Tongkat ali - makes your dick grow!

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  1. dongalong

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    This wasn't posted in the "making it bigger" section because it isn't the primary purpose of taking tongkat ali - it is more like a natural Viagra alternative.

    Tongkat ali is a root which grows in southern asia which stimulates the leydig cells to produce more of of your own testosterone, it is used by body builders and has a big effect on sexual desire and performance.

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    Does anyone here take tongkat ali?

    How much do you take and what strength?

    What effect does it have on you?

    Any bad side effects?
     
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    I always learnt in college that if you have too much testosterone in your system, your body converts it/or produces oestrogen (the female hormone). Meaning you can decrease some male sex features and enhance some female sex features. Ever heard about body builders having tiny balls? Some even get man boobs, loose pubic hair and their voices become higher pitched! I do believe this is all reversable once the testosterone level is corrected, for whatever reason, i.e. stopping the steriods etc. Now I dont have concrete evidence of this at present, but a simple search on a web engine should come up with something along those lines. I say leave the stuff alone and be happy with yourself as you are. You may well regret it. BTW this is my first post :)
     
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    The advantage of tongkat ali is that it increases your own testosterone production by stimulating the Leydig cells in your testicles.
    The levels of testosterone can reach the level of teenage boys during puberty.
    Normally it is taken cyclically to avoid losing the stimulating effect.

    The Leydig cells will reduce natural testosterone release if testosterone suppliments are taken which can lead to the risks that you mention Deanpjgardner.
     
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    I suppliment my workouts with cycles of testosterone,and I have noticed no gains, or losses in length or girth.

    Testosterone has nothing to do with penis size, after maturity is reached.

    just my opinion, Im not a doctor. :)

    DJG
     
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    For those of you who would like to know more about this root's sexual powers -

    TONGKAT ALI - DOSAGE INFORMATION


    For tongkat ali 1:50 extract, the standard dosage for men is 1.6 gram (1600 mg) to 3.2 gram (3200 mg) per day. Weight lifting athletes may go to twice or even four times that dosage.

    For tongkat ali 1:200 extract, the standard dosage for men is 1200 mg per day. Weight lifting athletes take up to 2.4 gram (2400 mg) per day.

    First-day dosages should just be one quarter of standard dosages, and second-day dosages should be one half of standard dosages.

    Dosages for women are half of the dosages for men.

    For optimal results, tongkat ali should be cycled. It is also important to follow the dietary
    recommendations given below. If the dietary recommendations are not observed, tongkat ali may have no effect. Certain plant foods absorb tongkat ali’s effectiveness and should therefore be avoided.

    TONGKAT ALI CYCLES

    Tongkat ali should be cycled. This means that one takes it for some time, and then, for a shorter period of time, one goes without it. A standard cycle schedule would be 2 to 4 weeks on, 1 to 2 weeks off.
    Optimal on-cycle length varies among users (1 week to 1 month).

    Most users will experience a rising phase during which tongkat ali’s effects build up. This means that for many users, there will be little effect on the first day or the first few days of a cycle. One then reaches a high phase during which tongkat ali exerts its effect. This phase can last anywhere from a few days to a few weeks. After that (still during tongkat ali use) one will enter a falling phase, caused by the body adjusting to the tongkat ali through hormonal negative feedback systems.

    This is a normal occurrence with anybody’s endocrine system. If hormonal balances are influenced through exogenous measures, the body will aim to return to genetically determined age-related set points (even if these set points are not optimal for health, and certainly not optimal for sexual conduct). Because tongkat ali itself is not testosterone, there is a considerable delay for negative feedback mechanisms, and thus, one can induce higher testosterone levels without the negative effects of steroid use, such as testicular and penile shrinkage (and libido impairment).

    However, as the body has many ways to regulate hormone levels, there is a point when raised testosterone levels will start to drop. It is best to then go into an off-cycle (no tongkat ali usage) right away.
    Off-cycles typically should be about half as long as on-cycles. Thus, if one takes tongkat ali for 2 weeks, the off-cycle should be about 1 week in length. On-cycles can vary between 1 week and 1 month, and off-cycles should always be about half as long as on-cycles.

    DIETARY GUIDELINES

    On-cycles and off-cycles should be accompanied by different nutritional strategies. In order to support testosterone synthesis, an on-cycle diet should be protein-rich: plenty of meet, processed meat like ham, salami, bacon, pastrami, as well as sausages, eggs, cheese (up to 500 gram per day are supportive), milk (land-animal foods).

