Trump inspired hate

[Tight_N_Juicy]

THIS. For (how many?) months before the election I have been writing "WAKE THE FUCK UP AMERICA."

NOW maybe some of that 90 mil will crack open an EYE...

............ MAYBE.

I've been talking to some people I know who didn't bother to vote. They say they don't feel like anything would be any different if they had. (I'm talking about 3 specific people I know) They all said bsically the same thing. "It was all set up from the beginning anyway, I don't waste my time on that voting bullshit anymore" or something along those lines.

Just some anecdotals for some random reason.

 

[braalian]

So a statue is a celebration? It is also to acknowlege an event. Removing it in the name of PC is revising our history. So now it's gone so we don't have to see it, recall it. Removed. Gone. As will be the lessons learned.

There's a reason they're called "monuments".

After ww2, Germany got rid of its monuments to Nazism. And, trust me, they know more about the history of ww2 than anyone.

Likewise, we have a moral obligation to dismantle monuments to the confederacy. Germany got rid of their Nazi monuments after the war for very obvious reasons. No one would think it would be okay for there to be some giant ww2 era swastika satatue still standing in modern Berlin.

It should be equally obvious why it's not okay for there to still be civil war era statues honoring the Confederacy in modern America. No "knowledge of history" will be lost. I daresay that the people fighting to remove the statues are better educated and know more about history than the people fighting to keep them.

 

[TexanStar]

There's a reason they're called "monuments".

exactly. I colored the relevant info for him since reading is a bit of a challenge for him today.

mon·u·ment
ˈmänyəmənt/
noun

1. a statue, building, or other structure erected to commemorate a famous or notable person or event.
   synonyms: memorial, statue, pillar, column, obelisk, cross; More
   
   
   • a statue or other structure placed by or over a grave in memory of the dead.
     synonyms: gravestone, headstone, tombstone, grave marker, plaque
     "a monument was placed over the grave"
   • a building, structure, or site that is of historical importance or interest.
     "the amphitheater is one of the many Greek monuments in Sicily"

com·mem·o·rate
kəˈmeməˌrāt/
verb

1. recall and show respect for (someone or something).
   "a wreath-laying ceremony to commemorate the war dead"
   • celebrate (an event, a person, or a situation) by doing or building something.
     "it was a night commemorated in a song"
     synonyms: celebrate, pay tribute to, pay homage to, honor, salute, toast; More
     

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

I'm just confused about the whole idea that if we remove the confederate statues we'll loose the knowledge.

I wonder how anyone made it through medical school without all the statues of penises and whatnot.

 

[b.c.]

The point that jz and others who defend the statues DON'T GET (don't WANT to get), either through ignorance, denial, coverup, or deliberate obfuscation, is that the statues aren't just history, or art, or markers for a historical event, ancestral connections, or any of that other bullshit rationale offered up for keeping them.

They are connected in the here-and-now to a certain ideology and MENTALITY of racism, discrimination, and supremacist points of view. And it is THEY who connected them, BY the DELIBERATE USE of those symbols (including the confederate flag) by those who support such viewpoints.

As such, the monuments, that flag, are the living, breathing SYMBOLS, IF not the very PERSONIFICATION of all the hateful, bigoted notions they subscribe to, and are determined to CLING to.

WE know that. THEY know it, too.

Why Confederate Monuments Must Fall - The New York Times

 

[AlteredEgo]

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You're truly an ass. No one is forcing anyone to sing Dixie you dolt. But do we remove all dark history to make it go away so not to offend, all in the name of PC. Again, who decides? How do we ever learn from the past so these don't repeat?

How does glorifying racist traitors via statues and memorials help tell the story? Come back with this bullshit when they try to take down the Lincoln memorial and Grant's Tomb.

 

[Klingsor]

I wonder how anyone made it through medical school without all the statues of penises and whatnot.

Sigh . . . I never missed those non-existent statues . . . until now.

 

[deleted15807]

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THIS. For (how many?) months before the election I have been writing "WAKE THE FUCK UP AMERICA."

NOW maybe some of that 90 mil will crack open an EYE...

............ MAYBE.

Newspapers from the left AND right warned this country not to elect Trump. But people don't read anymore and dumber and dumber we get. And now we have a 'Fox and Friends' president which could care less the TrumpEinstein they have created. Evil robber baron Rupert Murdoch tries in vain to control his monster but surprise surprise he's destroying everything.

‘Nazis must be confronted’: World leaders accuse Trump of ‘glossing over’ racist violence​

 

[achillesx]

Robert E. Lee was a pretty damn good general.

 

[braalian]

Robert E. Lee was a pretty damn good general.

