Trump recinds transgender student protection

[Industrialsize]

I do think it's a different matter when it comes to student bathrooms, as all kids are more sensitive at a certain age. And trans kids are vulnerable to embarrassment and ridicule whichever bathroom they use. Kids can be little shits. They mostly were at my school. But bullying behaviour was usually met with a 'kids will be kids' kind of attitude. And I agree that a certain amount of jokes and taunting is just part of growing up. I suspect attitudes have changed since I was young but I don't know how much. Maybe trans kids can be granted permission to use the accessible bathroom. They're safer if there is no one else around them.

We rely on a certain amount of respect for each other when it comes to public bathroom etiquette. There will always be people who break the rules. I've witnessed people being inappropriate twice, once very openly in broad daylight in a shopping centre toilet. I'm not sure what the answer is for preventing that kind of behaviour besides increased security. I don't know how common it is, but I think it's safe to say that men commit the vast majority of these kind of acts. Maybe the law just needs to be harsher on these people.

Why are you talking about which bathroom trans children should use at school and adults acting inappropriately in bathrooms in the same post? They have nothing to do with each other.

 

[ActionBuddy]

Always right on the mark, (and funny), Trae Crowder.

Liberal Redneck - Trump and Trans:

A/B

 

[nickinoo]

Why are you talking about which bathroom trans children should use at school and adults acting inappropriately in bathrooms in the same post? They have nothing to do with each other.

The conversation had expanded earlier. I'm sure we are allowed to broaden a topic, are we not? I don't want to say why the two points are related because I would be breaking the rules. But you asked.

 

[Klingsor]

Right. So once again, someone else's right supercedes others.

Well, yes. My civil rights supersede your right not to be made uncomfortable by my exercising of my civil rights.

Again, children are innocent, and some mature slower than others. Why rush to expose them all to life's challenges at such an early age?

Many of life's challenges are such only *because* people weren't exposed to them at an early age. Who are we protecting by trying to pretend differences don't exist?

I would imagine, for example, that fifty years ago your line of reasoning would have made a compelling argument for racially segregated schools.

 

[Jjz1109]

Well, yes. My civil rights supersede your right not to be made uncomfortable by my exercising of my civil rights.
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Well, that about sums it up.

 

[bigbull29]

People have used the Bible to justify slavery and sexism and racism:

God doesn't believe women should vote, as they're inferior to men in decision-making. God doesn't think interracial marriage is acceptable. God doesn't think that black/native peoples are on par with white Europeans.

I am about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You can't allow draconian beliefs and ancient texts dictate how life should be lived. If you want to partake in some religion, then by all means do it. But don't impose your psychotic beliefs on others.

I am so concerned that Separation of Church and State is under siege.

 

[twoton]

The argument used is that men dressed as women will go into the women's room to violate women and young girls.

Why would they have to be dressed as women? Is there a dress code for women? The way the laws appear to be headed, anyone could go into any restroom they want to. A guy wants to hit on a woman at a bar and follows her into the restroom. A bouncer drags him out and the guy says, "I decided to be a woman this evening and you just violated by civil rights." That's obviously made up, but it's also entirely plausible. What is true, however, is that there are young people out there who literally decide whether they want to be male or female when they wake up in the morning. They dress for the school day based on their decision.

 

[marinera]

If I'm a teen boy and taking a piss and a girl walks in, yes, it would freak me out. Cmon, do you really not get that?

Why? That doesn't mean being 'innocent', that looks more like 'feeling guilty' or having irrational fears toward the opposite sex.

 

[nickinoo]

I guess having only cubicles would solve a lot of the anxiety. More expensive I expect but also more privacy. In fact they're basically separate rooms.

 

[TexanStar]

Why would they have to be dressed as women? Is there a dress code for women? The way the laws appear to be headed, anyone could go into any restroom they want to. A guy wants to hit on a woman at a bar and follows her into the restroom. A bouncer drags him out and the guy says, "I decided to be a woman this evening and you just violated by civil rights." That's obviously made up, but it's also entirely plausible.

It's not plausible, because your interpretation of the law and the direction it's going is made up.

Logically, it's called a straw man. You create a fictitious scenario that is divorced from reality, and then you tear it down.

 

[TexanStar]

There is a transgender restroom case in front of the Supreme Court right now.

The opposition is not off to a great start since they're running on a platform so hate-filled that they're denying that transgender even exists (when there's a firmly established law of the land that it does).

https://www.scribd.com/document/340234389/16-273-Letter-to-Amicus-Atty-Staver

I can't link the full article since it has a pic of a minor in it, but that's the reprimand from the Supreme Court towards the attorneys representing the state.

 

[marinera]

Let's be serious: there is no need of any law prescribing what toilette you should use neither a way to apply it. This decree is just for distracting people from other issues.

 

[185248]

WASHINGTON — President Trump on Wednesday rescinded protections for transgender students that had allowed them to use bathrooms corresponding with their gender identity, overruling his own education secretary and placing his administration firmly in the middle of the culture wars that many Republicans have tried to leave behind.

In a joint letter, the top civil rights officials from the Justice Department and the Education Department rejected the Obama administration’s position that nondiscrimination laws require schools to allow transgender students to use the bathrooms of their choice.

Trump Rescinds Protections for Transgender Students

vs.

Attorney General Lynch tells transgender community ‘we see you’
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In Trumpville "we don't see you".

Most of us here do not know what the fuck he is going on about anyway.

Just keep the little red button well identified from the flush button...ok?

 

[twoton]

It's not plausible, because your interpretation of the law and the direction it's going is made up.

Logically, it's called a straw man. You create a fictitious scenario that is divorced from reality, and then you tear it down.

That's not a strawman. It's a simple question. How is a transwoman differentiated from a man?

 

[Industrialsize]

Really? One of these is a transgender woman, one of these is a cis gender man.

 

[Klingsor]

Well, that about sums it up.

Do you disagree? If I'm made uncomfortable by black people walking around free, or women voting, or children of different races going to school together, or interracial couples marrying, or same-sex couples marrying . . . does that mean these things shouldn't be allowed, so that my right to feel comfortable is upheld?

 

[185248]

I'm not sure what the big deal is about what toilet people use. It's a fucking toilet. Just make them all unisex.

Before the toilet, there was the tree.

Wonder if there were signs indicating branch to the left, branch to the right

 

[Jjz1109]

People have used the Bible to justify slavery and sexism and racism:

God doesn't believe women should vote, as they're inferior to men in decision-making. God doesn't think interracial marriage is acceptable. God doesn't think that black/native peoples are on par with white Europeans.

Dude, where are you coming u coming up with this? Interracial marriage? Black / natives not on a par with white Europeans? What bible do you read? What church do you go to?

 

[622675]

Transgender along with other LGBTIQ issues are being debated in many countries. It might be interesting to consider what is going on in other countries where President Trump is not made the focus.

For example in Malta LGBTI couples also have trouble accessing family planning: it being punishable by a prison sentence to donate eggs and sperm. (https://euobserver.com/lgbti/137026

 

[Industrialsize]

Dude, where are you coming u coming up with this? Interracial marriage? Black / natives not on a par with white Europeans? What bible do you read? What church do you go to?

He's talking about the HISTORICAL use of the bible to justify discrimination against people of color. Now the agenda has changed and people are using the bible to justify discrimination against the LGBT community. We are not a theocracy.