Trump bans transgender people from serving in the military.

[Klingsor]

That would be absolutely fine by me.

If it is not a service connected injury or illness, then the taxpayer should not be paying for it.

As a side note, back in 2012 when I was waiting for my pulmonologist appointment I noticed a bunch of camouflaged uniform clad personnel in the waiting room. They were from all 4 military services. Then I noticed their sleeves...lots and lots of stripes.

So when I got to see the doctor, I asked him about it. He said that if they get diagnosed with sleep apnea before they retire, they get a 50% disability rating. So once they retire, 50% of their pension check is tax free for the rest of their lives.

Now....here is the crux of the situation for me....how is sleep apnea connected to their service?

To me, it looked like a bunch of dudes just milking the system.

I could be wrong, but it was my impression that U.S. military healthcare benefits are not restricted to "service-connected injury or illness."

Anyone want to clarify?

 

[keenobserver]

Disagrees with me? You must have read into my post. Notice I said nothin

If you keep transgenders from getting hormone treatments and surgical operations paid for on the taxpayer's dime while they are in the military, that would be just fine by me.

You don't have to outright ban transgenders in their own.

Once their medical isn't being paid for, they will leave the military all on their own.

. . . Or we could cut Trump's golf budget and pay for every trans surgery in America for ten years.

 

[keenobserver]

I could be wrong, but it was my impression that U.S. military healthcare benefits are not restricted to "service-connected injury or illness."

Anyone want to clarify?

You are correct. My cousin, who is my age was in the Air Force for over 36 years. He developed a blood condition - unrelated to his service and his pension was upgraded to full disability because he was classified as "unfit to deploy." He has not deployed overseas for almost 20 years and was based in the U.S. Still all servicemen need to be fit to deploy - even when they at not ever going to deploy. He earned an excellent pension - now 100% tax free, plus extra education benefits which translated into him going back to college for a 4 th degree. While he is in college he gets paid several thousand extra dollars a month for 48 months for living expenses and incidental college expenses beyond books and tuition.

His aforementioned blood condition - which can be life threatening - is apparently hereditary and other members of his family have it too. All covered by his military insurance.

 

[Industrialsize]

Former defense secretary Cohen: Trump's transgender policy tweet might have made me quit

Former Secretary of Defense William Cohen said Friday that a Twitter announcement of the type President Donald Trump made this week banning transgender individuals from serving in the U.S. military would have been enough for him to consider resigning.

"I would have called the president, asked for a meeting with the president, and [said] 'Mr. President, before you ever make a tweet or send a tweet or make a decision without consulting me, then you'll find a new secretary of defense,'” Cohen, a former Republican senator who served as defense secretary under former President Bill Clinton, said on SiriusXM’s “Joe Madison Show." “You get to do it once, but you try it again and I'll be out of here."

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/28/trump-transgender-military-ban-william-cohen-241088

 

[phonehome]

K/O

Not to derail this too far but how was he ever allowed to stay in that long ?

When in that 36 year stint was this "blood condition" detected/diagnosed ??

 

[canuck_pa]

I would guess that would be by people who don't understand. Do a Google search for "Her Royal Highness the Queen" and then "Her Majesty the Queen". You will see that all of the official hits will come up for the latter.

I stand corrected.

 

[canuck_pa]

But they weren't.

Then they should have been.

Right, she does all those important duties, excluding, maybe, shopping-center openings...she opens her mail, waves on the balcony, and takes the money. Her life is ceremonial

Darling, don't forget she also does her nails.

Queen of Canada? Laissez-moi rire! I thought that title belonged to a drag queen in Moose Jaw.
If she's royalty, at least she should stop wearing those dowdy hats from Millie's Hat Barn in Tulsa...

Lovie, I'm sure there's more than one drag, Queen of Canada but they just can't pull off it with fake pearls and diamonds.
Ooops Dear! Don't turn around, but I this your ignorance is showing.

 

[Chrysippus]

Lovie, I'm sure there's more than one drag, Queen of Canada but they just can't pull off it with fake pearls and diamonds.

Well, I'll bet Moose Jaw falls for it, unless she shows 'em her candy.
PS Is it true that Brits believe that kissing HRH's dowager hump cures illness?

 

[ConanTheBarber]

Is it true that Brits believe that kissing HRH's dowager hump cures illness?

No, you have to cut it open and suck on it.

 

[chicagosam]

. . . Or we could cut Trump's golf budget and pay for every trans surgery in America for ten years.

Or Secret service at Trump Tower and Mar-a-Lago, and place him on a budget seeing as he is an employee.

 

[Brodie888]

First they came for the Mexicans, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not Mexican.

Then they came for the Muslims, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Muslim.

Then they came for the LGBT, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not LGBT.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[canuck_pa]

Well, I'll bet Moose Jaw falls for it, unless she shows 'em her candy.
PS Is it true that Brits believe that kissing HRH's dowager hump cures illness?