    Fish and seafood should be avoided during on-cycles because it can lead to allergic reactions in combination with tongkat ali.

    If tongkat ali is used for pro-sexual effects, it is recommended NOT to consume carbs-rich foods during a tongkat ali on-cycle (no bread, no rice, no pasta, no potatoes, no sweets).

    Those who cannot go without carbs on on-cycle days can add nuts. The advantage of nuts over other snack food is that they will counteract the constipation caused by a meat-cheese-eggs diet. If you cannot go without sweets, chocolate is a choice on on-cycle days without
    intended sex.

    The constitutive component of chocolate that does not go well with tongkat ali is theobromine. Theobromine interferes with erections to a degree that varies from
    person to person, but it is never a positive contribution. However, theobromine usually clears from the body within 12 to 14 hours, and this is for how long its interference with tongkat ali lasts. Tea and coffee should also be avoided.

    However, if one uses tongkat ali EXCLUSIVELY for bodybuilding (as opposed to pro-sexual parameters), carbs are a necessary part of the diet plan. In that case, the carbs (best will be nuts) should be eaten once a day, approximately 1 hour before training. The tongkat ali should be used after the training session, and again at the hour most distant from the training
    session.

    Broccoli, cauliflower, soy-based foods, and garlic will be disruptive. One should therefore NOT consume broccoli, cauliflower, soy-based foods, and garlic during on-cycles (even those using tongkat ali for weight-lifting should avoid these vegetables). Because
    there are other, less severe interferences with tongkat ali, from other vegetables and fruits, it is best to keep consumption of all fruits and vegetables rather low during on-cycles.

    In order to avoid overall nutritional imbalances, the off-cycle diet should be different (or even exactly the opposite) from the on-cycle diet. During off-cycles, one’s diet should emphasize vegetables and fruit, with as little meat, cheese, and eggs as possible. Protein during off-cycles should come mainly from fish. Broccoli, cauliflower, and soy-based foods, as well as garlic, are good dietary choices for off-cycles. Furthermore, during off-cycles, whole-grain breads are well suited to prepare the body for the next on-cycle.

    Once one is ready to again use the tongkat ali, one should stop eating whole-grain foods as well as vegetables, and switch back to a diet strong on meat, cheese, and eggs.

    DRUG AND FOOD INTERACTIONS

    If you take tongkat ali extract for its pro-libido properties, you should not combine it with saw
    palmetto or pygeum, or the pharmaceutical finasteride (Proscar). All three block dihydrotestosterone. The enzymatic conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone is necessary to achieve tongkat ali’s libido support.


    Also avoid large quantities of soy products, as they contain phytoestrogens that will interfere with testosterone binding sites. It is also best to not combine tongkat ali with garlic. Furthermore, Broccoli and cauliflower, as well as other cabbage-derived vegetables, dampen the testosterone-raising effect of tongkat ali.

    If taken for pro-sexual purposes, one has to be aware that tongkat ali works mostly on libido, not on erectile function. For this reason, if you are above 45 and take tongkat ali for its libido-enhancing properties, you may want to combine it with about 50 mg of Viagra (preferred) or 10 mg of Cialis.

    For a combination of tongkat ali extract with Viagra, the following usage schedule works best. Some three to four hours before expected sexual intercourse, take 1.2 to 2.4 grams of 1:50 extract with a full meal that contains a good amount of meat and no carbohydrates.
    For one to two hours after this meal, your testosterone levels will be below average (large
    amounts of food suppress testosterone). Your testosterone will see a natural rebound some two hours after the meal. This is when the tongkat ali extract will also start to kick in, raising your testosterone above your genetic baseline.

    It is then best not to eat again until AFTER sexual intercourse. Eating again before sexual intercourse may cause the effect of the tongkat ali to diminish. About 1 hour before expected intercourse, you can add the Viagra.

    Please be aware that the combination of tongkat ali extract with Viagra may cause a very noticeable histamine reaction. Facial flushing and a stuffed nose are typical indications of a histamine reaction. These are indications that sexual intercourse will likely be more exciting and satisfying than normal.
     
