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Umm...Tony Blair!!!!

In the words of Jordan (aka Katie Price) during an interview with Frank Skinner in 2005, when asked what she thought of the Dubba and Tony:

"Where there is a bush, theres always an arsehole right next to it"

Enuff said I feel.

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Am more than willing to open up a 'Tony B_Liar Emigration Fund' and make the first donation of £100 to get him shipping off our shores – America would be a great new home(plenty of miles to stop him coming back), but I like America and Americans and think you've probably had enough punishment with Bush than to be saddled with another lame duck "-)))))
Oh dear,Janey where do I start ?You do yourself no favours by quoting from the profound political insight of a Sun Page3 bimbo,but the way you say ''Dubba'' and ''enuff'' I suspect you're a very young girl so you're forgiven.
I am the wrong side of 40 and can remember all the Prime Ministers from the mid 1960s onwards.I can tell you that Tony Blair is the best PM we've had in my lifetime.Some of the people having a go at him have very short memories,others aren't old enough (or should I say enuff?) to remember his predecessors.I despised Thatcher so much that I emigrated for a year.
Thanks to our ''special relationship'' with the USA it dosen't matter who the President is,our PM will always be his best buddy.
I'll finish by saying well done to you Democrats this week,it's good to see the smirk wiped off Georgie's face. :cool:
 

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and your claim that all current Democrat politicians are somehow angels has substance? The ridiculousness of this statement should be self-evident, it doesn't need to be proven.

Oh this is ridiculous... Did I say they were f*****g angels? Thanks a lot for putting words in my mouth bud! Do you have anymore statements of mine you would like to misquote?
 

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you certainly fucking implied it.

Well, I cannot predict the future but I guess I am just betting on the fact that the new batch of Dems are a good lot. I am definately a democratic cheerleader, I am completely guilty of that, but I did list the WACO incident as being a total democratic disaster and did inicate that they were not anywhere near angelic. Here is the phrase that you have been missing from what I posted earlier.

"There are a few corrupt democrats, but it is usually on a pretty small scale and usually just involves bribery and personal gain."

I don't know of ANY angel who would be involved in bribery or theft.

It's all good NineInch!
 

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Barack seems to be impressing the hell out of lots of people. I have not read his book... I did watch him on Meet the Press, and he did not blow me away. But look at the rest of the losers we have to choose from?

There was a reason -- like him or not -- Ronald Reagan was called The Great Communicator. Today's leading politicians can't seem to give a speech to save their lives...much less "connect" with millions of voters.

I often wonder what our political future holds?
 

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Respectfully, that is not what the polling shows at this point in time. It shows that she is absolutely despised by about 40% of the population, but that same 40% says they would not vote for any Democrat proposed to them. She polls well, however, with about 48% of the population. That is the single highest number of anyone who is testing the waters now. It only takes 50% to win. In order for you bleek scenario to be true, NIC, every person who responded that they had no strong opinion would ultimately have to vote against her.

It doesn't matter how much the opposition hates you, as long as the haters are less than 50% of the voters.

Not entirely true there. Al Gore had MORE than 50% of the general (popular) vote. What he did not achieve, was an indisputable 50% of the electoral college.

Now there are many who question the wisdom of keeping such an archaic, unnecessary and convoluted system by which to elect the president. Given the history and reasoning that created it, it did have its uses. And one of those reasons was that the founding fathers didn't trust the general public to know enough (education and information) to directly elect a president. Sadly, given the presidents of the last 25 years, I'd have to agree with that assessment.
 

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I was really skeptical of all of the press Sen. Obama has been receiving but I actually listened to him the other day and I was very impressed. I usually vote for the lesser of evils. It would be nice to vote for someone regardless of party lines who I could believe in for once.
 

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My first choice would be James Earl Carter, but his advanced age would prohibit it. After all, he was the last (almost) real liberal to hold the office. And a pretty good example of what a Christian is supposed to be, to boot.

