wasn’t sure I wanted to go see it and if my friend hadn’t dragged me to AMC after three weeks from its release I would have probably been still clueless if it was going to be a good movie or not. I had mixed feelings to begin with. So I wasn’t 100% surprised when I decided it was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen in my life.

I am wondering whether you went in there hating it because of the messaging? I went into it with an open mind, hoping for a subtle take on women’s rights whilst also remembering it is a BARBIE movie.


Beside the fact the story was messy, the plot lacking and some characters unnecessary, what stuck with me the most was how fake and ridiculous its feminist and inclusive propaganda is.

You are right re: the plot but we are talking about a movie about a doll. It is funny because women I know that have seen it feel it was positive and a good message for young girls that they can achieve anything. Personally, I found it was a blunt tool, a sledgehammer to crack a nut (oooh er!) What I find also interesting is how women have, for decades, complained about being confined to gender roles (e.g., women being emotional, bad drivers, should be in the kitchen etc, which BTW I disagree with!). Yet this movie literally makes men a singularity with no variation. When in doubt, just do the same shit you accuse others of doing hey? :p



For the entire movie they literally shove at your throat that this movie is a feminist, diverse and inclusive story to the point that it’s just too much.

The problem with feminism is that it lands awkwardly for many women, they do not buy the rhetoric. So, it makes sense why this is so “out there.” It is almost a parody of itself.

Literally every single male character in the movie is seen as an idiot or an opportunist, unless they are emasculated and feminist supporters too. That is not feminism. Any rights movement doesn’t need to discredit the rights of any other being.

That is where you have it wrong. It IS about discrediting the rights of others in 2023. It used to be a noble cause, the rights and equality of women (heck, I have a daughter and many wonderful women in my life, I want that for them!) It is now about “patriarchy”, despite the fact that men die in workplaces more, get a raw deal in divorce settlements and family courts, end their lives much more frequently, are widely barred from social housing lists (because they aren’t a priority). Of course, you have to ignore ALL of those issues to buy into the narrative here. But again, it is a BARBIE movie…so hardly surprising.

So that made me wonder if the intentions behind the movie are real or it’s just an easy clap for people to restore Barbie’s dead popularity and earn a lot of money at the box office.

It is all a big money-making exercise, masquerading as some sort of social justice drive. Which is ironic, because it is exploiting feminism and the women’s rights movement to make a buck – most likely lining the pockets of male executives of WB and Mattell!

What I find most ironic, and I do not think the creators are intelligent enough to see it themselves, is that it is a slight own goal. Because Barbie is essentially “men” in the real world, having a world that revolves around them. She must face an attack from the Kens and is supposed to be the sympathetic character. Yet what they fail to see is that it is men in the “real world” that are fighting against an attack from ultra-feminists.

I personally would have had the movie where Kens can contribute alongside Barbies, that they can have an equal footing. But that is not cool in 2023. Apparently.
Thought I was the only one feeling this, but I absolutely agree! I really wanted to like this movie (I really did), and I ended up seeing it twice in the cinema. I thought I'd understand the story a little better and change my ratings the second time around. Cuz like.... what even is this movie about???? I don't think there was ever a so-called central message in this movie and to me this movie is just an echo chamber that reinforce the culture zeitgeist of today to people who are absolutely oblivious to LGBTQ/female empowerment before they became "a thing".

The jokes were okay, but the pacing was not good at all. 2nd and 3rd acts were executed very poorly, with four separate plot lines getting mushed together into a confusing, incoherent mess. The entire journey with the daughter and America Ferrera is super weird.. like why would she go from roasting Barbie in canteen to saving Barbie-dom with her??? Ugh and there are so much more to nitpick from but you get the gist- the story, the premise, the set-up...are UNDERWHELMING!!!!! To be honest I don't even think the feminist discourse went even far enough in this movie and they should have just focused on one aspect in the storytelling. I do really like the "human experience" depiction and I wish they could have explored it more but oh well..... this movie is clearly a oscar/PC bait. I've seen better works from Greta.....
 
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do really like the "human experience" depiction and I wish they could have explored it more but oh well.
When I watched the trailer I thought the main storyline was the “human experience” and that’s what got me into it. You can’t really tell the real plot from the trailer, another thing that made me mad. I liked the idea of Barbie going from her “perfect” world to the real world and experience how hard and different is the real world, but at the same time worth it because when everyday is perfect you can’t distinguish the good days from the bad. They’re all the same. I kind of liked that idea and that message, but what do I know? I was 100% wrong -_-
 
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I've not seen the movie but it has had saturation coverage and mega publicity here in the UK. I tend to react against over-hyped movies so I'm not sure I will see it at all. I'll maybe wait till it is streamed.