Pusie darling, yes its true HRH can cure many illnesses, colds and flu, mumps, measles, chicken pox, the plague. And, lucky for you next month she has a 2 for 1 special, nastiness and ignorance. Shall I book a flight for you?

And that Lovie Darling, is the last time I will respond to you. Have a lovely life. Ta Ta.

 

[Chrysippus]

next month she has a 2 for 1 special, nastiness and ignorance.

Brits will throng to the palace for that one, and of course you'll be there to represent the what-was-once-the-British-commonwealth--blow kisses to Chuckie and Cam!

Here's another reason for royalty:

They're trained not to bark...

 

[W/In 1 Stand Dev]

Well, to me, your post looks like just another personal anecdote, the truth of which can't be verified...
I met Jesus at a 7-11 in Salt Lake City in 2014.

Well...gee...let me google that for you...

http://www.military.com/benefits/2013/06/20/va-reconsiders-disability-ratings-for-apnea.html

 

[W/In 1 Stand Dev]

And the first result on google was this:

https://www.veteranslawblog.org/sleep-apnea-va-disability-rating/

a webpage that helps bilk even more money out of the .gov

 

[Bardox]

I asked in another thread if a Trans person could be guilty of mansplaining. Never got an answer. Doubt I will get one with the question I have for this thread, but I'll give it a shot.

Question: Would a Trans Person be held to the requirements of the gender they identify as OR the requirements of their biological sex? They are not the same. For example, the average female soldier is to have body fat percentage between 30%-36% . Any more or less and she is considered to be not physically fit and cannot be deployed. The average male soldier is to have body fat percentage between 20%-26%. Anymore or less and he is considered unfit for deployment.

There are all sorts of different requirements for men and women. If Trans Men are to be held to the standards of men instead of women, they would otherwise be considered a detriment to their unit. Vise versa for Trans Women and the normal standards for women instead of men. This is a question of basic military readiness. If they are to be held to the standards of the gender they identify as they are not physically fit enough to deploy. If they are to be held to the standard of their biological sex then the fact they are trans would not really matter for readiness, but doesn't respect their... Trans-ness....

So, which set of standards are Trans People to be held to??

 

[TexanStar]

Doubt I will get one with the question I have for this thread, but I'll give it a shot.

Question: Would a Trans Person be held to the requirements of the gender they identify as OR the requirements of their biological sex?

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/01/transgender-soldiers-to-face-lower-fitness-tests/

 

[Chrysippus]

Well...gee...let me google that for you...
http://www.military.com/benefits/2013/06/20/va-reconsiders-disability-ratings-for-apnea.html

Then again, don't...

 

[554279]

You are correct. My cousin, who is my age was in the Air Force for over 36 years. He developed a blood condition - unrelated to his service and his pension was upgraded to full disability because he was classified as "unfit to deploy." He has not deployed overseas for almost 20 years and was based in the U.S. Still all servicemen need to be fit to deploy - even when they at not ever going to deploy. He earned an excellent pension - now 100% tax free, plus extra education benefits which translated into him going back to college for a 4 th degree. While he is in college he gets paid several thousand extra dollars a month for 48 months for living expenses and incidental college expenses beyond books and tuition.

His aforementioned blood condition - which can be life threatening - is apparently hereditary and other members of his family have it too. All covered by his military insurance.

Retirement benefits are not 100% tax free. If he received 100% disability the VA pulls that amount from his retirement so it won't get taxed. It doesn't always work out to the same 100% of the pay grade. Its some serious strange ass math.

You do not get thousands of dollars each month for 48 months for COLA. You get the equivalent of E5 BAH if you are a full time student.

If your cousin was in the Air Force for over 36 years he is getting thousands of dollars because he retired as at least an O6, not from his GI Bill.

 

[554279]

I could be wrong, but it was my impression that U.S. military healthcare benefits are not restricted to "service-connected injury or illness."

Anyone want to clarify?

To enlist or receive a commission you have to pass a physical that has a shit ton of disqualification factors (to include sexual, urinary or reproductive issues). If you have issues you can't get in period. Some preexisting conditions you can get a waiver for, but you won't be monetarily compensated for when you complete your service (you will be entitled to use a VA hospital however).

Healthcare benefits cover any illness or injury. The issue with "service connected" doesn't rear its head and bite you in the ass until after you get out of the military from a compensation standpoint.

If you complete a term of service and are injured to a certain degree you may qualify for a medical pension (30% is the magic number before you get any type of monetary compensation).

Regardless any one who successfully completes a military commitment qualifies to use a VA hospital (a mixed blessing for most).

If you retire you can enroll in TRICARE and receive limited medical treatment (similar to Blue Cross depending on the program you choose or the location). Some places its good, some places it is virtually non-existent and you're on your own.