Trump bans transgender people from serving in the military.

[deleted37010]

APA Questions Announcement to Bar Transgender People From US Military
Cites research showing no ill effects of open service on military readiness, harmfulness of discrimination to health, well-being
http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2017/07/transgender-military.aspx

The American Psychological Association questioned President Trump’s announced ban on transgender people serving “in any capacity” in the U.S. military, a reversal of the previous administration’s decision to allow transgender military personnel to serve openly.

“The American Psychological Association questions the reasoning behind President Trump’s call to bar transgender people from the military. We’ve seen no scientific evidence that allowing transgender people to serve in the armed forces has had an adverse impact on our military readiness or unit cohesion. Therefore, we ask that transgender individuals continue to be allowed to serve their country,” said APA President Antonio E. Puente, PhD.

A 2016 RAND report commissioned by DoD found that the health care costs of letting transgender people serve openly in the military would increase by no more than a mere 0.13 percent.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html

 

[Industrialsize]

See above.

People with Hepatitis C were never prevented from joining the military. Here are the medical requirements from 1989:
http://www.whs.mil/library/mildoc/AR40-501_MedicalServices_15May89_.pdf

 

[Max_Polo]

Bullshit. You literally made your own policy. This was the policy in 2009:
"We do not routinely test military members for evidence of hepatitis C infection. The presence of hepatitis C infection is usually discovered when members donate blood, as hepatitis C testing is conducted as a required part of the blood donor program, or is discovered during a clinical evaluation for symptoms or signs of an illness. When clinically indicated, military members do receive testing and, if appropriate, treatment for hepatitis C infection. Similarly, military members found to be infected with hepatitis C during testing of their donated blood are clinically evaluated and treated, as appropriate. For military members already on active duty, hepatitis C infection by itself does not render them unfit for continue."

You are quite hasty in your judgment about things you know not. I really didn't make the policy actually. If you are interested in the actual policy to which I referred, you will find it here:

SECNAV INSTRUCTION 5300.30E

Which refers to Reference (g), which is:

SECNAV INSTRUCTION 1850.4E

Which, on page page 8-18 specifies that hepatitis with "persistence of biochemical markers indicating chronicity” is incompatible with continued active duty service.

At that time, the cure rate was approximately 6%, meaning that 94% had persistent infection and were therefore ineligible for continued service.

In 2011 the first protease inhibitors were approved for the treatment of HCV, resulting in cure rates exceeding 90%.

Subsequent to that development, most active duty HCV infected members were successfully treated, so no change in the policy was necessary because the majority would no longer present with "persistence of biochemical markers indicating chronicity” and therefore would not be separated.

This entirely consistent with later testimony.

 

[Max_Polo]

People with Hepatitis C were never prevented from joining the military. Here are the medical requirements from 1989:
http://www.whs.mil/library/mildoc/AR40-501_MedicalServices_15May89_.pdf

You don't know what you are talking about. See above for details if you are actually interested in something other than being argumentative.

 

[Max_Polo]

What years are you speaking of?

What you say makes sense but you're only offering a hunch ... no real evidence.

See details here if interested...

 

[deleted37010]

Canada's military brilliantly trolled Trump for the transgender military service ban
https://twitter.com/CanadianForces/status/890288099573600256/photo/1

http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-military-troll-transgender-ban-trump-2017-7

 

[Industrialsize]

You are quite hasty in your judgment about things you know not. I really didn't make the policy actually. If you are interested in the actual policy to which I referred, you will find it here:

SECNAV INSTRUCTION 5300.30E

Which refers to Reference (g), which is:

SECNAV INSTRUCTION 1850.4E

Which, on page page 8-18 specifies that hepatitis with "persistence of biochemical markers indicating chronicity” is incompatible with continued active duty service.

At that time, the cure rate was approximately 6%, meaning that 94% had persistent infection and were therefore ineligible for continued service.

In 2011 the first protease inhibitors were approved for the treatment of HCV, resulting in cure rates exceeding 90%.

Subsequent to that development, most active duty HCV infected members were successfully treated, so no change in the policy was necessary because the majority would no longer present with "persistence of biochemical markers indicating chronicity” and therefore would not be separated.

This entirely consistent with later testimony.

You do know that PDF files are searchable. What you have posted can be found in neither of the PDF files you linked. They are also from 2002. You said your years were 1990-2000

 

[ManchesterTom]

If you had ever received the Holy Spirit, you would definitely know.

I'm going to vote, facetious arsehole. Heads you win, tails you win.

