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Indeed. But what is 'welfare'?
The 61-year American tradition of guaranteeing cash assistance to the poor came to an end with the signing of legislation in August 1996

Welfare as we knew it no longer exists

The transfer of wealth from those who work to those who don't.

Or, the PC definition by Wiki:

financial assistance paid by taxpayers to people who are unable to support themselves
 
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The transfer of wealth from those who work to those who don't.

Or, the PC definition by Wiki:

financial assistance paid by taxpayers to people who are unable to support themselves

That doesn't exist in the US. What has happened is a vast transfer of wealth from the bottom to the top.

In America, the top one-tenth of one percent of earners make about the same money per year collectively as the millions of Americans in the bottom fifty percent combined.
 
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That doesn't exist in the US. What has happened is a vast transfer of wealth from the bottom to the top.

In America, the top one-tenth of one percent of earners make about the same money per year collectively as the millions of Americans in the bottom fifty percent combined.

Because most Americans in the bottom 50% don't work. Your statistic proves everything. Wealth is being transferred to the bottom 50%, they don't need to work, so why would they?

I could take this into more detail about immigration, but I won't because people will turn this into a race issue and it isn't a race issue.

Either way, you can complain and bitch about a few dozen rich people, yet you won't acknowledge that millions of able-bodied citizens are simply unwilling to work.

Keep on with your movement, Sargon.
 

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Because most Americans in the bottom 50% don't work.

What planet are you on?

Christ. Get off the propaganda plane and come on into Casa Reality.

Is there a school somewhere that teaches people that if they just keep repeating political dogmatic bullshit, that it somehow magically becomes true?

The same school, one must imagine, that instills uncompromising, undying love for a political jersey. Undying....in the face of reason, common sense, self-interest, the preservation of society, the preservation of the earth itself,...etc., etc., etc........

Sigh.
 

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That doesn't exist in the US. What has happened is a vast transfer of wealth from the bottom to the top.

In America, the top one-tenth of one percent of earners make about the same money per year collectively as the millions of Americans in the bottom fifty percent combined.
What wealth did the bottom ever have? There is an old saying that you could take away all the money from the rich and give it to the poor but the rich will always get the money back. The poor are poor because they are unwilling to put out the extra effort to become rich or they take the easy way out and become criminal's etc...
 

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Off topic... but I just heard a good one-
It has recently been learned that the President and Mrs. Bush only make love with Laura Bush on top since George W. Bush can only f**k up. :tongue:
 

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What wealth did the bottom ever have? There is an old saying that you could take away all the money from the rich and give it to the poor but the rich will always get the money back. The poor are poor because they are unwilling to put out the extra effort to become rich or they take the easy way out and become criminal's etc...

Are you rich? McCain says you need 5 million before you are rich. So I can assume you are not in that rarefied level. And the rich love you because you help them stay rich even though you are poor by making sure their 'hard earned' money isn't redistributed.

Now let's see a few months ago the nation's oil bill was about 12 billion more per month than it is now. Where is that money now? Certainly isn't in the pockets of the poor. But of course the rich 'deserve' that money. They worked hard to get it. Just as hard now even though it's 75% less.

The last Gilded Age didn't end well. And it won't end well this time either.
The top 10 percent, roughly those earning more than $100,000, also reached a level of income share not seen since before the Depression.
 
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The last Gilded Age didn't end well. And it won't end well this time either.
The top 10 percent, roughly those earning more than $100,000, also reached a level of income share not seen since before the Depression.

True, but neither did the assorted socialist experiments. As for the kinder, gentler, EU-style market-based economies, they have shown neither resilience to this crisis nor have they succeeded in producing strong economic growth in recent decades.

As for USD 100,000 per annum, that's the median Silicon Valley shop base salary. When your mortgage is USD 4,000 a month, USD 100,000 is very unremarkable and very middle-class in many parts of the country.
 
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And do you honestly believe that an issue as complex as poverty can be analysed in such a childishly simplistic view? :no:
Please explain your view

Are you rich? McCain says you need 5 million before you are rich. So I can assume you are not in that rarefied level. And the rich love you because you help them stay rich even though you are poor by making sure their 'hard earned' money isn't redistributed. And if you were rich would you wan't your "hard earned" redistributed?

