Time magazine finds obama leads all for 2012....

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The childish bickering has been going on since the beginning of the political system, there's a reason some of the most successful states in history have ignored democratic systems for autocracy when they want to achieve things, because democracy is just so slow at getting anything done, and one man's will just isn't enough to push through all the nonsense.

In the context of this discussion? He's had to compromise too much, has achieved too little (because coming out of the campaign he had, he was always going to achieve too little with expectations so high). His main strength will be showing the way the opposition has voted in an 'anti American' way (no doubt this phrase will mean whatever each side says it will mean when they use it, frequently), though the turn out will be massively hit because his whole platform needs to change. Yes We Can has obviously died and needs to reborn.

If the republicans can get their act together picking a strong front runner I certainly feel they can go the distance, their biggest problem is themselves, not Obama.
 

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Yet Pelosi and friends have expressed public support for the "Occupy" movement, which ostentatiously includes proud card-carrying Communists and other nut jobs.
Hell I'd support OWS if for no other reason it shows the younger generation is showing some cajones about their future.
 

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If you are banking on that as the evidence that O. will get reelected think carefully. About 4 years ago there was a wide divide on whether Clinton or Obama was the candidate of choice for most of the Democrat voters. Once a choice was made at the convention lots of voters jumped from Clinton to Obama without hesitation. The same will happen with the Republicans.

Maybe yes -- maybe no. You need to understand the raw mindset of the conservative religious "right." For a long time now, their great goal has been to see an "upstanding good Christian man" in the top executive position to lead this nation. In many parts of the South, "Good Christian politician" and "Republican" are practically synonymous! Most of these "types" judge Mormonism as a "sect" (I know the word "cult" has been used -- but I think the word "sect" is more appropriate). Their practice of multiple baptisms for the dead and allegiance to a very "strange" book other than the "Good Book" ALONE, would in many Fundamentalist's eyes make voting for a Mormon tantamount to voting for a "Non-believer"!

These people have been persuaded for so long that their vote is "saving" the nation for Christ that seeing Mitt Romney as their "choice" is going to be almost impossible. A lot of Southern Preachers are going to have a rough time convincing their sheep that all that rhetoric they've been spewing forth needs to be "set aside" in order to choose the lessor of two evils. The Evangelical Vote from Virginia to Texas and points north up the Mississippi River Basin are NOT simply going to march in line behind Romney, just because he wears the Republican Label! And in many of their eyes to START with he's really a Rhino!!
 

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In my opinion, Obama has shown a lack of leadership.

That, and his PR people are doing a horrid job. The bus trip, vacationing in martha vinyards, the harvard professor incident in 2009...
 

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Yet Pelosi and friends have expressed public support for the "Occupy" movement, which ostentatiously includes proud card-carrying Communists and other nut jobs.


What do you expect when they are the 99% ? They've got it all, soup to nuts.

Guess you are scared to post over on the Wall Street thread, because there might be Republicans over there...
 

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My left nut has more leadership ability than Obama.

You can agree or disagree about how he is as a president, but his leadership and PR sense suck (and not in a good way).
 

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They like him. They really like him. Despite all the attempts to demonize him, he remains a real and human person who genuinely connects with people, because that's who he is. Not the socialist, classist-warfare, angry black person, the conservative, religious right wants to paint him as...just as the community activist background he came from. I genuinely believe he wants to preserve and protect. I believe he is a great man in a beleaguered time. I believe he will be vindicated by history, not that that will mean much in the here and now. I sincerely wish people would stop hating him and move forward for the best of this country and stop with the bullshit partisan politics. That's the problem.
 

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Hoss, and fellow GOP whiners, the lack of enthusiasm for the Repugnantcan dwarves is palpable, according to numerous news sources (CNN, CBS , NBC , the Gallup poll and others). the fact that the GOP race is the flava of the month club is why Obama leads them in all respected survey matchups. that is a fact , Hoss, not fiction. and with the final withdrawal of troops from Iraq and the end of Gadaffi, the president makes good on two more promises. what has the GOP done with its promises to create jobs from last years election? NOT A DAMN THING. CASE CLOSED. REELECT OBAMA.
 
