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I'm not sure humanity will survive social media. We just aren't that smart or critical enough. Once deep fakes begin spreading and lets hope they never do but if they do and are widely believed it's game over.

As for the US it may not survive Fox News. Germany had to be defeated to shut down their version of Fox and now they have laws that prevent a Fox News from recurring. Fox/GOPTV operates outside any kind of oversight or ethical guidelines. It has aligned itself with one political party and in fact was once run by a strategist from that party. The framers could have never imagined the press would be as corrupt as a president and an entire political party. But here we are.


The US needs something like what the Germans have but conservatives would immediately recognize the danger in having to be honest and truthful about their policies and who they are meant to benefit and harm and thus would fight it to the end.

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I'm not sure humanity will survive humanity. We've been trying to kill ourselves for hundreds upon hundreds of years now. Even without the help of tech. Tech just helps us do it faster.
 
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I'm not sure humanity will survive humanity. We've been trying to kill ourselves for hundreds upon hundreds of years now. Even without the help of tech. Tech just helps us do it faster.

We have evolved enough to annihilate ourselves for sure. Sadly we will take the planet down with us.
 
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We have evolved enough to annihilate ourselves for sure. Sadly we will take the planet down with us.

I don't know about that one. Nuclear fallout and reactors and what not damaging the planet for a while yeah but i think it's much more sturdy than we are (which makes all the things we're doing that much more asinine and illogical). Most of the animals we've made extinct not so much but generally speaking unless we reach star wars levels of stupidity i think the planet will be fine.
 

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It doesn't matter WTF he voted. When he chose to run as a Democrat, he should have registered as a Democrat. PERIOD! It's part of what is called a "Party Platform." If you don't think he split the party, you're as dense as any Trumpster.

He didn't split the party- He ran for the democrat nomination.

He didn't get it.

And PUTIN put out billions of tweets, facebook posts, memes, and other shit trying to get the more progressive liberals upset that Hillary got the nom.

And THOSE STUPID ASS FUCKS WHO FELL FOR IT split the party.

The CANDIDATES who split the party were Jill Stein ( Vocally supported by asswipe brain donor Susan Serrandon in Her push to Lodge "Protest Votes" ) And the libertarian dipshit who got all the potheads to vote for him.

And BTW- the entire idea of "Protest Votes" was traced to Putins troll farm.


Pay attention.

in a winner take all presidential system like ours, only imbeciles think a viable third party can exist.

Bernie did what he was SUPPOSED to do- try to get the Liberal party to be MORE progressive than it became thru its rush to the center during the Heyday of the reagan conservatives.

Everyone votes their CONSCIENCE in the primary- and Bernie SUCCEEDED in Pushing Hillary and the party platform further to the left.
That is what PRIMARIES are for- to show the party what the people WANT.

And then in the General- EVERYONE votes for the ONE of the 2 dominant parties CLOSEST to their agenda... because ANY OTHER ACTION is a vote for the party they most oppose.


The American electorate was bamboozled by a sophisticated cyber attack by a foreign enemy-


Stop BLAMING the people doing everything RIGHT for what went wrong.

That is the kind of horseshit PUTIN and the GOP and FOX spreads to divide our electorate into impotently squabbling factions.
 
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I don't know about that one. Nuclear fallout and reactors and what not damaging the planet for a while yeah but i think it's much more sturdy than we are (which makes all the things we're doing that much more asinine and illogical). Most of the animals we've made extinct not so much but generally speaking unless we reach star wars levels of stupidity i think the planet will be fine.

Depends on how you define "fine". Venus is fine. Mercury is fine. Life as we know it wouldn't survive on those planets. Yes Earth will be "fine" too but life on it not so much so.
 
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I've no doubt it's true as all the nightmare scenarios of Operation Iraqi Freedom have come true. We're still in Afghanistan. We're still in Iraq. And now we're headed to Iran for yet another eternal war. But none of those failures, trillions spent, hundreds of thousands of lives lost will deter the war criminals in this country keeps sending to Washington.

This comment sums up Trump's entire presidency:

"All Trump cares about is shitting on Obama's legacy, sucking up to donors, and distracting from impeachment. None of this is about American interests or security. He's surrounded by ideological lunatic sycophants like Pence and Pompeo. But they're far from the only ones."
 
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"We took a bad guy off the battlefield. We made the right decision.” That is the sophomoric justification that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo provided for President Trump’s risky gambit of killing Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani, the head of Iran’s Quds Force.

If we have learned anything from the past 17 years, it is that killing a bad guy doesn’t necessarily make the situation any better. Saddam Hussein was as bad as a guy can get, but his ouster and execution only unleashed chaos. That’s why I regret my support for the Iraq War; Pompeo clearly does not. He and Trump (who supported the Iraq invasion before he opposed it) seem to have learned nothing from that fiasco. They are sucking the United States into another Middle East conflict with a surfeit of arrogance and a deficit of strategy.

Trump is sucking us into another war with lots of arrogance and little strategy
 
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The crazies are all over Washington just like the Bush presidency. Recall John Ashcroft whose deep religious beliefs required Lady Justice be covered? That was nothing.

