Trayvon Martin and the Disconnect Between the Right & Left

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You're actually smart, and not just an ideologue...so I know that you'll understand when I say that I do not condone his actions. I think he was entirely in the wrong. But, y'gotta prove it, legally, otherwise it's just a witch hunt. Due process, and all. And, notice, that I did specify where the police fell down on their end of it.

As for the bitch goddess, Shiva would be my first choice. Namaste.

This is addressed to everyone who keeps talking about proof. Proof happens at a trial. For there ever to be a trial, someone must be arrested and charged. There's no proof involved in arresting and charging someone.
 

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This is addressed to everyone who keeps talking about proof. Proof happens at a trial. For there ever to be a trial, someone must be arrested and charged. There's no proof involved in arresting and charging someone.

And since Trayvon is dead, the only one who can be arrested is Zimmerman which is the point. It will be in Zimmerman's best interest if he would just turn himself in and allow the courts to decide if he is guilty or not since he could be at the other end of vigilante justice at any time if he continues to walk freely.
 
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And then you'll want the vigilantes executing justice on him arrested, charged....right?

Yes, of course. That's what we're saying. That people should be arrested for that.

[Edited out the part that you guys keep injecting into the discussion to distort the issue.]
 

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And then you'll want the vigilantes executing justice on him arrested, charged, and sentenced, right?

That wasn't my point. According to an earlier poster, Zimmerman's property has been vandalized. Who's to say that someone else won't decide to take the law into his/her hands and go after Zimmerman? It would be better and safer for Zimmerman to just turn himself into police custody and let the courts handle it before some crazy person shoots Zimmerman which could lead to a race riot.
 

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That wasn't my point. According to an earlier poster, Zimmerman's property has been vandalized. Who's to say that someone else won't decide to take the law into his/her hands and go after Zimmerman? It would be better and safer for Zimmerman to just turn himself into police custody and let the courts handle it before some crazy person shoots Zimmerman which could lead to a race riot.

George cannot 'turn himself in' if there are no charges filed against him. If what has been said is true, then the authorities know where he is and there has been contact. While people can be angry about what George Zimmerman did, the fact remains that he has not been charged with anything and that at least is NOT his fault. Go after the law makers if you want somebody to blame for George Zimmerman still being free.
 

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Even if police custody were an appropriate place for him, if I were in his position, there is no way I would allow myself to be misportrayed in the media as incriminating myself by "turning myself in." He could then forget any hope of an impartial jury.

If some crazy person decides to re-enact A Time to Kill, then you get your wish about the bitch karma, everyone who was maintaining his innocence gets a martyr by the additional crime, and we can all look forward to Mario Lopez in the made-for-TV movie.
 
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Go after the law makers if you want somebody to blame for George Zimmerman still being free.

Uh, no!

Every single person in this thread (and the others) knows that this situation has only one appropriate response from the authorities: Zimmerman's arrest. That some of you are clutching for reasons to justify the lack of an arrest is transparent vis a vis your inner dialogue.
 

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Uh, no!

Every single person in this thread (and the others) knows that this situation has only one appropriate response from the authorities: Zimmerman's arrest. That some of you are clutching for reasons to justify the lack of an arrest is transparent vis a vis your inner dialogue.

Look, I am not saying that he shouldn't have been arrested, the point was to blazblue who said George should "turn himself in". THAT requires charges being filed against him. Since the laws which have kept him free were written by the lawmakers it is them that the anger should be directed towards. This is not as you put it 'clutching' it is basic law. George Zimmerman did not write the law, he did not vote to put it in place.

Further, 'not every single person' in this thread knows that there is only 1 appropriate response.

Facts are still being leaked from all sides......amazing facts which don't even jibe with the 'facts' we have been fed up until now.
 
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Uh, no!

Every single person in this thread (and the others) knows that this situation has only one appropriate response from the authorities: Zimmerman's arrest. That some of you are clutching for reasons to justify the lack of an arrest is transparent vis a vis your inner dialogue.

Yep!! The only way this will ever be resolved is with Zimmerman's arrest. Otherwise this will never end.
 

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Look, I am not saying that he shouldn't have been arrested, the point was to blazblue who said George should "turn himself in". THAT requires charges being filed against him. Since the laws which have kept him free were written by the lawmakers it is them that the anger should be directed towards. This is not as you put it 'clutching' it is basic law. George Zimmerman did not write the law, he did not vote to put it in place.

Further, 'not every single person' in this thread knows that there is only 1 appropriate response.

Facts are still being leaked from all sides......amazing facts which don't even jibe with the 'facts' we have been fed up until now.

I want the law makers and the NRA to go too so that we can get this law changed so that police can arrest Zimmerman.
 

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We'll see travis. We'll see. All I know is that someway, somehow, justice will be served. Sooner or later.

Justice is often not achieved, point one.
And point two, you don't really know what happened between Martin and Zimmerman ... so even if justice were guaranteed (which it isn't), you don't know, and will never know, what it would look like.
 

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All the StandYourGround talk is irrelevant given Zimmerman clearly PURSUED Martin. It's not "standing your ground" when you are the assailant. Nor is it self-defense. Which is why he should have been (and should be) charged with Murder, Manslaughter and/or various Assaults.
 

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All the StandYourGround talk is irrelevant given Zimmerman clearly PURSUED Martin. It's not "standing your ground" when you are the assailant. Nor is it self-defense. Which is why he should have been (and should be) charged with Murder, Manslaughter and/or various Assaults.
If Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle and, while doing that, was jumped by Martin, then that, imo, could be self-defense.
Martin at that moment would be the assailant.
I'm not saying that happened.
(My hunch is that that isn't what happened, but a hunch is all I have to go on. Not enough in a court of law. Maybe more information will come out.)