Now let's see a few months ago the nation's oil bill was about 12 billion more per month than it is now. Where is that money now? Certainly isn't in the pockets of the poor. But of course the rich 'deserve' that money. They worked hard to get it. Just as hard now even though it's 75% less. So what did they pocket all that money? Honestly if they are guilty of a crime no they don't nor do they deserve it when they can't manage the company they are running. I have said that befor in other posts.

The last Gilded Age didn't end well. And it won't end well this time either.
The top 10 percent, roughly those earning more than $100,000, also reached a level of income share not seen since before the Depression.
Well things did turn around didn't they between then and now.
 
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True, but neither did the assorted socialist experiments. As for the kinder, gentler, EU-style market-based economies, they have shown neither resilience to this crisis nor succeeded in producing strong economic growth in recent decades.

Of course not now. The European banks bought the same toxic mortages securites that US banks bought. And when you have export driven economies and your biggest customer is the US what do you expect to happen? However in an economic downturns you would be much better served to be in Europe with it's social net than the US where you stand a much greater chance of losing your house and for certain lose your health insurance. It's no big secret that life expentancy in the US is way down the list at #23.

As for USD 100,000 per annum, that's the median Silicon Valley shop base salary. When your mortgage is USD 4,000 a month, USD 100,000 is very unremarkable and very middle-class in many parts of the country.

Sorry but a six figure income IS remarkable in the US given per capita income is circa $40,000.

Well things did turn around didn't they between then and now.

Like I said earlier the rich LOVE you.
 
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What planet are you on?

The planet that pays taxes. And those of that planet ought have a voice in how those tax dollars are spent. The constitutional fathers provided that all have an opportunity; not a right to handouts

Christ. Get off the propaganda plane and come on into Casa Reality.
I'm not promoting propoganda. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Gov't programs are killing us. Gov't spending has killed us.

Is there a school somewhere that teaches people that if they just keep repeating political dogmatic bullshit, that it somehow magically becomes true?
Dunno, ask Spinwin, Mindseye, Sargon and Vinyl Boy.

The same school, one must imagine, that instills uncompromising, undying love for a political jersey. Undying....in the face of reason, common sense, self-interest, the preservation of society, the preservation of the earth itself,...etc., etc., etc........

Sigh.
When you peel off the Democratic jersey and facepaint, this statement will carry more weight.
 

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Seriously? Is the apostrophe really this difficult to grasp?

And do you honestly believe that an issue as complex as poverty can be analysed in such a childishly simplistic view?
:no:

Povert'y will not be solved in our life'time's. How'ever, public assistance' in some cases is mis'appropriated and abuse'd.

I's there an easy fix? No. Howeve'r, in lean economic time's like thes'e, thi's is an overhead expense in the federal and stat'e budget's that require's a thorough overhaul.'l.
 
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The good news Star is your planet is shrinking with every election. The cost of cleaning up your 'fiscally conservative' party is going to cost trillions and take a generation to fix if somehow we aren't already over the cliff.
 

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The good news Star is your planet is shrinking with every election. The cost of cleaning up your 'fiscally conservative' party is going to cost trillions and take a generation to fix if somehow we aren't already over the cliff.

Most will be shocked at the shift in political thinking in the near term when the rosey campaign promises don't bloom into fruition as certain proclamations suggested.

The 'fiscally conservative' party you allude to is already re-aligning and within 2 years will likely be as strong and cohesive as ever. The overhaul in the House and Senate in 2010 will be historic and powerful.
 
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Most will be shocked at the shift in political thinking in the near term when the rosey campaign promises don't bloom into fruition as certain proclamations suggested.

The 'fiscally conservative' party you allude to is already re-aligning and within 2 years will likely be as strong and cohesive as ever. The overhaul in the House and Senate in 2010 will be historic and powerful.

Oh pa-leaze. There is no message they could possibly give that people will buy. This election proved you don't need the South to win. And let's face it without the South and the Southern Strategy the GOP is toast. That's why Karl Rove reached out to the Latinos but of course the 'base' wouldn't let them with the push for 'Immigration Reform'. They figured out the 'reform' was meant to keep them out. Why else would John Leguizamo say 'Latins for Republicans - it's like roaches for Raid'

The future is very bleak indeed.

A good book for you:

Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (and StickYou with the Bill) by David Cay Johnston
 
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