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    TONGKAT ALI SIDE EFFECTS

    Side effects are not much of a concern with tongkat ali, especially in those who have taken it for some time. Nevertheless, if your health isn’t optimal, you may want to use less than the standard dosage for a few days, and then increase slowly.

    Furthermore, older people will usually have a stronger effect from tongkat ali (as their testosterone levels will already have declined), and side effects are more likely in older users.

    Initial side effects could be facial flushing, headache, and testicular pressure. Regardless of your age, these side effects will subside after a few days.

    Penile and testicular hypertrophy (increased size) can be a long term side effect, especially with the use of very large dosages, and in those who use tongkat ali at a younger age. This effect can be traced back to the fact that increased testosterone secretion by testicular Leydig cells induces growth of surrounding tissue. (Penile and testicular size increases during puberty, too, are caused by the activation of testicular Leydig cells and the subsequent increased testosterone secretion by these cells; tongkat ali follows the same pathway). Like size increases during puberty, those caused by persistent use of large tongkat ali dosages do not reverse.

    AGGRESSIVENESS

    The tongkat ali will likely cause you to get carried away much more intensively during intercourse than you would without it. Sex will likely be more aggressive than usual.

    In order to get the best (and the best sex) out of tongkat ali, it is important to accept the
    aggressiveness caused by tongkat ali as a component of increased libido.

    Stop taking the tongkat ali when it starts causing strange sexual desires. Please be aware that strange sexual desires are a potentiation of normal sexual desires, and that virtually anyone can develop aberrant sexual inclinations when testosterone levels are sufficiently raised.

    TONGKAT ALI FOR WOMEN

    By and large, tongkat ali has the same effect on women as it does on men.

    In
    Southeast Asia, women take tongkat ali to support fertility as well as libido. Most commonly it is used by those who take hormone-based contraceptives (the pill). Indonesian women typically have 2 complaints about contraceptive pills: that they make them fat, and that they interfere with sexual pleasure. Many of them believe that tongkat ali keeps them both slim and
    interested in sex (tongkat ali will not override the contraceptive effect of pills, though).

    The dosage recommendation for women is to take about half as much as men.

    While tongkat ali can raise libido in women dramatically, there is no use of it as a date rape
    drug. Because of its extremely bitter taste, it cannot be mixed secretly into drinks.

    MEASURING QUANTITIES

    If you obtained our loose extract powder in pouches and want to measure exact quantities, you will need a scale. If you want to order a cheap but exact scale, you can do so through the website www.saveonscales.com. There are other sites with equal or even better offers.

    On the other hand, whether your dosage is 0.8 gram or 1 gram or 1.2 gram of our
    1:50 extract, or a 0.6 gram or 0.9 gram of our 1:200 extract, does not make a difference in principle. It’s not that 1 gram of 1:50 extract would be an efficient dosage, and 0.8 gram not.

    It’s just like with coffee or tea. People do not use a scale to measure 3 gram per cup, but just take approximate amounts, based on their experience. In the case of tongkat ali, it’s a tip of a teaspoon.

    Of course, not all teaspoons are the same size. If we use our own standard kitchen teaspoons, a heaped teaspoon is about 7 gram (too large a dose). A levelled teaspoon is about 2 gram, so slightly less than a leveled teaspoon would be a single standard dose.

     
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    what is the real name of this drug?

    tongkat ali sounds like a weapon

    I'm sure it's not called this in "asia" (big place)
     
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    It is commonly known as tongkat ali in Malaysia and Singapore, Tung Saw in Thailand, and Pasak Bumi in Indonesia, but its latin name is Eurycoma longifolia. It is the root of the tree which is used so it isn't classed as a drug!
     
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    Snake oil is snake oil in any language and wrapping it up in spurious scientific or emperical testimonials is an old game. Herbal remedies are cheap to produce yet cost nearly the same as thoroughly tested and approved therapuetic medications. Submit your quack remedies to rigorous testing and maybe you will have some legitamcy. And just in case you think I am being heavy handed please remember in Asia they hold great belief in tiger penis, human fetus, rhino horn and probably more horrendous things.
     
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    I suggest you do a bit of research, Seargent_Torpedo, before dismissing tongkat ali as snake oil, it is currently being analysed by many scientific establishments around the world because of its many surprising properties.