Clinton did a lot of good things, but he also expanded "free" trade, a policy that has helped turn the US from the world's largest creditor, largest importer of raw materials, largest manufacturing economy, and largest exporter of finished products in 1980, to the world's largest debtor, largest exporter of raw materials, and largest importer of finished goods today. He also caved in completely on Gays in the military (as a Gay man, I have often appreciated that ban, especially being old enough to have had to register just before the end of the draft), and was part and parcel of the "Democratic Leadership Council" that moved the party so far to the right that they were like Republican Lite. Even though I live in NY, I wouldn't vote for Hillary unless she was the very least of however many evils. I did vote for her for Senate in 2000. She has had her chance, and from my point of view, has done little or nothing for NY State. So in 2006, I voted Green Party for Senate.

Of the available options, I would really like Howard Dean to run again. He is clearly the most intelligent of the polititions, and proved it in the mid-term elections, orchestrating the flood of Democratic wins. But I suppose it is out of the question. Russ Feingold would also be okay. Obama seems to be a possibility in the future, but isn't experienced enough for it yet. Maybe Wes Clark.

On the Republican side, the only ones who have a snowball's chance in hell are Guilliani and Powell. And Powell would have to come out strong, RIGHT NOW, against Bush and make his part in the Iraq debacle right with the American people. Too bad Cheney didn't use his shooting his friend as an excuse to step down while the Republicans had control of the Senate. They could have nominated the next President to replace him in the VP's office now, confirmed him in the Senate, and given him the power of the bully pulpit to run from, ala Gore in 2000. Part of Gore's failure was his attempt to distance himself from Clinton in the first place, turning off many of the party faithful, and suppressing his own turn-out. And he still DID win the popular vote. Maybe if HE'D used a 50 state strategy,...
 

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If I had to vote for a Democrat for President, I'd go with Obama. I don't go along with him 100%, but I don't go along with all of the things the Republicans are doing either. I've read his book and was very impressed, and have liked what I've seen so far. It would be nice to have someone who seems a "normal" person in office for a change. I think that he'd appeal to a more mainstream audience--not too liberal and not whacked out ultra-religious theocratically right wing. (yeah, I know it's odd that as a Christian I'm saying that, so give me some slack...I actually can use my brain.)
 

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Giuliani has the benefit of being somewhat of a libertarian....fiscally conservative and socially liberal and someone that can speak honestly and connect with the electorate.

John McCain has a decent chance, although he has some issues that will be used against him. Again, a man that can speak honestly and connect....one may not always agree with his positions, but still support him based upon character and leadership qualities.

Finally, Barack Obama....the more I read of this man the more it becomes apparent that he too has the ability to speak to and connect with the populace. Regardless of politics, that ability has been what has been so sorely lacking for so long in American politics.

The current administration has taken a fity percent plus one approach to governing, which by its very nature is polarizing. Although there were many aspects of President Clinton's administration I did not care for (class warfare and hypocrisy come to mind), he strove to achieve an approval rating of two thirds of the electorate. Same with Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford who held a philosophy of a big tent that can accomodate people that do not necessarily agree on all issues.

Incidentally, although my opinion of Mrs. Clinton has risen over the past few years as she has done a credible job as senator, polls consistently show that she loses in any pairing against likely republican opponents for the presidency. She can win the primaries, but not the general.

One of the problems of our current primary system is the fact that the extremes of each party seem to hold sway over who gets the party's nod. For this reason, Giuliani is unlikely to get the nomination on the republican side.

One final comment regarding both Clinton and Bush: why is it in a country of almost 300 million people do we feel that we need to engage in dynastic politics? As far as I am concerned, there is no reason to elect a Clinton, Bush, or Kennedy based upon their daddy or spouse. Nothing underscores this more than our current fearless (and feckless) leader.
 

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(understanding that this carries very little significance,lol)
9", After reading this thread (somehow I missed it earlier) I am liking you more and more.

I don't want to have an affiliation with either of the major parties right now. Politics have become so corrupted on both sides, it's pathetic. At this point, there is nobody running that I am excited about voting for.
 

