Tropical Storm Gustav

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  1. ital8

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    I don't know if this has been posted or even if anyone has been following the situation, but forecasters say this storm can develop into a major hurricane. It may head towards New Orleans. Does anyone who is living along the Gulf Coast, especially N.O. plan on evacuating? Do you think we will see a repeat of Katrina? From the press conferences I've seen online, it seems like the preparation is taken much more seriously and efficiently than 2005.
     
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    Not going to evacuate. Not worried. Hurricanes are just a part of living on the gulf coast.
     
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    We're not panicking at all on the Florida Gulf Coast yet.
     
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    Not panicking here in Texas where Rita hit, and Gustav may hit. Not gonna bail unless it's a cat3 when it hits land. Fortunately, Texas is great at dealing with hurricanes. Now that Blanco is not the gov. of Louisiana, hopefully, things should go *MUCH* better for that state.

    As for New Orleans, the levies still aren't fixed even thought the state and government has given the city plenty of money to get them fixed right for the umpteenth time and they still haven't done it. It only took Galveston ONE TIME to fix their island and has withstood many hurricanes with aplomb. So anyone south of I-10 better get out this week before the hurricane evacuation routes become jammed like Houston's rush hour traffic.

    DO NOT donate or give to the Red Cross!! They are a F****** joke!! They were not ready the last time like they claimed to be, and they were no help at all to any of us. FEMA, on the other hand, was great.
     
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    And this just in...........


    Republican officials said yesterday that they are considering delaying the start of the GOP convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul because of Tropical Storm Gustav, which is on track to hit the Gulf Coast, and possibly New Orleans, as a full-force hurricane early next week.

    For Bush and Republican presidential candidate John McCain, Gustav threatens to provide an untimely reminder of Hurricane Katrina. A new major storm along the Gulf Coast would renew memories of one of the low points of the Bush administration, while pulling public attention away from McCain's formal coronation as the GOP presidential nominee.

    Senior Republicans said images of political celebration in the Twin Cities while thousands of Americans flee a hurricane could be disastrous. "Senator McCain has always been sensitive to national crisis," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds, noting that the senator postponed announcing his presidential candidacy in 2000 because of the war in the Balkans. "We are monitoring the situation very closely."

    washingtonpost.com
     
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    More bullshit urban myth. The City of New Orleans is not the builder of the levee system. The responsibility for that (and its catastrophic failure) falls to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

    2005 levee failures in Greater New Orleans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Corps of Engineers Repairing New Orleans Levee System
     
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    I for one would love to see a GOP convention with a giant split screen, one side with mesmerizing live cameras on Hurricane Gustav and the other side showing Yosemite Sam McCain throwing one of his famous temper tantrums to get attention.
     
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    Reality is, those people in Texas and Louisiana wouldn't have made it out (pardon this one, "if their lives depended upon it"). There are those that simply won't leave, means or not. Then there's the reality of traffic pure and simple. Living in South Florida and seeing it first hand. We're talking about rush hour traffic, the people of Miami can't drive and leave in an orderly fashion when the sun is shining, there is no imminent threat of storm and they are simply going to work or school. What used to be a 3 day leave window before the masses evacuated in bumper to bumper caravans of traffic on every major highway North and out of FL is the same issue in Texas and Louisiana and in my estimation is now 5-7 days and that is even aggressive for South FL.

    The hurricane season that brought Katrina and others. There's simply too much traffic. I drove from Miami to Daytona to Orlando and the evacuation was a nightmare in many areas. Miami to Orlando wasn't bad. But after helping family secure that house, later that evening the evacuation had turned into a bigger nightmare even into the rural areas north of Orlando on I-75 and Highway 441. 4 lanes into 2 lanes of that volume of traffic is the problem there, the bottlenecks strangled any attempt at an evacuation. That was 2 days before any hurricane actually hit. Here you go, this is precisely what traffic was about that time and for several days:

    http://www.musiccitybloggers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/deep4.jpg