    It has been used for centuries so if it didn't have any benefit, you would have thought that they'd know by now.:rolleyes:
     
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    Please be kind enough to help us out here, dongalong, and let us know when you reach the 1 foot mark from tongkat ali use.

    May I remind you that rhinos and elephants are still being slaughtered (as they have been for centuries) by poachers simply because their tusks have 'medicinal' properties?

    If you want to confirm that modern man is still gullible (as they have been for centuries) just check your e-mail for all those Get A Bigger Penis Now come-ons, of which your current interest may be included.
     
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    My open mind may be seen by some as being gullible, however after hearing about it on this site (in the making it bigger section), several months ago, I decided to do my research on tongkat ali.

    It is a very slow growing tree, and not very abundant so prices for the supplements are very high. In PE and bodybuilding forums, I checked what regular users think of it before making my decision to try it, there were many comments about the radical positive effects it had on them.

    My primary goal is muscle development and fat loss which increased testosterone can help but growing a foot long penis might be a welcome side effect!:wink:

    I will let you know what happens. After 4 days use I have noticed harder erections and a mind blowing orgasm but the effects are supposed to build up further.
     
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    Let us know if you see any size gains... after using it for a month or such.
     
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    I promise to post pics of my cock when I get to 10" - it will probably take over a year though!:cool:
    I am not relying on the herb alone for growth but using it as a supplement to manual stretching, jelqing and extender wearing. I will know that it helps if results come faster than my usual 2.5mm per month.
     
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    I find stuff like this amusing. People will simultaneously follow the stereotype that Asian men are typically less endowed alongside taking an Asian origin of an herbal size enhancement as a vouch for legitimacy.
     
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    I have just finished my 2 bottles of Tongkat ali and would like to share my experiences with you.

    I bought 2 bottles of 100, 400mg capsules of 1:50 extract from UD. Sumatra Pasak Bumi.

    I followed the guidelines at first then experimented with my diet and dosage.
    I followed a 2 weeks on, 1 week off cycle.

    Week 1 - took 4 capsules, 4 times per day, and kept to a strict meat only diet. Didn't drink any Coffee, only green tea.
    The effects I noticed were:
    - enhanced concentration
    - more confidence

    I wasn't getting the full effects so I increased the dose during the second week to 2400mg (6 pills)
    - recovery and muscle growth seemed to be very fast (judging by my journey to work by bicycle)
    - no afternoon fatigue

    I still wasn't getting the full effects so I started taking 3200mg (8 pills) per day which is recommended only for bodybuilders:
    - My balls began to throb more noticably
    - Became more interested in ALL women passers by and imagining fucking them,

    I still didn't get the big libido boost however so I changed my diet - instead of the meat only diet (which I was sick of ) I added a few carbohydrates.
    This really helped since I needed the extra energy for cycling to work. Not only did I feel much more alert during the day and stronger on my bike, I finally got the full libido boost, erections from anything that turned me on - usually at least 15 erections per day!!!
    The erections were rock hard and would last for hours, if I wanted!
    The best effects are the mind blowing orgasms! WOW!

    I have been doing PE since I started, however no miracle growth spurts. I have grown about 4mm in length which is my standard length gain for a 2 month period. the first month was only stretching exercises but I added jelquing ans squeezes to my routine during the last week which seems more suited to the effects of TA, my girth seems to be thicker.

    I won't be buying some more for a few months because I have more important priorities but when I can afford it I will certainly buy some more,

    Tongkat ali is very potent, it isn't an alternative to viagra since it works at a hormonal level and not directly on the penis plumbing. I have tried penis enlargement pills, they may help with the circulation but they really don't have a noticable effect like TA.

    I started taking OO-long tea to help control my cholesterol levels a week ago and I am wondering if this also helps achieve the full effects, it's hard to say.
     
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    It sounds like you took some pills that made you horny and made you cum harder because you are horny.
     
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    This is one of the funniest threads I've read in a while.
     
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    I took Tongkat Ali along with several other supplements in hopes that my dick would get bigger, truth be told, it did get about half an inch bigger, weither that was the Tongkat or just natural growth, I don't know.

    I also did workouts and yeah, got a lot more results much quicker. However, I also got lots of zits, and didn't feel so good all the time. The worst part however, was the roid rage like effects. I got very angry very easily, so much so that I stopped taking it, and it stopped.

    Also, like he said above... My balls got really big and I could cum 2-3 times before losing an erection.
     
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