Trump unmasked

[braalian]

Are you fucking illiterate? Quit making up statements. Jesus christ.

I wasn't talking to you, I was clearly responding to bulldog

 

[TexanStar]

You said that Trump had a point in calling out "both sides" in Charlottesville, and that the media and both political parties are overreacting. That, sir, is bullshit.

He called out the propagators of violence on both sides. Not both sides in and of themselves.

Do you support unprovoked violence against innocent bystanders?

 

[TexanStar]

I wasn't talking to you, I was clearly responding to bulldog

You were completely misquoting him, like you're completely misquoting me, like you're completely misquoting Trump.

You haven't made a single fucking accurate representation of something anyone has said in this whole thing. Bulldog000 can attest to the fact that I call him a troll regularly, but in this particular discussion, you're the one who's being dishonest as fuck in your arguments.

 

[braalian]

He called out the propagators of violence on both sides. Not both sides in and of themselves.

Do you support unprovoked violence against innocent bystanders?

Assembling a KKK or white supremacist rally is the definition of provocation.

The only reason he "called out the propagators on both sides" was in attempt to appease his base.no sane politician would say that. Both parties and all three branches of the military have condemned those remarks. Do you really think *all* the media, *all* the government and even *all* the fucking military are overreacting?

 

[BULLDOG00]

No, the white supremacists ARE worse than BLM or the people who showed up to protest at Charlottesville. By saying "both sides had bad guys", you're attempting to normalize the people who carried torches and chanted "blood and soil".

There's a reason almost no one agrees with you. Do you really honk you're so smart that the rest of us just don't get it? You're virtually on your own in your opinion because you are wrong.

Everyone has the right to protest peacefully, even fucking Nazi scum. ANTIFA, BLM, and other violent leftist groups showed up and engaged in violence. That is not the answer. They were just as much in the wrong as the Nazis. If you want to taken away their power let them have their pointless broke dick demonstration while we all laugh at them. So yes, the violent leftists are just as bad as the Nazis.

 

[Klingsor]

So yes, the violent leftists are just as bad as the Nazis.

I don't condone violence, but clearly that goes too far.

 

[braalian]

Everyone has the right to protest peacefully, even fucking Nazi scum. ANTIFA, BLM, and other violent leftist groups showed up and engaged in violence. That is not the answer. They were just as much in the wrong as the Nazis. If you want to taken away their power let them have their pointless broke dick demonstration while we all laugh at them. So yes, the violent leftists are just as bad as the Nazis.

First, the nazis were NOT protesting peacefully. Even the ones not engaged in physical violence were carrying torches and chanting Nazi slogans. That's not peaceful. Free speech isn't a carte blanche to say whatever hateful, muderous stuff you want.

Second, stop calling the protestors "leftists". If being opposed to Nazis and the KKK is a "leftist" activity, than the "right" is seriously fucked and on the wrong side of history.

 

[TexanStar]

Assembling a KKK or white supremacist rally is the definition of provocation.

Not in the legal context. Just because you vehemently disagree with their views does not give you the right to enact violence upon them.

The only reason he "called out the propagators on both sides" was in attempt to appease his base.no sane politician would say that. Both parties and all three branches of the military have condemned those remarks. Do you really think *all* the media, *all* the government and even *all* the fucking military are overreacting?

Yes. I think this is an establishment -vs- outsider issue, not left-vs-right. The mainstream media, congress, etc are certainly part of the establishment.

 

[braalian]

Not in the legal context. Just because you vehemently disagree with their views does not give you the right to enact violence upon them.



Yes. I think this is an establishment -vs- outsider issue, not left-vs-right.

Ok, well point me in the direction of a respectable "outsider" source that agrees with you.

 

[chrisrobin]

The Democrat Party is, and always will be the party of racism.

