To the Authors of LPSG...(Please Read)

Discussion in 'Fictitious Stories' started by jakethesnake, Aug 17, 2008.

  1. jakethesnake

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    I've finally decided to speak my mind. I'm sure some will agree and some wont. I've been reading stories on here for a while now and most of you have a great talent to write. But what seems to happen more often then not is you begin posting a story and then stop. A lot of times in the posts too, you'll even say I have more chapters written and ready to post, but am waiting for a certain time or more responses or whatever to post the next part. I guess my concern is just the fact that then the stories wind up never being read, especially if you already have a certain number of installments or the entire story written. Why not just post it all? Or upload it to some sort of file sharing site and leave the readers with a link to it. If you're worried about the whole copied and paste deal or whatever it is that would take care of it. Post a few sections as a preview more or less and then if the readers like it, they'll download the whole story in Word Format or whatever it may be. I don't think I'm alone here and I understand people have lives outside of the site. But I'd hope you'd understand too and stop the teasing and build up, we have enough of that on television. The process of reading the story itself should be the build up, not the waiting period between posts.

    This isn't aimed at anyone specifically, just at anyone who's stopped posting a story they've already written or have more parts for, yet decide to post 1 at a time over weeks or even months. I understand that some of the authors might be writing new installments weekly or whatever, but often that's not the case. To the authors who have multiple chapters or a whole story, please whatever you have just post it at once not over weeks is all I'm saying.

    In conclusion, I encourage you all to please keep writing and posting.

    ~Jake
     
  2. Principessa

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    Well stated, I agree! :cool: If the story is complete then post the whole damn story! This nonsense about waiting to see people's responses is just that. It's the literary equivalent of posting pics in the Show Off section, then PM'g everyone you know to comment on your pics. Not Cool. :mad:
     
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    lol yea, i remeber another site like this i used to be a member on, there was this woman who would forward a letter to her whole friend list, like 200-300+ people, everytime she uploaded 1-2 pics telling eveyroen to go look and rate them, same thing, they wont post more because they want to know you liketheir work,
     
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    Agreed. and I must say it's a shame that there are so many stories in this thread that go unfinished. They start off, and then the updates just stop coming. and it always seems to be the best stories.
     
  5. catman

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    I have to agree as well, I prefer the stories on 'nifty' as 'DIR" means more than a 'one shot' (I also like the 'authors' section so if you find a write you REALLY like,you can read more (in some cases MUCH more)....

    (Nifty Erotic Stories Archive Mirror Website Roulette)
     
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    Agreed!! Very frustrating!!
     
  7. Principessa

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    I like www.literotica.com the stories are always posted in their entirety. Plus they are sorted by subject/kink and are posted in an easy to read format.
     
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    Hi Jakethesnake,

    I've tried to answer your query in my story thread as best I can. However you do make a good point. It is really annoying when authors stop writing stories halfway through leaving them unfinished.

    I'm the guilty party that has stockpiled a few few chapters but I've only done that so I can keep posting one chapter a week while I'm busy at work with other stuff. If I did have all my chapters finished then I probably would post the whole thing. Anyway I don't want to repeat the points I've made elsewhere but I'd just thought I'd post this here to let you know that in many ways I agree with your argument.

    Best wishes

    Charlotte
     
  10. D_Thoraxis_Biggulp

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    From a writer's standpoint, they may not have the entire set finished, but rather be posting each chapter or installment as it's finished. Stephen King doesn't stockpile novels and release one whenever his bank account dips below five figures. If there's no response, there's not much of a reason to finish it, especially for the veteran writers. Though for the new writers, you have to earn the attention.
     
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    I agree with what stapledshut says in terms of the fact that while I enjoy writing I do find it a bit of a struggle. I couldn't write a long work that might take me a year or so as I'd keep worrying that no one would enjoy it. By posting a chapter a week I know that someone is enjoying/reading it so I should keep going.

    Often as well readers ask useful queries or point out where I've gone wrong so I can get it back on track without too much difficulty.
     
  12. ManlyBanisters

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    From ChicagoSam to JakeTheSnake:

    I am writing In response to your concern about story continuity. I can understand the frustration from a readers point of view in being ”edged” without a conclusion to the story “at hand” so to speak. :wink: From a writers standpoint and my personal perception, there has always been an understood LPSG protocol that a story was to be started in installments to see what sort of response the story would get before continuing to post further installments.

