Trump inspired hate

[rbkwp]

August 14, 2017
Charlottesville Vice Mayor Wes Bellamy: Ku Klux Clowns Won't Stop Us

Charlottesville Vice-Mayor Wes Bellamy, who led the City Council's effort to remove the statue of Confederate general Confederate General Robert E. Lee, discusses his campaign and this weekend's white supremacist protests

 

[malakos]

There's simply no way you can possibly say that you've spent time watching Richard Spencer, then follow that up by saying that you've never seen him advocating for the idea that Whites are superior.

That I can, because I have not seen it. Where has he said this?

And in what way is getting to know someone who's ideology is genocide of an entire people worthwhile? Extermination of an entire people on the basis of race

I also have never observed him advocating for extermination of other races. Where have you seen this?

isn't a legitimate viewpoint

So only "legitimate" viewpoints are worth engaging? There's no point in debating "illegitimate" viewpoints and demonstrating how they are false? Trying to convince their proponents, or more likely those drawn to these views, or even more likely bystanders who are considering them, of how they are wrong, either factually or morally? Taking the time to understand why they believe these things? Wouldn't that provide more of a basis of developing a sound and convincing response to such views?

and asking people to acknowledge it by getting to know these people is ridiculous.

I'm not asking anyone to "acknowledge" any viewpoints as "legitimate" (whatever that even means). What I'm suggesting is that a critical thinker ought to keep his/her eyes and ears and open and learn from all different sorts of people and viewpoints, including those regarded as reprehensible. It appears to me that getting to know even one's worst enemies can help to develop one's "arsenal", so to speak.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

That I can, because I have not seen it. Where has he said this?

I also have never observed him advocating for extermination of other races. Where have you seen this?

I apologize for rudely jumping in, I know you weren't speaking to me, but a quick Googling will give you some results on that.

Dude's a racist. No doubt.

 

[malakos]

I apologize for rudely jumping in, I know you weren't speaking to me, but a quick Googling will give you some results on that.

Dude's a racist. No doubt.

I've actually watched several interviews with him of some length, and a multitude of shorter videos, and read several articles both by him and about him. This isn't something I feel the need to Google.

If anyone feels capable of citing any articles that demonstrate that he has stated outright that "Whites are superior to other races" or that he advocated for the extermination of any other race, I'm inviting the defense of these accusations.

I am aware that the former assertion is well within the realm of possibility, and I would not be taken aback if someone found evidence for it. The latter however, I'm pretty sure is unadulterated BS.

Sorry, "he's a racist" doesn't cut it. I know he's a racist. Obviously. Duh. Nearly everything he talks about in his public life is about race. And the fact that he advocates for a White ethnostate is very easily demonstrable, and of course that is a type of racist ideology. None of this however, adds up to the very specific accusations I'm asking about.

 

[deleted15807]

What causes people to be racist?

“In some ways, it’s super simple. People learn to be whatever their society and culture teaches them. We often assume that it takes parents actively teaching their kids, for them to be racist. The truth is that unless parents actively teach kids not to be racists, they will be,” said Jennifer Richeson, a Yale University social psychologist. “This is not the product of some deep-seated, evil heart that is cultivated. It comes from the environment, the air all around us.”

Why are people still racist? What science says about America’s race problem.​

 

[deleted15807]

Taking America Back.....

No Native Americans not for you

 

[Max_Polo]

David Duke does not represent me.
David Duke does not represent my family.
David Duke does not represent my country.
David Duke does not represent my ideology.
David Duke does not represent my community.
David Duke does not represent my political party.

 

[malakos]

They're coming to Boston on Saturday. There was just a joint press conference of the Governor and the Mayor and Chief of Police of Boston. They're taking this seriously and are preparing: View attachment 799816

"They"? Gavin McInnes is a Nazi now? Lol! I can't wait to see how broad the brush strokes are eventually going to get.

 

[TexanStar]

David Duke does not represent me.
David Duke does not represent my family.
David Duke does not represent my country.
David Duke does not represent my ideology.
David Duke does not represent my community.
David Duke does not represent my political party.

Are you Republican? Because insofar as the GOP has adopted the Southern Strategy, David Duke does reflect the political party (at least a wing of it which was actively pursued).