 

[Max_Polo]

You do know that PDF files are searchable. What you have posted can be found in neither of the PDF files you linked. They are also from 2002. You said your years were 1990-2000

Really, you can search a PDF? I never would have thought to do that...then I wouldn't have had to read all that gibberish.

Which part of this is confusing for you? I tried to make it easy by providing page numbers. And, regardless of the year, the fact is that at that time, cure was achieved in the minority of HCV infections and sustained viral activity was cause for separation. I'm not going to go find the 2000 policy - which was the same as the 2002 policy but if you have time to waste doing so, have at it.

 

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[Max_Polo]

I'm going to vote, facetious arsehole. Heads you win, tails you win.

That was my inclination but to be facetious requires intellect so I hesitated...

 

[Industrialsize]

Really, you can search a PDF? I never would have thought to do that...then I wouldn't have had to read all that gibberish.

Which part of this is confusing for you? I tried to make it easy by providing page numbers. And, regardless of the year, the fact is that at that time, cure was achieved in the minority of HCV infections and sustained viral activity was cause for separation. I'm not going to go find the 2000 policy - which was the same as the 2002 policy but if you have time to waste doing so, have at it.

Not at all. The Standards of Medical Fitness are called regulation AR-40-501. These are the Medical fitness standards for enlistment, induction, and appointment. I provided the one from 1989.

 

[Chrysippus]

I'm going to vote, facetious arsehole. Heads you win, tails you win.

Facetiousness is sometimes a satirical tool to be used againt the pompous. Sorry you were offended.
When Polo set himself up, I couldn't resist.

 

[Max_Polo]

Not at all. The Standards of Medical Fitness are called regulation AR-40-501. These are the Medical fitness standards for enlistment, induction, and appointment. I provided the one from 1989.

Seriously? You sure are persistent but still wrong. The hepatitis C was first characterized in April 1989 so it's not likely that you'd find it referenced in a May 1989 military medicine policy.

 

[Industrialsize]

Seriously? You sure are persistent but still wrong. The hepatitis C was first characterized in April 1989 so it's not likely that you'd find it referenced in a May 1989 military medicine policy.

Prior to 1989 Hepatitis C was known as non-A, non-B viral hepatitis. But you're a physician so you know that.

 

[Max_Polo]

Prior to 1989 Hepatitis C was known as non-A, non-B viral hepatitis. But you're a physician so you know that.

But you couldn't test for it, so there was not going to be a policy guideline addressing it specifically. Did you not read the DOD guidance or did you not understand it? Seriously - I thought this was pretty simple but maybe I missed something there? And, do you think I just made all that shit up to illustrate a point?

 

[Industrialsize]

But you couldn't test for it, so there was not going to be a policy guideline addressing it specifically. Did you not read the DOD guidance or did you not understand it? Seriously - I thought this was pretty simple but maybe I missed something there? And, do you think I just made all that shit up to illustrate a point?

I searched the word "hepatitis" in both of the PDF's you linked to. Nowhere in either of them, are the passages about Hepatitis C, that you posted, to be found. I have no idea where they came from. They address CHRONIC PERSISTENT Hep C, a different disease from simple Hep C and need context.

 

[Max_Polo]

I searched the word "hepatitis" in both of the PDF's you linked to. Nowhere in either of them, are the passages about Hepatitis C, that you posted, to be found. I have no idea where they came from. They address CHRONIC PERSISTENT Hep C, a different disease from simple Hep C and need context.

Before 2011, almost all (> 90%) hepatitis C was chronic and persistent. But that terminology was most commonly used with hepatitis B, because it's natural course is variable (that is, some people clear it themselves without treatment).

Which, on page page 8-18 specifies that hepatitis with "persistence of biochemical markers indicating chronicity” is incompatible with continued active duty service.

At that time, the cure rate was approximately 6%, meaning that 94% had persistent infection and were therefore ineligible for continued service.

In 2011 the first protease inhibitors were approved for the treatment of HCV, resulting in cure rates exceeding 90%.​

 

[Max_Polo]

I searched the word "hepatitis" in both of the PDF's you linked to. Nowhere in either of them, are the passages about Hepatitis C, that you posted, to be found.

Seriously? See page 8 - 18 of the 1850.4E document. In my post above, I provided the page number and also directly quoted the document.

 

[Industrialsize]

Seriously? See page 8 - 18 of the 1850.4E document. In my post above, I provided the page number and also directly quoted the document.

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Pages 8-18 say nothing remotely similar to what you've posted. The phrase "is incompatible with continued active duty service." appears in neither document.