    While I had written stories just for the fun of it, I never posted any until a number of people who had read them suggested that I post them. Posting a story at LPSG, or any site for that matter, can be an unnerving experience. The story will either be accepted or rejected often with unkind comments. Prior to some cosmetic changes at LPSG in the last year, all my stories had five star ratings. I am not sure why those ratings were removed. I did receive one nasty comment concerning the Summer Stories. Consider the source.

    I think LegalEagle and StapledShut have offered appropriate reasons for and against continuing a story. I will also add that writing is hard work and is very time consuming. In my case, I was banned, lost interest, and stopped writing. The remaining installments of the Summer Stories , that I still had in my files, I had others post for me so that everything in that series would be complete.

    Summer Stories
    I have previously written about how these stories came about. The only story that exists to be posted, I have withheld—it is the real story of “Dan” and “Jack Hoff.” For the record, “Dan” was originally named “Sam” and is loosely based on me, but it is not autobiographical. Prior to posting this set of stories at LPSG, I would send them out with my name and the recipient’s name included. FortiesFun, the dean of LPSG writers (Birthday Surprise, (Gay themed)), felt that the personalization of a story made it more appealing. When I decided to post at LPSG, I removed all the original names and details that might identify the original recipient.

    A Weekend In Chicago
    I did plan to continue this but the partner stories—as they exist—are complete. This story is based on a real world class competetive swimmer and was written at his request. It is one of my favorites and should be continued. “Zack” was originally “Sam,” and “David’s” identity will never be revealed.

    A Layover At O'Hare
    This story I never planned to continue. Again, it was a request from a pilot that I met online. Once again, “Zack” was originally “Sam.” (I must have been in a Zack phase.)

    Tacked onto this story( http://www.lpsg.org/792124-post28.html ) is one that I was having great fun writing—The Naughty Erotic Detective Adventures of Chicagosam, Private and highly available Dick for Hire, and his lovely assistant, the delicious and incredibly stacked, BigBoobs. I am “Sam,” “Bigboobs” really exists—an absolutely delightful lady, and the whole thing was to be a serial spoof of 1940’s film noire detectives with “Sam” as a far-less-than-brilliant “himbo” and Bigboobs being the brains of the operation. Perhaps if I had posted the story on its own, it might have gotten more response.

    Awake—Part 2 (in collaboration with Hungschlong)
    Hungshlong for some reason liked my stories and so he challenged me to write a response to his story. No continuation was planned.

    LPSG Post-whore terrorist on the run!
    I suppose this should also go into the list of my online writings as I was a significant contributor to this after my departure from LPSG. :lol:


    I hope this personal response to your request sheds some light from a writers point of view. For many of us, writing is something fun that we do on the side. It is not a profession. I suspect stories do not continue because of lack of response from the membership. In fairness, I would also suspect that many do not want to respond publicly to erotica and may find it more comfortable to respond via PM. Unfortunately, I cannot be accessed that way anymore. If you want more from me, you will have to post a request.

    Thanks for addressing this issue, Jake.

    ChicagoSam
    http://www.lpsg.org/members/chicagosam.html
     
  13. MrDuuude69

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    "if you already have a certain number of installments or the entire story written. Why not just post it all?"

    There's also the idea of building interest. If you end a chapter with a cliffhanger and wait to post the next chapter, the reader will usually be more excited by the story and eagerly await the next installment. It gets the reader hooked.

    I do whole heartedly agree about not finishing stories. Very frustrating!!
     
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    Hi folks.

    I understand the frustration of Jakethesnake and others. I too have exprienced a sense of frustration at an unfinished story. However, I have also been one of the guilty ones to start a story and not 'finish' the job.

    So, as someone who has both been frustrated by unfinished stories and as someone who has posted stories without the 'money shot' ... let me share my thoughts.

    I really like writing erotic fiction; I just don't get a lot of time to do it.

    I spend time thinking about my stories and trying to develop the dialogue and the characters. I don't just post a stream for consciousness... I give my stories lots of thought. Having said that, I sometimes post stories that are 'incomplete'... That is usually because I have hit a wall and need to get some feedback to help me move the story to the next level.

    Of course I get off on having positive feedback like "keep it cumming"... "more please" and "write more"... But what I really like is a couple of paragraphs of feedback on the characters, what people like to see in the plot twists and more thoughtful suggestions for where to go next in the story.

    I genuinely welcome the help of LPSG readers to develop my thinking.

    If I have a story that is incomplete it is because I haven't had time to fiinish... or I haven't been inspired to finish. I do not hold back chapters ... when my work is complete I post it...