 

[Max_Polo]

Are you Republican? Because insofar as the GOP has adopted the Southern Strategy, David Duke does reflect the political party (at least a wing of it which was actively pursued).

I am a republican, but...

David Duke does not represent my political party.

 

[deleted15807]

Are you Republican? Because insofar as the GOP has adopted the Southern Strategy, David Duke does reflect the political party (at least a wing of it which was actively pursued).

And we know thanks to the Southern Stragegy the GOP has achieved fantastic electoral wins. It is as much of the part of the party as low taxes and climate change denial and abortion. Three issues you cannot be on the "wrong" side and have any chance of holding office.

 

[AlteredEgo]

Round 2 is planned for September 11th here in Texas: http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/texas-white-nationalist-protest-trnd/index.html

 

[1101550]

Are any of you fans of The Mouthy Buddah? His YouTube videos and take is very interesting!

 

[malakos]

Are any of you fans of The Mouthy Buddah? His YouTube videos and take is very interesting!

Yes, actually! An interesting channel indeed.

Of course, he would be totally anathema to most of the folks here. He's a classical liberal, but his best friend is what he calls a "fascist" (whatever that means), and he's had him on his channel. Plus he's regularly criticizing the likes of Antifa and BLM, and has expressed understanding for the concerns of the AR.

His main focus recently has actually been criticism of the AR. None of that would count for anything in this venue, as pretty much anyone who associates with any sort of nationalist, identitarian, fascist, or any other kind of reactionary is automatically treated with distrust and is not believed when expressing moderate attitudes.

 

[1101550]

Yes, actually! An interesting channel indeed.

Of course, he would be totally anathema to most of the folks here. He's a classical liberal, but his best friend is what he calls a "fascist" (whatever that means), and he's had him on his channel. Plus he's regularly criticizing the likes of Antifa and BLM, and has expressed understanding for the concerns of the AR.

His main focus recently has actually been criticism of the AR. None of that would count for anything in this venue, as pretty much anyone who associates with any sort of nationalist, identitarian, fascist, or any other kind of reactionary is automatically treated with distrust and is not believed when expressing moderate attitudes.

This whole time I thought TMB was a centrist that was slightly leaning towards conservative. His friend however is self admittedly all 1488.

 

[malakos]

This whole time I thought TMB was a centrist that was slightly leaning towards conservative.

Oh, that's in response to my referring to him as a classical liberal?

No, you're correct. Classical liberalism is the ideology that was held by most of the Founding Fathers. It is essentially a conservative view, right-of-center, in the context of the current political climate.

 

[TexanStar]

http://today.tamu.edu/2017/08/14/texas-am-cancels-911-event-reservation/

Texas A&M has just now withdrawn permission for the rally.

 

[deleted15807]

The dominoes are falling

Intel CEO is the latest to leave Trump's manufacturing council​

 

[malakos]

This is the worst possible course to be taking. Either confront them on militant terms, treat them as terrorists and surveil them and imprison their members, or confront them on civil terms and combat them with reason and win back their masses through virtuous example. This in between approach of simple shunning and shutting out from the public sphere is likely going to be the most galvanizing one (it has numerous times throughout history).

Unless, that is secretly what the Left wants?

SMH

 

[chrisrobin]

Biggest problem is going to be the world knowing that the failure of Trump call White Supremacy new Nazi's terrorists has all but been given them a nod and a wink from him that its ok to promote their filth.
Big Tests.
Stand up to NK - even though it was Trump provocation, so, as NK seems to have pulled back a little call it a pass.
His posturing on the world stage getting page one headlines made this little man feel big and took some of the pressure of the Russian investigations - so look out for more smoke screens!
Stand up to White Supremacy - failed, totally failed to denounce and then when he did, 48 hours later and then only under pressure, it was begrudgingly done and read from a teleprompter. Obviously prepared (by officials) to make sure he kept on message and again with strict instructions to not go off on a tangent - no wonder he was rigid and angry when he left the podium.
Today is the day he is going to have to get one step ahead...its Tuesday - I wonder as doe the wold whether he is able to grasp that his home grown base is capable of such racist bias, whether he can risk alienating them to keep the peace.
The German People in the 30's didn't stand up to the rise of the Nazi party and look what happened there!
Take a lesson from history America and stand up for what your true values are!