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The Republican candidates can say what they want, but our President has been remarkably effective:
The 244 ACCOMPLISHMENTS of PRESIDENT OBAMA | Addicting Info


Who said anything about "Republican candidates"?

Since you like polls (the ones that temporarily confirm your own bias):


"President Barack Obama averaged 41% job approval during his 11th quarter in office, down six percentage points from his 10th quarter average and his lowest to date. Obama's most recent quarterly average ranks in the bottom fifth of all 262 presidential quarters Gallup has measured since 1945."

Presidential Job Approval, Daily Data, Barack Obama, the Presidency
 

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They like him. They really like him. Despite all the attempts to demonize him, he remains a real and human person who genuinely connects with people, because that's who he is. Not the socialist, classist-warfare, angry black person, the conservative, religious right wants to paint him as...just as the community activist background he came from. I genuinely believe he wants to preserve and protect. I believe he is a great man in a beleaguered time. I believe he will be vindicated by history, not that that will mean much in the here and now. I sincerely wish people would stop hating him and move forward for the best of this country and stop with the bullshit partisan politics. That's the problem.

It should come as no surprise that I agree with this post in its entirety, as Nick8 and I are essentially identical cousins (in a Patty Duke sorta way). However, DazedandConfused does have one legit point, and it troubles me deeply: his messaging sucks goats.

Obama needs to rethink his entire press/PR staff and do some mighty heavy weeding. Even at its most horrifying, GWB's agenda and accomplishments were clearly known to anyone with a TV or an internet hook-up. Obama's such a successful target to all who oppose him (from left or right) because his message is cloudy, muffled and strangely obscure to the general electorate.

IMO, his messaging/PR is his chief failure, and it could well cost him reelection.
 

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Wait until the news breaks about how much money the banks, wall street execs, and big business are pouring into campaign coffers. Former Goldman Sachs exec Jon Corzine has already raised over half a million for his campaign. If you follow the money, you'll see something is rotten in all over Denmark. Both parties stink of corporate influence peddling through their campaign support.

QFT :beerchug2:

IMHO, at the end of the day...this will be an election cycle (from the primaries to the general) characterized by voting 'against' a candidate rather than 'for' one....and that is a scary, slippery slope. The ideology and messages on both sides are incoherent and muddy.
 

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QFT :beerchug2:

IMHO, at the end of the day...this will be an election cycle (from the primaries to the general) characterized by voting 'against' a candidate rather than 'for' one....and that is a scary, slippery slope. The ideology and messages on both sides are incoherent and muddy.

It is what a lot of the presidential elections have been about for the last 40 years or more. The last election was more anti-Bush than anything.

I vote BiItalianBro for president. Have you seen the size of his roast?
 
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IMO, his messaging/PR is his chief failure, and it could well cost him reelection.

It's the entire democratic party.........


Democrats who run for president have to build their own pyramids all by themselves. There is no coherent, larger structure that they can rely on. Unlike Republicans, they don't simply have to assemble a campaign apparatus - they have to formulate ideas and a vision, too.

A Party Inverted

 

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It's the entire democratic party.........

Democrats who run for president have to build their own pyramids all by themselves. There is no coherent, larger structure that they can rely on. Unlike Republicans, they don't simply have to assemble a campaign apparatus - they have to formulate ideas and a vision, too.

A Party Inverted


The Democratic Party has a very large fund raising machine, and it has a large organization. The biggest problem is it has to appease so many different groups that make up its core. You have the pro-abortion, gay rights, anti-Christian, pro-entitlements, pro-labor, animal rights activists, and so on until we've typed our little fingers off. How do you come up with a platform that appeals to all of them?
 

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I believe Obama will win by a wide margin. Not because there isn't a better Republican candidate, which there isn't, but because, in the end, he has MADE PROGRESS despite the biggest opposition effort in recent US history.

The slow recovery of the economy is a direct result of Republican opposition. No matter what the man tries to do, he is attacked. Yet, through it all, he has made progress.
 

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The slow recovery of the economy is a direct result of Republican opposition. No matter what the man tries to do, he is attacked. Yet, through it all, he has made progress.

The entire world is in danger of a disastrous economic collapse, and you blame the repubs for the US getting what it earned? Now come on, it's okay to support whomever you want too but get real with the statements.