    I do not post my stories on any other site I only write for LPSG... why?

    Because I can get feedback as I write. I don't think that you get can feedback from Nifty or from Literotica as you develop your story. This is the wonderful thing about LPSG. I think of LPSG as a community not a billboard. We need to work to keep it a community.

    The feedback is part of what I enjoy about writing erotica on LPSG.

    If I just wanted to post stories I would do it on those other sites. When I post here I'm actually hoping for thoughtful feedback from fellow members of LPSG... either through quick replys or through private messages.

    Call me weird, but I like the exchange of views and opinions through LPSG. After all, where else on the web can you create a dialogue about erotic fiction?

    I do not 'hold back' sections of my stories. I genuinely pay attention and try to respond to the feedback I receive. Indeed I have created some characters based on people I have met in LPSG and plot ideas I have received from fellow members of LPSG.

    The feedback inspires me to write more. So I guess what I'm saying is that if you want straight porn stories go to Literotica and Nifty. If you actually want to contibute to the creative process and help the writer get inspired to try new things and develop new ideas then contribute to the dialogue in LPSG.

    Hope this contributes to the dialogue. I'd be interested in other people's thoughts.

    JJ
     
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    Amen.
     
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    I have just started to read a story on here and over 2 weeks this guy has given 8 installments, now i would be disappointed if he all of a sudden stops, hell i was even a bit naffed off that i had got to the end of what he has written and left wanting more but if he had posted it all at once, i wouldn't have even read it, i am just not a reading type of guy, with the breaks between his posts and comments from other people just got me going back to read more and more, also the fact that he is a really good story teller, each installment had something good in, which built up excitement and then just left you from times being teased until the next installment and i don't believe that would be the case if it had been posted all at once.
     
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    I would have to say input from the readers is the impetus to keep
    writing. Comments and suggestions fuel the effort, and so long as the
    material I write seems appropriate for LPSG, I would think of adding
    more chapters or sections until a story is finished.
    However, I get "shot down" when I see the only one replying to my
    posts is yours truly.

    A low number of "hits" to a story sandwiched between other
    authors' submissions with astronomical "hits" is a real ego killer.
    Add to this the above remark about how only the author ammends
    his own story and that's enough to make me give up. Z.:frown1:
     
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    I've only come to LPSG recently and saw it had a 'Ficticious Stories' thread.
    I'm a regular reader of Nifty, but avoid like the plague any story title with a number after it, because they are seldom finished, or, even worse, just go on and on, with no end, like a soap opera.
    So few of them are well-written, anyway.

    I thought that the authors wanted feedback, and was pleasantly surprised when one of the 'serial' authors here on LPSG sent me a PM, so I PM'd back and really considered what I had to say, and thought I was being constructive!
    But I didn't receive a reply. :frown1:

    One thing I will say.
    All cliff-hangers should be resolved in the opening of the following instalment.
    I thought that was one of the golden rules from a format that dates back to the silent days of cinema.

    The good thing about Nifty is that you can go back to the older 'part-works' and see if they were finished.

    However, I still concentrate on short stories which are complete in one posting.
     
  19. marleyisalegend

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    I've continued working on my big story (and several smaller ones). I think a few things come into play

    -Lack of response. When you see 900 views and only 3 responses, part of you thinks "897 people obviously didn't like what they read." Some of the longer stories take 10, 15 minutes to read PER CHAPTER. If someone liked what they read for 15 minutes, surely they wouldn't mind taking 10 seconds to post a response.

    -Re-writes. I know FEW people who write that are ever satisfied with their work. I've reformatted my story several times and I wouldn't want to confuse people by continually going back and forth from chapter 1 to chapter 2 to chapter 3 to chapter 1 to chapter 4 to chapter 5 to chapter 1 to chapter 6, etc etc..

    I can't speak for anyone else but I just didn't think anyone was really into my story except 1 or 2 people. Part of the reason I kept doing re-writes was the high views and low responses which made me think "I must be doing something wrong".

    When people actually take the time to post their work, you can't expect them to continue if all you do is lurk without giving them any feedback. If you enjoy it they need to know so they feel compelled to continue posting, if it's bad they need to know what to fix (to a reasonable extent).

    Looking back, even though I've changed the format of mine, I'm glad I posted a few excerpts cuz I did get some good advice from a few members.
     
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    ..plus when you post a new intstalment your story zooms to the top of the list and picks up new readers. Writers are only human so they want to get as many people hooked as possible before the money shot.
     
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