    And it entails "running out of fuel", "bumper to bumper traffic" where you move a car length or two at a time". There's only one thing missing from the scene, And that's all the @ssh*les trying to drag their boats out of South Florida behind a gas guzzling RV that helps make running out of gas a reality. It's not bad enough everyone gets a 400 mile fuel tank to make it to somewhere near Georgia when they do 60-70 mph, they simply don't go/move. You're lucky to get 250 miles out of the same tank of gas and that drive goes from 3-4 hours for 250 miles to that long to go an hour or two North of the downtown hub of Miami. as for getting to a more rural area, there isn't enough gasoline out in the middle of nowhere, not enough service stations and fuel can't get there fast enough to cover the mass exodus. Miami to Jax is 350 miles, that's 5 hours, not during a hurricane evacuation. It might be from Jupiter Inlet and North, but Ft Lauderdale and further South to the Keys and you might aas well forget it. It's logistically impossible to move South Florida out in that time frame. And FL is relatively developed for tourism, not implying New Orleans isn't, but Louisiana isn't as developed as FL. There are costs, the more population you have, the infrastructure is more developed, but that population can only maintain so many resources to accomodate itself and a large city the size of Miami in an evacuation situation. It's like saying everyone in Miami is going to Islamorada for Labor Day. There just isn't enough fuel, food and lodging there and where would an airlift be to deliver those supplies, especially with the unknown of storm debris. It's logistically impossible and we've become a society that blames the Govt. for everything when something does go wrong.

    Anyway, the point is, Katrina wasn't Bush's fault, a failure of FEMA or Republicans or Democrats or anyone else. There were abuses and what happened there falls on those people. My estimation and opinion, there's only so much infrastructure to get people out, then there's only enough infrastructure to rebuild and get supplies, aid and whatever else in the aftermath. What ever made it into the area that was fraudulently mis-directed at least was an attempt to help and expedite the process. The fraud falls on individuals that abused the process of disaster aid.
     
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    *gasp*

    Don't say the "K" word three times, if you do, one of the criminals that have been given a new life in a new state will appear and shank you for your Pumas. And they wonder why those folks don't wanna go back, cuz they get clean slates in new states!
     
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    True and the reason the US Army Corps of Engineers haven't completely fixed the levees or the pumpstations is because Pres. GW Bush cut their funding 3 years in a row! They requested money to shore up the barrier islands and wetlands that might have protected the city but they didn't get it.:mad:


     
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    we aren't going anywhere.
     
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    black holes are very common these days! There are several in our own galaxy. Closer then you think.

    What stupid shit ever thought to build so many homes on reclaimed land. Then they try to fix a un-fixable situation. If man thinks he can hold back the ocean, well then all hope for those effected in New Orleans is hopeless. And from what I hear the land is still sinking further below what they expected it to so they should just give the land back to nature and marine life if thats even possible anymore.
     
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    I will keep the people in my thoughts and prayers that storm blows away and they dont go through this nightmare again.
     
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    The City of New Orleans has a lot more to do with the levees than is let on. Even though the Army Corps of Engineers is responsible for it, the ones that work for the corps that live in Louisiana are the main problem. The US gov't. has given them money several times to fix the same problem that was supposed to be fixed right the first time. It obviously didn't make it to the levees, but instead, made it to people's pockets in the state. If you think corruption is rampant in DC, come live in Louisiana for a while. DC doesn't have anything on Louisiana. It is truly bad in that state. At least they got rid of Blanco who was the biggest problem with that state.

    According to that article, the levees are supposed to be fixed "an equal to or better condition". Does anyone else see a problems with this? "Equal to" obviously wasn't good enough the first time!! Billions of dollars and they couldn't make it superior??

    Why don't we just let New Orleans flood and make it like Venice? Then the only traffic will be kayaks, jet skis, and small motor boats.
     
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    Let's just hope that this storm doesn't get too powerful. New Orleans doesn't need to go through another major hurricane again. Not for a LONG time.
     
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    Updates: Hurricane Gustav @ 125 mph Cat 3 (Sat 11 AM 8/30/08). TS Hanna still @ 50 mph.

    I don't think Gustav weakens much, what land Cuba sticks out for it to trip over isn't substantial enough, then it's back out over water and into the Gulf, aiming for Louisiana.
     
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    "School bus" Nagin better get on the ball!
     
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    Should the reconstructed levees not hold, it will he a political storm for the Bush administration and McCain.

    Let's wait and see.
     
  20. ital8

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    This storm can grow into a monster. Remember Katrina was a Cat 5 when it was out in the middle of the Gulf. Gustav could reach the same status. But it seems like people are taking this storm more seriously, which they should.
     
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