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Trump Impeached

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Blackbullcock, Jan 13, 2021 at 5:40 PM.

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    Needs to be barred from running for office again in the Senate trial too.
     
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    So the US constitution states "he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."

    I'm guessing that means he can't be pardoned by Pence (if his oversized ego would let him step-down on the 19th) for the insurrection, nor can he blanket pardon the MAGA Rioters?
     
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    If the Senate voted to aquit Trump of the article(s) of Impeachment he would still have his power to pardon. However by the time a Senate trial initiated by Mitch McConnell concludes Trump will no longer be president. Had Trump been convicted during his term of office Pence would still have the power to pardon him.
     
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    If McConnell had actually tried and removed him a second impeachment would not have been necessary AND he'd still have a Republican president by the name of Mike Pence. McConnell and the entire Republican majority in the Senate chose instead to collude with Trump's obstruction of justice by abrogating their Constitutional duty to put Trump on trial.

    They're about to do it again.
     
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    Well, at least 10 Republican representatives, turned out to have their heads screwed on right, and voted for impeachment.

    Liz Cheney(R-WY):
    "There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution."
    ...

    CNBC.com:
    Trump becomes first president to be impeached twice, as bipartisan majority charges him with inciting Capitol riot

    "The president’s behavior in the 13 months since the first impeachment left House Democrats making a more clear-cut case than the first time around. The chamber charged Trump in a 232-197 vote, as all Democrats and 10 Republicans backed the measure."
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    ^^Yet this time around McConnell has already adjourned the Senate until Jan. 19, 2021. Hence the Senate trial would best be started, and concluded, post Biden's installment, with a new speaker, VP Harris and a Senate Democratic majority.
     
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    Indeed but it's too little too late and far too few from the Republican side of the aisle.

    Mafia Don Donald Trump still has them shaking in their boots because up until now he has controlled the Republican base via social media. We'll see if that continues.

    Too late for social media platforms to drop him as well. The jackass got out of the barn years ago.

    Congress needs to pass and Biden needs to sign legislation holding all social media platforms accountable for content.
     
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    Trump says he'll veto defense bill over Section 230, social media

    That's exactly what Trump wanted in order to victimize social media companies which flagged his misleading content - via lawsuits. That's why Trump tried to force Congress to repeal the section 230 safeguard for social media companies last December by threatening to veto a defence spending bill if Congress didn't do his bidding. Congress passed the bill with a veto proof majority then, and won't do what you want when Biden is president. As with lpsg, the social media subscribers are responsible for what content they post and subject to the moderators and TOS of the social media company.
     
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    Well that's how stupid Trump is. Making social media platforms responsible for content posted by its users would have silenced him long ago! As it is no social media platform silenced him permanently until now. Nor has the avalanche of misleading and false information across social media abated at all.

    IMO social media platforms are/should be seen as the equivalent of free community newspapers. Ads pay for them. Everywhere I've lived has had at least one. Anyone can submit articles, pics, art, stories, poetry, recipes, ads or personal ads but the editorial staff is still legally responsible for vetting content. The fact that newsprint has limited space and virtual platforms have unlimited space should make no difference when it comes to being legally responsible for content. Published on paper or electronically, content is content. If you publish it you own it. Platforms make it abundantly clear they own all content posted by users.

    We wouldn't be subject to President Turd's shit storms if it were not for social media platforms. Nor would he have been nominated or elected without them. Nor would he and his followers been able to network so easily to rally and attack the Capitol last Wednesday or in 50 state capitals on inauguration day. As it is the platforms publishing the content which led to the attack will suffer no legal jeopardy because of Section 230. The billionaires who own them are backpedalling now but laughing all the way to bank.

    All. To. Sell. Ads.

    230 protections for social media platforms needs to be repealed post haste. Never should have been enacted in the first place.

    Putin never had it so easy. No leader of a country without a free press has. Goebbels would be jealous.
     
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    Everything you need to know about Section 230 and why everyone hates it
    Section 230 under attack: Why Trump and Democrats want to rewrite it
     
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    The GOP would not have silenced Trump long ago. Trump seemed harmless then and they endorsed free speech ( for Republicans). Furthermore Trump was covered heavily by coventional media - being a well known, popular celebrity. Social media, or not, it was by mimicking Bernie Sanders, via delivering a populist message, Trump won his 2016 election contest with Clinton. It is true social media served as an outlet for Trump's propaganda. But otherwise, social media enabled the authorities to detect and infiltrate far-right violent extremist groups in order to arrest persons guilty of violent terrorist activites. And individuals involved the very act of domestic terrorism have brazenly revealed their identities on social media - including active police and military officers. The insurrection revealed the US government had a number of pro-Trump white supremacists aiding the US Capitol invaders - plus the F.B.I. could - but did not warn Congress of the Jan 6, 2021 threat in advance.

    With Trump gone the Biden administration will hopefully take the domestic white nationalist threat seriously:

    AP FACT CHECK: Trump plays down white nationalist threat
     
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    He would have been virtually (no pun intended) silenced on social media except for 230.

    Look what's happened since his accounts have been closed: he's been forced to go to the press which does NOT have any protection from 230 but he's not taking any questions from the press. His released speeches are as boring as any politician's.

    A few tweets to his 80 million followers and a large crowd flies to DC for his Jan 6 rally, is incited to riot and attacks the Capitol.

    Closing his accounts have taken the teeth out of this demagogue which in the end is all he was and is.

    Repeal 230. Hold social media platforms which are used as free press to the same legal standards as the free press.
     
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