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I'm leaning strongly toward Obama right now. While I think Hilary would actually do better at the job, with her expereince in government, Obama has a better chance of getting elected and his lack of political affiliations would be refreshing. He is articulate, intelligent, and seems to still give a fuck, which is something I lost a while ago. Personally, I think it would do our country a great deal of good to have someone like that at the helm.

I really liked the suggestion of Obama/Powell- they'd be tough to beat.
If we could get ol' Bill as sec'y of state, I'd be willing to believe in God!
 

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I'm leaning strongly toward Obama right now. While I think Hilary would actually do better at the job, with her expereince in government, Obama has a better chance of getting elected and his lack of political affiliations would be refreshing. He is articulate, intelligent, and seems to still give a fuck, which is something I lost a while ago. Personally, I think it would do our country a great deal of good to have someone like that at the helm.

I really liked the suggestion of Obama/Powell- they'd be tough to beat.
If we could get ol' Bill as sec'y of state, I'd be willing to believe in God!
I have been a Republican all my life. I am so fed up with them in the congress and senate. Mabye i wont vote at all next time. I like Obama too. We should have a black president.:cool:
 

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Does anyone think Obama is too young and/or inexperienced? If most other older voters think as I do, he won't have a chance. I think he's appealing but there's not enough experience.
 

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Giuliani has the benefit of being somewhat of a libertarian....fiscally conservative and socially liberal

There's nothing libertarian about G. When viewed from some angles, he'd pass as a current liberal. Not, say, a 1960 liberal, but a modern one. On the two great intractables of American politics - abortion policy and gun control - G is indistinguishable from the shrillest of leftoids. These issues are not just important to party extremists. When it comes down to it, the Repubs can't afford to nominate him.

Finally, Barack Obama....the more I read of this man the more it becomes apparent that he too has the ability to speak to and connect with the populace.

Sounds like you're longing for a convincing master of propaganda. That's all that a good speaker will get you. Speaking skills have little to do with personal qualities, nor with leadership or executive abilities. They're certainly good for show, though. But it doesn't matter. I don't believe the Dems will actually nominate Obama, although they'll talk up a storm about him.
 

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We should have a black president.:cool:

I'll bet you don't consider yourself a racist, either.

Being black is not a qualification for president. I don't want a black president. I don't want an African-American president. I want an American president, period. Should he happen to be black, fine. If I think he's the best man available for the job, he'll get my vote. Should he be female, ditto - if she's the best man for the job, she'll get my vote. (No, this is not some bizarro universe in which HRC is the best man for the job - she stank as president last time around, she doesn't deserve a second chance.)

It still amazes me that some Americans think otherwise ... like there's "good" racism and "bad" racism, and they're all for "good" racism. Well, screw that. It's still racism.

As for Obama? He's a n00b. If anyone still remembers him in, say, twelve years, maybe I'd consider him. (President Teddy R was three years younger, but he'd been a state governor already, and he moved into the Oval Office after McKinley's assassination, not after the 1900 election.)
 

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Being black is not a qualification for president. I don't want a black president. I don't want an African-American president. I want an American president, period. Should he happen to be black, fine. If I think he's the best man available for the job, he'll get my vote. Should he be female, ditto - if she's the best man for the job, she'll get my vote. (No, this is not some bizarro universe in which HRC is the best man for the job - she stank as president last time around, she doesn't deserve a second chance.)

It still amazes me that some Americans think otherwise ... like there's "good" racism and "bad" racism, and they're all for "good" racism. Well, screw that. It's still racism.

As for Obama? He's a n00b. If anyone still remembers him in, say, twelve years, maybe I'd consider him. (President Teddy R was three years younger, but he'd been a state governor already, and he moved into the Oval Office after McKinley's assassination, not after the 1900 election.)[/quote]Now im not a racist. I think your comment was uncalled for. I think the dribble in your name stands for the shit that comes out of your mouth . My girlfriend who is black didnt like your comment either. She says your a right wing nazi. Its time for a black or woman president. End of story.