Hitler was a military genius.... doesn't mean there need to be any monuments to him in Berlin.

 

[Industrialsize]

So a statue is a celebration? It is also to acknowlege an event. Removing it in the name of PC is revising our history. So now it's gone so we don't have to see it, recall it. Removed. Gone. As will be the lessons learned.

Robert E. Lee's Grandson today:
"If they choose to take those statues down, fine. Maybe...have them in museums"

 

[achillesx]

Hitler was a military genius.... doesn't mean there need to be any monuments to him in Berlin.

You just equated Lee to Hitler? Lee was a graduate of the United States Military Academy and served the United States Army for over 30 years.

 

[TexanStar]

Robert E. Lee's Grandson today:
"If they choose to take those statues down, fine. Maybe...have them in museums"

That's Jefferson Davis's great great grandson. I don't think Robert E Lee had any grandkids.

 

[TexanStar]

You just equated Lee to Hitler? Lee was a graduate of the United States Military Academy and served the United States Army for over 30 years.

You think statues for Robert E Lee are commemorating the time he spent in service of the US military (as opposed to the time he spent leading the military of the insurrection?)

 

[braalian]

You just equated Lee to Hitler? Lee was a graduate of the United States Military Academy and served the United States Army for over 30 years.

Ok, I'll admit that comparing Lee to one of Hitler's generals would have been more apt.

But I doubt very much there are any monuments to Nazi generals still standing in Germany, and there shouldn't be any monuments to Cofederate generals here.

And I definetly DO feel comfortable comparing confederate war aims to the war aims of National Socialism.

 

[Industrialsize]

That's Jefferson Davis's great great grandson. I don't think Robert E Lee had any grandkids.

Please don't correct me:
Robert E. Lee's Descendant Denounces White Nationalists
https://www.yahoo.com/news/robert-e-lee-apos-descendant-010705389.html

 

[TexanStar]

Please don't correct me:
Robert E. Lee's Descendant Denounces White Nationalists
https://www.yahoo.com/news/robert-e-lee-apos-descendant-010705389.html

That's his great great grandson (not a grandson, so you're still wrong on a technicality). Jefferson Davis's great great grandson expressed the same sentiment (that's referenced in your article)

I can also find no direct reference to the quote you pasted, either in the article you linked, or in google searches. I can find statements from Lee V that support that sentiment, but if it's not a direct quote it's hard to blame people for being critical when you put it in quotes and make it seem like it was.

I try to filter my news inputs. Don't blame me for getting caught by my internal fact checking when you're playing fast and loose with quotations.

 

[braalian]

And since I've spent so much time comparing the Confederacy to Nazi Germany....

I hope this tragedy pushes America to finally, *finally* call out the CSA for what it was. It was a totally indefensible regime whose existence revolved around the practice of brutal enslavement of people forcibly brought here from Africa. Enough of this "well, it was mostly about states' rights" bullshit. When the "right" in question is the right for a state to enslave pepople, then the conversation is fucking over.

I am sick and tired of this attitude of some (mostly white and mostly southern) Americans where they grudgingly admit the CSA was "kinda wrong", but it's okay for them to fly Confederate flags cause it's "part of their heritage". Again, bullshit. The German people were able to denounce the swastika without much of a fight.

There's a difference between the word "heritage" and the word "history". Heritage, by definition, implies something that is *valued* within a culture and intentionally passed down. History is just something that happened.

Of *course* the Confederacy is part of the South's *history*. That sure as hell doesn't mean it should be part of its *heritage*.

That a sizable chunk of the population continues to fly the Confederate flag in 2017 is a national embarrassment, one for which our nation will not be kindly judged in the annals of history.

 

[StormfrontFL]

Jesus, someone needs to reign in your stupidity and ignorance. Fortunately, the only danger you pose is to yourself (and perhaps those who like your posts).

Listen, we all know you're a dumb ass from your many posts so no need to reiterate it.

You are the idiot that thinks removing statues is revising history. Here's a brief lesson for you. Removing statues doesn't change history it just removes the reminders and your cause for celebration.

Isn't it time to go salute your Confederate and Nazi flag collection?

 

[TexanStar]

Just to keep this discussion going, I'll put another counterargument out there: http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/08/14/dallas-group-forms-to-protect-confederate-monuments/

I'm still personally of the opinion that the statues are better served in a museum setting. I don't honestly get offended by these statues being around. I don't drive by them and be like "Grrr, damn those ghosts of civil war past haunting my town".

But I do feel like they communicate an outdated notion of what our city is about. And I think that outdated notion is what these white nationalism movements are clinging so heavily to (the KKK doesn't march on my library and defend the civil war section. They march on these monuments because they feel that the statues commemorate white power and shit).