My honest feeling about it is that we are all involved/participating in this massive promotional campaign by Mattel, whether we want to or not. By discussing it here, by taking up a position on it, for or against, we are being manipulated into thinking about their plastic doll. We cannot ignore the doll. Mattel have gotten into our minds this summer. How many extra dolls and associated merchandise will they sell?

The degree of mind control these corporations have over us is frightening.
 
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Ha, then I saw this cool fake. I know it's not his body but that is about how I imagine Gosling being hung. The dick size to me would be believable.

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When I watched the trailer I thought the main storyline was the “human experience” and that’s what got me into it. You can’t really tell the real plot from the trailer, another thing that made me mad. I liked the idea of Barbie going from her “perfect” world to the real world and experience how hard and different is the real world, but at the same time worth it because when everyday is perfect you can’t distinguish the good days from the bad. They’re all the same. I kind of liked that idea and that message, but what do I know? I was 100% wrong -_-
they could have made a film about "human experience" but NOPE they want to meet all the boxes - and all you get is a mushy, bland mess that is over-seasoned with pink glitter consumerism :expressionless:
 
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Ha, then I saw this cool fake. I know it's not his body but that is about how I imagine Gosling being hung. The dick size to me would be believable.

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I've not seen the movie but it has had saturation coverage and mega publicity here in the UK. I tend to react against over-hyped movies so I'm not sure I will see it at all. I'll maybe wait till it is streamed.

My honest feeling about it is that we are all involved/participating in this massive promotional campaign by Mattel, whether we want to or not. By discussing it here, by taking up a position on it, for or against, we are being manipulated into thinking about their plastic doll. We cannot ignore the doll. Mattel have gotten into our minds this summer. How many extra dolls and associated merchandise will they sell?

The degree of mind control these corporations have over us is frightening.
Hear me out, Barbie is the white women's Black Panther. If you think about it, all this is very similar to the over-positive reaction and saturation associated with Black Panther. I thoroughly enjoyed BP but it's clearly not Best Picture material, like...??? (BP is better than Barbie in my opinion but comparison between these two is irrelevant and pointless, um nevermind)

The way how people are overhyping Barbie/BP is worrisome considering their relative mediocrity, when compared to other great films released in 2018/this year. The mass enthusiasm for this bland film is maddening (Kenergy???? Kenough??? Mojo Dojo House??? Why are they even a thing???). The message in this movie is a full-on 2014 flashback of BuzzFeed airpunching and it's just so surface-level. Whenever the Hollywood machine produces a movie that pegs itself with gender/race, it is automatically placed on a glass pedestal for the masses to applaud mindlessly in an echo chamber - and it's saddening that many people out there are fake-pretending how "good" this film is.
 
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So, I wasn't really looking forward to checking this out, but the family convinced me to give it a shot, and I gotta say, I was pleasantly surprised!

It was smart, and nailed certain stereotypes in a somewhat ironic way. As much as you can with satire.

It wasn't just about Barbie. The way they used Ken, and represented problematic masculinity, was brilliant. The messages were for women AND men, and they were pretty deep. I wouldn't have guessed it would be about people figuring out their place in the world?

And the way they portrayed Barbieland, like this ignorant bubble oblivious to the real world... Nice metaphor for feminism or any narrow-minded view point IMO.

Honestly, it wasn't even pro Barbie or Mattel. It went way beyond that.

Surprisingly one of the better films I've seen over the last few years. I don't get why some folks are hating on it so much. The film used those stereotypical characterizations to actually prove a point - that deep down, we're all pretty darn similar.
 

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The messages were for women AND men, and they were pretty deep

Honestly, it wasn't even pro Barbie or Mattel. It went way beyond that.

The film used those stereotypical characterizations to actually prove a point - that deep down, we're all pretty darn similar.
Could you enlighten me where the movie said something very smart and relevant about women and how it proved the point that men and women are “similar”?
 
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Could you enlighten me where the movie said something very smart and relevant about women and how it proved the point that men and women are “similar”?
I didn’t say it was ‘very smart’, nor did I say it was ‘relevant’.

I said that it was smart in how it handled the main themes. Smarter than how those who despise it are painting it to be.

The point about them being similar refers to how the film addresses the issue of neither sex particularly knowing their place in the world, or how to move forward. Both are shown as being lost, among expectations and stereotypes. ‘Similar’ in the sense that we’re all human. Not ‘similar’ in terms of personality traits. You’ve misunderstood my comment, which ironically is what I think is happening to those who are hating on the movie or calling it ‘anti men’. There’s a lot more nuance to it. And it’s being misunderstood.

Is it the greatest and smartest film of all time? Of course not.