The Washington Post has reported that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was the main force that pushed Trump into assassinating Iranian Major General Soleimani. Pompeo, according to a New York Times reporter, had a fixation with a bible passage about Queen Esther protecting Israel from Iran. Pompeo’s extreme hostility towards Iran is motivated by his extreme religious beliefs.​

Pompeo, Awaiting the Rapture, Pushed Trump to Strike Iranian General Soleimani

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Besides all that does is give us Mike pence

All those "evangelical's" who were all "it's about the judges:' and voted for Trump will turn out in Droves to Vote for Pence because he is really and truly "one of them" . Those white soccer moms in teh burbs who justify it by saying "I voted against Hillary" will crawl over broken glass to vote for Pence

It may be a squeaker at it may be different states and he may loose the popular vote by even MORE but he could eak outa an electoral college win

I'm firmly convinced they'd vote for fkn Yosemite Sam, so long as he said, did, and supported the same kind hateful shit they LOVE hearing Trump say and do.

I'm not sure humanity will survive social media. We just aren't that smart or critical enough. Once deep fakes begin spreading and lets hope they never do but if they do and are widely believed it's game over.

As for the US it may not survive Fox News. Germany had to be defeated to shut down their version of Fox and now they have laws that prevent a Fox News from recurring. Fox/GOPTV operates outside any kind of oversight or ethical guidelines. It has aligned itself with one political party and in fact was once run by a strategist from that party. The framers could have never imagined the press would be as corrupt as a president and an entire political party. But here we are.


The US needs something like what the Germans have but conservatives would immediately recognize the danger in having to be honest and truthful about their policies and who they are meant to benefit and harm and thus would fight it to the end.

German Press Council

That's because the Germans have learned some rather PAINFUL lessons from abiding by hate, racism, bigotry, and intolerance.


Lieberman is sad... PERIOD.
 
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{QUOTE="sargon20}Trump reneging on the Iran deal and placing sanctions on them has done nothing but make things worse. Which, of course, was 100% predictable. He had little choice to withdraw since his mission is to undo everything Obama...It’s hard to overstate what a total failure Trump’s Iran policy has been: Nuclear program resumed. Regional provocations escalated...

Pentagon launched airstrike ...killed Iranian commander Qasem Soleimani... Defense Sec. Mark
Esper said Thursday night that Soleimani was "actively developing plans" to attack US troops and diplomats.The killing of a senior figure linked to Tehran’s support for foreign proxy groups is certain to heighten tensions between the United States and Iran. This breaking story will be updated.
Iraqi state television reported this too: the airstrike near the Baghdad airport also killed Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, an Iraqi militia commander. But the death of Iran’s most revered military leader appeared likely to send tensions soaring between the United States and Iran....
{quote/}

And in Trump's Dec. 29, 2019 attack in Iraq, prior to the Soleimani airstrike, 24 Iraqis were killed and 50 were wounded - as mentioned here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/29/world/middleeast/us-airstrikes-iran-iraq-syria.htm

That specific attack led to the hostile protest against the presence of American troops in Iraq mentioned in the "anti-benghazi" thread. The NYTimes article mentioned that the US, Iraq and Iran, circa 2014, were once allies working together to defeat ISIS. But Trump decided to reject peace and mete death and destruction upon the Iraqis and Iranians. Thus the Iraqi parliament voted that the US troops should be expelled from Iraq on Jan. 5, 2020.

Iraq Tells Trump GTFO After Soleimani Strike
 

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He didn't split the party- He ran for the democrat nomination.

He didn't get it.

And PUTIN put out billions of tweets, facebook posts, memes, and other shit trying to get the more progressive liberals upset that Hillary got the nom.

And THOSE STUPID ASS FUCKS WHO FELL FOR IT split the party.

The CANDIDATES who split the party were Jill Stein ( Vocally supported by asswipe brain donor Susan Serrandon in Her push to Lodge "Protest Votes" ) And the libertarian dipshit who got all the potheads to vote for him.

And BTW- the entire idea of "Protest Votes" was traced to Putins troll farm.


Pay attention.

in a winner take all presidential system like ours, only imbeciles think a viable third party can exist.

Bernie did what he was SUPPOSED to do- try to get the Liberal party to be MORE progressive than it became thru its rush to the center during the Heyday of the reagan conservatives.

Everyone votes their CONSCIENCE in the primary- and Bernie SUCCEEDED in Pushing Hillary and the party platform further to the left.
That is what PRIMARIES are for- to show the party what the people WANT.

And then in the General- EVERYONE votes for the ONE of the 2 dominant parties CLOSEST to their agenda... because ANY OTHER ACTION is a vote for the party they most oppose.


The American electorate was bamboozled by a sophisticated cyber attack by a foreign enemy-


Stop BLAMING the people doing everything RIGHT for what went wrong.

That is the kind of horseshit PUTIN and the GOP and FOX spreads to divide our electorate into impotently squabbling factions.

Now, YOU pay attention. The sole purpose of a party is to solidify the platform. Absolutely nothing could demonstrate this better than the Republicans who tossed their cookies at the thought of a Trump President and became craven sycophants after the "deal" was done. If you are going to run as a Democrat, you better damn well be registered as one. Please don't bother attempting to "correct" me again. On most of your your other points, you're correct... much to the dismay of every rational thinking American... and much of the rest of the world.
 

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I'm not sure humanity will survive humanity. We've been trying to kill ourselves for hundreds upon hundreds of years now. Even without the help of tech. Tech just helps us do it faster.
Hundreds and hundreds? Longer than that.