Trolls, Frauds, and Liars, oh my

Discussion in 'Et Cetera, Et Cetera' started by D_Martin van Burden, May 10, 2005.

  1. D_Martin van Burden

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    I'm just curious. I know people who have been caught tend to go away when they've been busted, but I figure getting rid of these usernames and accounts might free up a little bit of space around here -- assuming that thought would be noticeable and beneficial to the board. And I know we're all a little irritated with liars and fakes in general.

    What do you think?
     
  2. Steve26

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    Hey Dee -- Good question. I would've voted yes, except I'm pretty sure the phonies would just reappear under another name ... we've seen that happen numerous times with expelled members. Also, while I think identifying a stolen/fake photo can be a fairly straightforward process, I'm not sure how one would define "highly questionable information" when trying to boot someone.

    Do I think what you've suggested is a good idea? Sure. Do I think it'll change anything? Nope. So I voted undecided.

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  3. prepstudinsc

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    If we got rid of all the fakes, trolls and liars around here, we'd only be left with about 10 active members, so I voted "yes".
     
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    No, I don't think Mark should act arbitrarilly, nor does he.

    Each infraction should be judged on an individual basis and action be taken only if and when the character of the board is being jeopardized, that action (if possible) being to hold the perp's feet to the fire until he repents or leaves.

    Spam, on the other hand should be verbotten. Period.
     
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    steve has correctly identified why this idea is sound in principle but useless in application. the kind of folks who get their kicks from pretending to be people they ain't are not gonna give it up after a quick smack on the wrist and a terminated account. they're just gonna keep rearing their ever uglier heads until they drive you nuts. banning will work with a few weirdos, but most will just interpret it as a challenge to their batty online personae, and react accordingly.

    individuals with this problem are seeking attention: whether it's primarily positive or negative attention each one wants is ultimately irrelevant. the only thing you can do that has any chance at all of reducing their numbers is to IGNORE them.

    if someone posts a picture you know is fake, by all means delete it - technically you're just looking out for potential copyright issues, after all - but don't give them the satisfaction of a public response. if someone posts information which is clearly fraudulent, sigh, stick them on ignore, and move on.

    ultimately there is no way to strike a completely happy balance between keeping a forum open to worthwhile new members - which is always necessary if you want it to survive - and keeping it closed against trolls and schizoids. they are not nearly as big a problem on lpsg as they have been on some forums I've used (and sometimes administrated) down the years. as things stand, I think you'll find it more expedient to let them blow their own toes off, than to go after them with a rope yourself.
     
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    I vote to leave things as they are. We can't fix the fact that some are coming on here lying. Mark has taken care of situations when it was obvious that something needed to be done. We haven't had an emergency here that threatened the site that he hasn't moved and moved fast when needed.
     
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    You guys are probably right. Nice idea from a vengeful justice point of view, but probably pointless.

    Deleting pics that the admins are sure are stolen seems pretty cut and dried--wise, even. But who gets to define "highly questionable information," anyway?

    The idealist in me says let the pretenders be and maybe they'll learn from the genuine and honest examples set by other people here. But the idealist in me often gets his ass kicked by the toxic cynic in me, so he's just desperate for attention. :)
     
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    hung_big: I'm pretty sure administrators can block IPs; at least that's how it's been on the boards I've administrated.
     
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    ravenously: I still don't understand the point of lying about your penis size here. If someone has nothing better to do than lie about they're size on the net, then I pitty them. I don't really care to spend my time on LPSG sniffing out trolls and liars. If someone is being a problem here, then yes get rid of them. But, other wise, who cares?
     
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    Many of us here find it fairly easy to spot the bogus claims. Unless one is totally naive, gullible, or delusional, it's generally not hard for either an "owner" or a well-informed "admirer" to differentiate between someone posting from experience and someone posting their outrageous porn-fed fantasies.

    I think some of the phonies are encouraged by members who may lack this particular faculty. Some people are so awed by size that they gush mindlessly over claims that are clearly bogus, a behavior that feeds the liars' desire for attention and elicits further fakery.

    I've often thought, mostly in jest, that we should put up a warning somewhere on the site along the lines of: "Ridiculous claims by trolls, frauds, and liars will immediately be detected as such by honest members. Don't even bother." I'd be willing to bet that knowing that they'll be detected as bogus by a good number of members would be enough to deter at least SOME fakers. If it deters even one, it'd be worth it, in my book.

    Steve
     
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    Maybe it's because I'm still new here and haven't had time to get really annoyed, but the silly "21 by 11!" measurement claims and the "slept with my babysitter when I was five" stories are still kind of amusing to me.

    But I'm sure that won't last. :(
     
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    I think there are more than 10 women on here.
    Ah! I see what you're saying.
     
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    Actually, I think when someone spots a faker, they should just call them out in front of everyone. Public humiliation would work wonders--just like the gallows of old did.

    I've already got my list of fakers being formed and I've already compared notes with two other members of the board. We were all in agreement about their questionable stats, pics, and postings.

    Just wait you frauds...you will be outed.
     
  14. Imported

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    Not a bad idea. As I said I really don't care if someone lies about they're dick, but I am amused when a troll/ liar is called out. Kinda like whatching a car wreak :evilgrin: I would be interested in seeing this "list" ( *In a deep, gravely voice* " They've named, names", lol)
     
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    Imitation IS the most sincere form of flattery, even if it is annoying as hell.
     
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    *SMASH* The car has just wrecked... Just be patient, there are a couple of us who are taking names. LOL
     
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    Oh, now this should be fun!
     
  18. Imported

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    ravenously: Still waiting for the list, the suspence is killing me

    This better not be one of those "Mc Carthy" stunts :grr:
     
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    I put down a Yes, but that's only because I know I'm safe from being deleted myself. I'm not sure who all would be considered for deletion, but anyone deleted would probably be on the less than useful spectrum of board members.

    *Leaves for a trip to the kitchen and a bathroom break. Comes back with some popcorn and waits for prep's list to come out
     
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    Like Steve26, I voted "undecided" because although I agree with the idea of booting obvious fakers in principle, I don't think it's likely to do a lot of good. So from a practical standpoint, I'm not sure it's worth the effort. In general, I think the fakers here are easy to spot. (I started to suggest a few names, but I expect that if each of us created a list of these people, our lists would look a lot alike.) I'm not inclined to believe that people here are obligated to "prove" anything, but at the same time, I don't think that I'm obligated to believe anything people say or, for that matter, believe any pictures they've posted are necessarily of themselves. I trust my intuition to be able to filter these people out myself.

    In the end, I don't think it makes a lot of difference whether fakers are here or not. I think it's like death and taxes, it's a certainty that they will be here. And like crabgrass in your lawn, you can weed, but more will continue to pop up. They can be treated much as the person who dispenses advice on matters he/she knows nothing about. (And we all know people like that too!) Just because they're talking doesn't mean I have to listen to them. If someone really bothers you, "My Controls > Manage Ignored Users" works quite well.

    Mike
     
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