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TELL THAT TO TRUMP THE AVID SUPPORTER OF WHITE SUPREMACY.
WHAT ARE WHITE SUPREMACY - RACIST BIGOTED THUGISH HOOLIGANS.
Tonight when you go out with all your pals, sit round having a drink, polishing your guns and talking big just take care your redneck is on show for all to see, and, as you pass the hanging tree in your garden give it a 3 K salute!

 

[Perados]

I don't think Trump's statements show hir true political face.
He definitely isn't centre, nore centre right, but how far right he is, is still not clear.

He refuse to attack the far right, isn't able to say what they did was wrong. That their ideas are wrong, that their agressions are not acceptable. Instead of this, he refuse to give a clear answer and always points out that the left would have extreme groups as well.

But I doubt he does it because he supports their ideas and violence, but because they support HIM. He feels loyal to them, because they are loyal to him. Nothing more.
There always were rumours that Trump made deals with the a Mafia. I think it's comparable.
To his own benefits, he accepts everyone, no matter what.

 

[TexanStar]

First, the nazis were NOT protesting peacefully. Even the ones not engaged in physical violence were carrying torches and chanting Nazi slogans. That's not peaceful. Free speech isn't a carte blanche to say whatever hateful, muderous stuff you want.

What the fuck kind of understanding do you have about what the first amendment means? You can't go into a crowded theater and scream fire. You can't burn crosses outside someone's house. But you absolutely have the freedom to chant blood and soil while holding a tiki torch you bought at Home Depot.

Second, stop calling the protestors "leftists". If being opposed to Nazis and the KKK is a "leftist" activity, than the "right" is seriously fucked and on the wrong side of history.

There were a lot of different factions there.

Neo nazis.
White nationalism.
Opposition to removal of confederate statues.
Supporters of removal of confederate statues.
opposition to nazi & white nationalist movements.
etc.

If you want me to say violence from people unaffiliated with white power movements, I can, but that's more of a mouthful.

 

[DACinit]

anyone not opposed to the nazis is on the wrong side. they can't be justified in any way.

 

[StormfrontFL]

Everyone has the right to protest peacefully, even fucking Nazi scum. ANTIFA, BLM, and other violent leftist groups showed up and engaged in violence. That is not the answer. They were just as much in the wrong as the Nazis. If you want to taken away their power let them have their pointless broke dick demonstration while we all laugh at them. So yes, the violent leftists are just as bad as the Nazis.

So let me know when BLMs body count equals that of the KKK. Also a punch is not the same as being run down and killed by a car.

 

[braalian]

Well, if you want to believe Trump's comments about this whole thing make him an "outsider" against the establishment, go for it.

If I were you though, I'd take a good long look at the quality of people who agree with that position. Not exactly the cream of the crop of humanity.

 

[TexanStar]

Ok, well point me in the direction of a respectable "outsider" source that agrees with you.

Beats me. I listen to the mainstream media, but I make an effort to formulate and evaluate my own opinions and I don't judge their accuracy based on public polling numbers.

I don't follow any fringe media outlets so I couldn't tell you if there are or aren't people who agree with me.

 

[TexanStar]

Well, if you want to believe Trump's comments about this whole thing make him an "outsider" against the establishment, go for it.

If I were you though, I'd take a good long look at the quality of people who agree with that position. Not exactly the cream of the crop of humanity.

*Shrug* I'll gladly take being on the side with a few people decrying all violence than standing on the side with a lot of people who are making justifications for violence.

 

[Industrialsize]

He called out the propagators of violence on both sides. Not both sides in and of themselves.

Do you support unprovoked violence against innocent bystanders?

And who were the innocent bystanders?

 

[BULLDOG00]

And who were the innocent bystanders?

Non-violent protestors for and against Confederate statues. See my chart above.

 

[braalian]

*Shrug* I'll gladly take being on the side with a few people decrying all violence than standing on the side with a lot of people who are making justifications for violence.

When Nazis and anti-fascists clash, it is extremely foolish to say "I just deplore all violence from both sides"

This would be true even if both sides had perpetrated equal amounts of violence. Which, of course they didn't. Only one side killed.